It's low reward in terms of losing a fight to guy who isn't a big name world wide. But it's probably Amir's biggest possible payday. Would make £3m-£5m I reckon, more than he would being the B-side against May or Pac.
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I like watching Amir but wouldn't it be funny if Khan was pining for Floyd and Manny all this time, wouldn't give Brook the fight when he was bigger and with the belts, even with them sat on Ringside show next to each other talking it up, then Brook comes in and gets a fight with them and Amir has to watch. Probably won't go down that way but as the commentator said, Brook has the only belt in the division that won't be on the line May 2nd!!
Superb performance from Brook.
I expect Rios to be the opponent however. Khan could jump to the chance of a title but I feel he'll play up to the bait without taking it. He's a credible opponent for Floyd and Pacquiao after their contest, if no rematch of course, also. Just feel the stakes are too high to risk it yet. As for Rios, he's essentially a 12 round punching bag with limited output. A perfect tune up contest that Brook should coast through and given Pacquiao fought him, gives credibility to that fight too.
In short, Brook and Khan would be a great contest but given the mandatory defence is out of the way, I think both men will play safe and do bare minimum to ride into the post May-Pac fight era as contenders for either man.
I expect Rios to be the opponent however. Khan could jump to the chance of a title but I feel he'll play up to the bait without taking it. He's a credible opponent for Floyd and Pacquiao after their contest, if no rematch of course, also. Just feel the stakes are too high to risk it yet. As for Rios, he's essentially a 12 round punching bag with limited output. A perfect tune up contest that Brook should coast through and given Pacquiao fought him, gives credibility to that fight too.
In short, Brook and Khan would be a great contest but given the mandatory defence is out of the way, I think both men will play safe and do bare minimum to ride into the post May-Pac fight era as contenders for either man.
I think Rios is a tough fight for most welterweights. He pressures better than Porter IMO.
Hilarious as that would be, I don't think Brook will ever share a ring with Mayweather or Pacquiao. He's just not a big enough name, and the quality of his opponents have been substandard.
I think a safety-first Khan beats Brook, and convincingly.
PS. What a bitter lemon Froch is
- it still irks him that he was never the household name that Khan is, despite his stellar career.Oh I agree for MOST WW. Brook, Khan, Thurman are above his level though - let alone Pac and May.
Would love to see Rios in wth Guerrero for a competitive fight but I can imagine that he'll be brought in for title fodder. Nor would I put any blame on Khan or Brook to follow my predictions if they do either, I would play safe in their shoes also.
I think it'd be very competitive.
I'm still not sure if I rank Brook as a tier 2 WW. Floyd and Manny are above the rest. Then I'd have Khan, Thurman, Bradley and Maidana. Then Brook, Chaves, Rios, Marquez and Guerrero. Brook's definitely the best of that lot, but I'm still not totally convinced by him.
Can see your logic there. I think Brook has generally been matched very well by Matchroom.
If I was Hearn and Brook, considering Porter is the only higher calibre test he's had, I'd put all my eggs into chancing a contest with May or Pac. A loss to either man is absolutely no disgrace. The fall back is always the Khan contest domestically or any of the names you've said plus Broner and a clear slot on tier 2. And about £10m payday minimum with UK tv rights and PPV shares etc. A win against May or Pac and well, that's a golden ticket to the hall of fame and a knighthood. Hell may as well retire on that ultimate high. It won't get better than that in boxing. Ever.
Looked like an amateur. Can't believe he was the mandatory. I don't think Brook could believe it!
Starting to think Brook could KO Khan....
Brook would get destroyed by Khan. Khan has fought and beat fighters of a much higher calibre than Brook ie Devon Alexander, Maidana, Judah. He's got nothing to really gain by fighting a nobody name (which let's face it, Kell Brook is).
Brook beat Porter who beat Alexander?! Maidana isn't a great fighter by any stretch of the imagination and Judah was long past his best when Khan beat him.
Brook - Khan is an interesting fight for me. Khan is more athletically gifted but Brook is a quality boxer puncher and those types of fighters are always going to be live against Khan.
Chris Algieri up next for Kahn, for all of his talk the last few days about Brook needing to fight a bigger opponent so as to fight him he ends up with this, but then knowing kahn he will get sparked by him.
Only seen Algieri fight against Manny and going by that, I can't say that this is a fight that interests me. Khan should win this fairly easily and then start running his mouth again about how great he is. I've never liked the cnut.
