Agreed 100% So what are the permutations (is that even a word at this time of morning..? ha) for AJ to get it on with Fury in summer or later in the year at Wembley stadium?
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It really isn't as simple as that. He'd already felt AJs power and didn't want to go gung ho to finish it and risk feeling that power again. He felt, at that moment, he'd made AJ wary and could box his way to victory.
That was my take too, as well as the take from the entire ESPN panel. His co-trainer Jay Deas said in the post fight press conference that he didn’t think the towel should’ve been thrown in by Mark Breland. And that he don’t want that. Which is utterly laughable. Has to be just trying to save face for Wilder, by creating a narrative that he could’ve carried on and won if it hadn’t been for the trainer; because to have not thrown the towel in would’ve been negligent. He would’ve been seriously hurt if that had gone on. Pretty scummy response if he actually believes that. Irresponsible in the extreme.
His co-manager also said he thought they’d fight a rematch against Fury as soon as possible. Which is just daft. He’ll lose again. They need to rebuild their fighter and get their confidence back. He has no road to victory against Fury, other than luck.
I'm not over rating Wilder at all. I've consistently said he's a very limited boxer and there's people here who will be reading this that would confirm that.
But he does have a haymaker, and if it connects on AJ I have strong suspicions it will be good night Vienna. AJ is comfortably the better boxer no doubt but most knew that long ago.
This isn't like when AJ lost, Wilder has looked second best twice against Fury. It would be career ending for Wilder, and honestly just dull to see them fight again. We know who the best is out of the two.
Wilder has to go away and sort himself, fight someone else. It wouldn't help in the long run, but it makes more sense than jumping into another fight with Tyson.
Wilder has to go away and sort himself, fight someone else. It wouldn't help in the long run, but it makes more sense than jumping into another fight with Tyson.
Wilder has 30 days to ask for the rematch I believe. But as the winner Fury gets to decide if he sanctions the fight. I don’t see why he gets back in the ring with Wilder.
Fury has said he’ll fight twice more then move to UFC. Not sure if he means it or not. But if you were him you’d want the AJ fight. He’s the better boxer, it’ll be a huge event at Wembley, and he can unfit the belts. I’m not sure that’s a fight AJ wants to take right now. He’s a big underdog. But it’s the fight we all want to see.
One thing is for sure, Fury is unpredictable. So your guess is as good as mine. I’m pretty sure he’s desperate to fight AJ though.
Agreed. But what no one is saying is that if AJ lands a big one on Wilder, that’s good night Vienna too. It’s not like AJ is short of power and has to strategically outbox him. I mean that would be the safe way. But he’s just as capable as knocking Wilder out, especially as Wilder has little defence except a decent double jab on the retreat.
Not that he even uses it well.
I mean, Wilder is known for being a brawler, and people say you don’t want to get in slugging match with him. Well Fury, who completely outboxed him last time and was robbed of the win, just came and brawled him. And destroyed him. And Fury isn’t known as a big hitter at all. Wilder can be for at, big time. Even though he’s got that big right, he’s shown has vulnerable he is. If AJ brawls him, he can definitely knock him out.
Wilder will always have the capacity to knock anyone out. But in a match up against Joshua I make Joshua the favourite. I felt that way before tonight and now I’m quite certain of it. He looked so limited tonight. Once he was properly rocked, he didn’t even look close to landing his get out of jail free card.
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We need that AJ and Fury fight asap, really hope they don't wait a long time to try and build hype for it.
I was leaning slightly towards Wilder in the AJ vs. Wilder match-up before tonight but I'm leaning much further towards AJ now.
There's a reason Wilder has been put in with such poor competition and against no big punchers. Wilder always has that right hand but If he doesn't get a KO punch in the first 3 rounds then AJ wins within 7 rounds comfortably.
There's a reason Wilder has been put in with such poor competition and against no big punchers. Wilder always has that right hand but If he doesn't get a KO punch in the first 3 rounds then AJ wins within 7 rounds comfortably.