Bullshit fight.
Algieri's only notable win was against Provodnikov, and he barely squeaked past there after suffering two knockdowns in the opening rounds. He's no where near an 'A-class' fighter like Amir claims him to be.
Disappointed with Khan for cherry-picking Algieri. Broner, Cotto, Brook were all better options. Garcia and Peterson are fighting soon within the next couple of weeks I believe. Fighting the winner of those would have also increased his reputation as he could've avenged one of his three defeats.
Algieri's only notable win was against Provodnikov, and he barely squeaked past there after suffering two knockdowns in the opening rounds. He's no where near an 'A-class' fighter like Amir claims him to be.
Disappointed with Khan for cherry-picking Algieri. Broner, Cotto, Brook were all better options. Garcia and Peterson are fighting soon within the next couple of weeks I believe. Fighting the winner of those would have also increased his reputation as he could've avenged one of his three defeats.
I rate Algieri but it should be a comfy night for Khan.
Exactly, the only reason Pac went for him was the belt, its a nothing fight for Kahn, he's in a lose lose situation now, ie bad performance he loses even if he wins, if he has a good fight he is expected to beat him and then if he loses
, game over.Algieri is EASILY better than Broner. They have a common opponent, Algieri dealt with Emmanual Taylor with far more ease than Broner.
I am not sure why you would expect Khan to do anything different. It is actually smart matchmaking if you understand the game. Should Khan stop Algieri (entirely possible) then when the dust settles after Mayweather - Pacquiao; if Pacquiao wins he can say 'I did to Algieri what you couldn't' or he can say to Mayweather 'look what I did to Algieri, Pacquiao couldn't do that'. The biggest fight for Khan is the winner of those two and that is what he is perusing.
Exactly, the only reason Pac went for him was the belt, its a nothing fight for Kahn, he's in a lose lose situation now, ie bad performance he loses even if he wins, if he has a good fight he is expected to beat him and then if he loses
Yep, you've hit the nail on the head.
The fight does absolutely does nothing for Khan. Even if he wins but fails to win convincingly (which is what I think will happen), I think his ranking will actually go down.
I personally think Algieri beats Brook. Khan is just a bad match for Algieri cause no one outboxes Khan.
You do realise that Al Haymon controls Khan?
Ideally Haymon will want a controversial win or a close exciting fight with Mayweather and Pacquiao, a rematch is the dream ticket, a trilogy would be the ultimate of course. Failing that I am pretty sure that they would like to do the Khan fight. Remember that both Khan and Mayweather are controlled by Haymon. Khan has a name in America, brings big cash from the UK and Mayweather will be confident of beating him.
Khan is on a good run at the moment and they don't want to risk that. Aliegri is perfect, he has little chance of winning, he has a name and if Khan can stop him then he has that over Pacquiao.
Ideally Haymon will want a controversial win or a close exciting fight with Mayweather and Pacquiao, a rematch is the dream ticket, a trilogy would be the ultimate of course. Failing that I am pretty sure that they would like to do the Khan fight. Remember that both Khan and Mayweather are controlled by Haymon. Khan has a name in America, brings big cash from the UK and Mayweather will be confident of beating him.
Khan is on a good run at the moment and they don't want to risk that. Aliegri is perfect, he has little chance of winning, he has a name and if Khan can stop him then he has that over Pacquiao.
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Khan wants no part of Brook, at least for now. The experts tell me that Amir is kryptonite for boxers rather than brawlers. If that's the case I can see why he's ostensibly avoiding Brook.
What have Thurman and Maidana done to be considered a tier above an all time great like Marquez? Marquez is still formidable and only narrowly lost to Bradley, the clear number 3 in the division. Thurman best name is Guerrero and Maidana's is the hype job Broner at a weight Broner clearly cannot fight at.
Brook needs to fight some top fighters before he runs his mouth. Who's he fought? Shaun Porter, that's about it. He's took an easy root to the top and isn't on Khan's level yet. Why isn't he looking to fight people like Maidana, Peterson, Garcia etc. Because he wants his big pay day before it's too late.