That's true. But AJ will go into that potential bout knowing he's facing someone that has a bigger punch than him which could create doubts in his mind. AJ attempting to unload on Wilder could potentially leave him open to the big right so IMO the fight will be alot closer than most think.
Thanks. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the 30 days brings, and if that fight happens or hopefully not, then things might become clearer as to what's next.
Nice chatting to you guys anyway. Now it's time for a few hours kip as I've been up all night!
Yeah, I mean I think it’s an unpredictable fight. You have two boxers with big power, one more than the other, and two boxers who aren’t very refined, one less than the other. Plenty of unpredictability. That said, for all that AJ would have uncertainty in his mind, it’ll be more than matched by Wilder, who has to somehow recover from that absolutely mauling tonight. He was completely destroyed. If we are talking seeds of doubt, Deontay is the one with some demons to fight IMO.
Take care mate. Great night of boxing!
I know it’s a part of boxing but I wonder how it turns out had Wilder had not got his eardrum busted so early? He was certainly fecked when that happened and could barely stand up properly. Probably a Fury won anyway but maybe not as much of an asswhooping.
Exactly right. I think his camp are thinking if they don’t fight Fury again now, and somehow win, where does he go from here? If he fights someone lesser and loses again, it’s light out on his career as a serious challenger. As it is, he’s kind of in the wilderness. All people want to see now is Fury/Joshua. It’s not like tonight’s bout was a close epic. He got crushed. The reputations damage to his image of being an unstoppable force is pretty huge. He wasn’t even competitive. Hopefully Fury turns down the fight.
After the fight Jay Deas said he just had a small cut in his ear, and that he wanted his fighter to continue. At the end of the day he got the damage, which I am sure was a ruptured eardrum, not because of some clash of the heads or some such accident, but because he took a pounding from Fury. So the what if is kinda moot.
Haven't been posting in this thread since the AJ fight, but man, all my predictions about Wilder came true. 
I think the doubts in Wilder's mind were created in the first fight with the way Fury got back up after the two knock downs. AJ I don't believe has ever faced someone with such punching power so i'm sure he'll be apprehensive too in getting too close. But it'll be interested to see the outcome, if the bout ever took place.
I don’t watch a lot of fights because I’m about as casual as can be and only watched Pacquiao fights, but how often do busted eardrums happen? I’m just curious.
Fury absolutely destroyed him! That was some display. I didn't think Fury would go after him and Wilder would eventually land one of his haymakers but Fury didn't give him the chance.
Roll on the fight we've all wanted. AJ vs Tyson.
Roll on the fight we've all wanted. AJ vs Tyson.
Im not sure how often, but it happens. Even in sparring. Pacquiao ruptured an ear drum sparring. Jackson ruptured both eardrums vs Frampton. David Price ruptured one. It’s not common per se, but not unheard of, and a very real risk if you are getting clobbered in the ear. I ruptured my eardrum twice boxing. The second time because I didn’t let it heal properly from the first. And for what it’s worth, I didn’t suffer any real loss of balance. That’s not a given. It didn’t even hurt that much. Just ached a bit and my hearing was muffled for about a month. Fluid kept draining from my ear when I was sleeping and I had to take antibiotics to prevent infection. But I finished my sparring session without too much trouble, and only found out it was ruptured the next day at the doctor.
There’s different levels of rupture of course. Just like anything. I had a small hole. The amount of blood wilder had, it looked like a full rupture. Plus his jaw was all swollen. Very obviously so. Not sure if that was from the eardrum or just the blow.
Gutted I had Fury winning by KO in the 6th.
Guess it will now be full steam ahead AJ vs Fury and Wilder probably fade out as the guys he’s been ducking all these years in Whyte and Parker I think would beat him easily.
Wonder if he made more money over the two Fury fights than what he was offered for one AJ fight.
Guess it will now be full steam ahead AJ vs Fury and Wilder probably fade out as the guys he’s been ducking all these years in Whyte and Parker I think would beat him easily.
Wonder if he made more money over the two Fury fights than what he was offered for one AJ fight.
Haven't been posting in this thread since the AJ fight, but man, all my predictions about Wilder came true.
We’re in the same camp there. I stayed quiet here for a long time, and was pretty annoyed after the judges robbed Fury last time. Always backed Wilder as a scrub. Other than his knockout power on that overhand right, just didn’t rate him at all. And we saw tonight how deficient his technique and boxing IQ is. Incredibly one dimensional. I’m thrilled about what I just saw. Fury did exactly what I hoped he would.
He's been ducking Whyte for good reason. Was always certain Whyte would give him fits with his style, aggression and nerve. Definitely not a fight his camp goes near.
Wilder can hope on the rematch, but it's a terrible option to take and one that would end him as a consideration at the top end of the division.
Funnily enough, I think his camp thought they could beat Fury on his comeback. No one knew what to expect. They got lucky with the judges. The rematch was due to be lucrative, especially after Joshua lost to Ruiz. He had a chance to become top dog in the division. They wildly over estimated his ability. He’s never fought anyone of note. Bad time to start against Fury. It like thrashing everyone in the championship and then thinking you can beat Barcelona, only to get hammered 7-0.
I thought that Anthony Joshua should beat Fury easily based on that performance.
It's a travesty really that Wilder held onto the belt for so long by just beating up bums.
And it’s funny because people are shit talking Joshua, but the two fighters Wilder has been ducking, Whyte and Parker, Joshua has already beaten. Along with Ruiz and Klitschko. Wilder has knock out power but he has zero fight pedigree. His only reputable bouts are against Fury, both which he comprehensively lost (dodgy judging aside).
If he’s going to recover from this he needs to take some tough bouts and win them.
The post-fight comments after the fact are pretty funny.
Say what?
I think most people, whether pro or anti Wilder, have been pretty consistent in their opinions. Haven’t seen much flip flopping. Only unknown was Fury. Had him as a favourite, but the noises about him not taking training seriously were pretty concerning. Guess we shouldn’t have worried.
And he’s a United Boy!
Styles make fights, though, and what is good vs one fighter might be the end vs another. There are fighters camps keep their man away from for as long as possible for good reason and the elements of risk-reward are then factored in.
Wilder has a poor CV for sure, but is arguably the hardest puncher the sport has ever seen pound for pound with the likes of Julian Jackson and that as well as his length and unpredictability are always going to be potent factors in this era of HW boxing.
In the 90s, he wouldn't have cracked top 10, but that was then, this is now - a very different story with only one true boxer in amongst the rest who are reliant on size and power over skill.
Vitali would look silly.
Pre-bout ‘Tyson has hands like pillows’ came back to haunt him, absolutely battered him and showed him up as a 1 trick pony that he is.
I hope they have a III match up as Wilder would need to retire afterwards.
Absolutely knackered, now have to drive to our match 
Why? I don't know how anyone can watch the majority of Fury fights and think AJ will beat him easily.
Fair comment, but what’s the point in all that power of you can’t actually box? Wilder has grabbed all this attention and reputation - the best knock out percentage in HW history - by fighting bums. He’s ducked anyone and everyone of note until he fought Fury, where he lost 17 of 19 rounds, and got utterly destroyed in the last fight. In fact, his one and only way to beat Fury, his fabled and unrivalled power, even failed him. He floored Fury in the first fight, but Tyson got right back up. It’s not like it was some unanswerable, fight ending power. Fury got back up and by every reasonable measure won that fight.
So to be perfectly frank, there is little to currently take seriously about Wilder until he actually beats someone of any real quality. Even his status as the most powerful pound for pound puncher. He’s not knocked anyone out who has any sort of pedigree. Not one.
The only way to change that is to actually fight some real fights. Until then it’s more mythology than reality.
AJs knockout power is underrated. He's a fecking huge guy and it's light out if he gets a good look at you.