Unsure where to place Marquez because of his knee injury. Six months ago, I would have him as Tier 2. Thurman has another very good name on his record, and that is Diego Chaves, who was beating Brandon Rios before he got DQ'd, and fought Bradley to a very close fight. It's also the manner of Thurman's win, he KO'd Chaves and won every round vs Guerrero. Maidana's best win at 47 is Broner, but he also gave Floyd the toughest/closest fight of his career (I scored it a closer than the first Castillo fight by a round). Maidana's undoubtedly the best pressure fighter in the division. But in my rankings, I'm not just going of resumes, it's more to do with how I rate their skills.
Rios has heart and a good chin but very little besides that, he's an incredibly limited fighter and has hit his ceiling. The Chaves Bradley fight got my vote as the most laughable decision of last year, no way in hell was that even close to being a draw. Chaves is nothing special, he fouled a huge amount in both fights and was rightly disqualified in the Rios fight. I would not consider him "a very good name".
Maidana put up a decent showing against Mayweather, he roughed him up a bit but he didn't come as close to beating him as Castillo did, I genuinely think you can make a reasonable argument that Castillo won that fight. Oscar DLH arguably got a draw as well. Let's remember that before Maidana beat Broner he had been very underwhelming, the guy lost practically every round against Devon Alexander a few years ago.
My opinion is that when his knee has healed Marquez beats everyone at Welter below Mayweather, Pacquiao and Bradley. He even has a puncher's chance to beat those three (as evidenced by his last fight v Pacquiao).
Very impressive and comfortable win for Stevenson.
Looking forward to the Joshua fight.
Looking forward to the Joshua fight.
This is the second time that I have seen Beterbiev, definitely one to watch!
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Very impressive. A lot of people favour Kovalev but anyone with the hand speed and power of Stevenson is a challenge for any fighter.
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Joshua is at least keeping his hands up better but that lack of head movement might cost him at the very highest level.
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Very impressive. A lot of people favour Kovalev but anyone with the hand speed and power of Stevenson is a challenge for any fighter.
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I'm a keen admirer of boxing, but never really have anyone I can get behind. Joshua though is different, I hope he makes it at the highest level, he always comes across well outside of the ring, as well as in it.
Joshua should be a top boxer alright but needs to stop punching opponents when their already on their knees.
Thought sky made too much of a deal of that. It's better to have a ruthless streak and keep swinging until the ref intervenes than not. Protect yourself at all times, like Mayweather vs Ortiz. Better to be clinical and finish it when the opportunity presents itself than not.
Joshua is carrying a suspicious amount of lean body mass for somebody who doesn't even dedicate himself to bodybuilding. If you look at his weight/height and estimate his bodyfat percentage, his lean BMI is higher than those of the world's elite natural bodybuilders...funny that.
Big night of action Stateside.
Lucas Matthysse edging a close but clear majority decision win over fellow slugger Ruslan Provodnikov. Highlights below:
Julio Cesar Chavez jr got dropped in the 9th, for the first time in his career by Andrzej Fonfara and retired on his stool before the 10th. Knockdown below:
And lastly, Terence Crawford, who some may remember for schooling Ricky Burns' lightweight belt off him, stepped up to super lightweight / light welterweight (Amir Khan's former weight) to take the belt that Chris Algieiri (Khan's next opponent) vacated when he decided to fight Manny Pacquiao at welterweight over defending that strap. Highlights below:
Lucas Matthysse edging a close but clear majority decision win over fellow slugger Ruslan Provodnikov. Highlights below:
Julio Cesar Chavez jr got dropped in the 9th, for the first time in his career by Andrzej Fonfara and retired on his stool before the 10th. Knockdown below:
And lastly, Terence Crawford, who some may remember for schooling Ricky Burns' lightweight belt off him, stepped up to super lightweight / light welterweight (Amir Khan's former weight) to take the belt that Chris Algieiri (Khan's next opponent) vacated when he decided to fight Manny Pacquiao at welterweight over defending that strap. Highlights below:
So disappointed in Chavez Jr
So is Carl Froch. That pretty much confirmed his retirement. Missed his chance to do the same. Can't see why he'd entertain a second loss to Ward now.
Terrence Crawford looks really impressive and already has Burns and Gamboa on his list of victims.
Chavez Jr I'm not surprised by at all; too much machismo, too little brains and has always been a terrible trainer then to pick Fonfara after a year out was just plain stupid, even his father had reservations before hand.
Chavez Jr I'm not surprised by at all; too much machismo, too little brains and has always been a terrible trainer then to pick Fonfara after a year out was just plain stupid, even his father had reservations before hand.
Bad news for Froch. That is his big money cakewalk in Vegas down the pan.