You’re not alone. I found it an eyesore, which is weird because Wright always wear a hat but it never stood out to me.
The Overlap | Fan Debate Christmas Special
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Enjoyed that. Cole always comes across really well and I miss watching him play. Great player
Is it fairly accurate to say that Cole was very good at getting chances, but also needed those "extra chances" and that is why despite solid numbers you always hear about him being a bit wasteful?
This is probably my favourite podcast. Sadly wrapping up next week although one of the hosts ( Chris Scull) is going to do a 00’s equivalent, funniest I’ve ever found Josh Widdicombe. The critical analysis of the Steve Bruce penned football manager/detective books are brilliant.
Mad really as I used to hate him as a player, but he’s a sound guy and a great pundit
Really liked his comments on Hojlund. Hopefully Rasmus was listening and can take the advice on board as I completely agree with what Cole said.
Yeah I agree. Luckily it will stay up though, will certainly listen to the new one too.
Did you ever pay for patron? I am tempted as I never have.
Did they ask him about how he got on with Cantona?
I can't believe how I never watched this before, such a good show
I can't believe how I never watched this before, such a good show
I couldn’t find it on patreon. I think they’re now exclusive to another slice which I don’t want to sign up for just for this as I’ve listened to all the episodes anyway. I think there is probably only about ten episodes max that haven’t been uploaded for free.
If the new podcast is good I may be tempted as i think they said you get access to the back log of this and I will probably cycle back through them at some point.
It's on another slice(?).
It has its place but does get a bit wearing hearing it the whole time.
We get it, everyone had a great attitude and won loads.
We know it, we don't need to keep hearing it every week.
Roy is brilliant on this, can tell he adores his teammates
It's hard to say. When you look at Cole's goals, they are so vast in terms of array of finishes that it might be fairer to say he didn't hone any one manner or area of the pitch to score in - he didn't come alive just here or there, like so many other strikers, rather, he made something out of very little very, very often and made situations that weren't live for others his personal playground, which is why he's revered for his movement and creating chances that literally weren't on for most other forwards. I feel that strikers who can make something out of nothing also earn the right to miss, more so than when the ball is put on a plate and is flubbed.
He might mirror Cavani in some ways in that Cavani had the insane, clinical, goalscoring run at Napoli (see Newcastle) before rounding out at bigger clubs with off the ball running that was on a different level to others were he became a bit of a meme for his misses despite it being his literal best in the world movement generating the scoring opportunity in the first place. Both players had a massive range of shot selections, instead of signature finishes and that might be seen as detrimental because they weren't particularly primed for that sniper-like finishing others had through repetition of the same actions game after game after game. Both proved at their stepping stone clubs that they could be just as clinical as others, but the scope of their game at the bigger clubs was decidedly more than that of other forwards so finishing in and of itself took a hit.
Cole said himself that he would work to be what his teams needed him to be and would follow the instruction of his manager and I think if SAF had wanted him to remain a lethal penalty box forward that he came to the club as, there'd never have been any talk about his profligacy in front of goal because it wouldn't have been a thing, but working on so much more than what he was as that pure, box-striker, affected his finishing because he was not running the same repetitious drills like he had become accustomed to at his former club.
You don't get off the ball running to that pedigree alongside supreme finishing in strikers very often, in fact, it's more moving into the all-time realm rather than the simply world class - if Cole had that insane movement to go with insane finishing, he'd be compared to the likes of Van Basten or Romario, not peers of the PL.
Its awkward when they talk about Giggs.
Enjoyed that. Cole was an excellent striker, he scored the goal that won the league in 99, every bit as important as Ole's CL final goal.
Still calls Roy skip, shows the respect between the two.
Still calls Roy skip, shows the respect between the two.
"honestly? Are you now always honest or something"
I love how Keane finds fault in everything
To go with the above
As Henry references signature repetition by finding his favourite spot to shape up and finish from, but for someone like Cole, who was always in flow, it's a lot harder to have signature finishes to work on because he played on instinct and opportunism.
It's good there wasnt social media back then he would've been destroyed in his first couple of years at United.
It was tough for him. I remember him being a bit of a joke figure and was disrespected left, right and centre by the ABU media and even by some of our own fans. Many blamed him for us losing the league in 1995.
Thankfully through a bit of luck and strength of character he came through it.
It was in Spring 1997 he started to look the business.
Peak Cole was 1998 to 2000 IMO was one of the best CF's in Europe.
Loved watching him roll and spin off defenders before playing someone in or getting a shot off. His link-up play and workrate was underrated. A livewire of a player.
It was tough for him. I remember him being a bit of a joke figure and was disrespected left, right and centre by the ABU media and even by some of our own fans. Many blamed him for us losing the league in 1995.
Thankfully through a bit of luck and strength of character he came through it.
It was in Spring 1997 he started to look the business.
Peak Cole was 1998 to 2000 IMO was one of the best CF's in Europe.
Loved watching him roll and spin off defenders before playing someone in or getting a shot off. His link-up play and workrate was underrated. A livewire of a player.
No guest today.
If i got interrupted as much as Ornstein got, i'd hang up instantly. Just screaming names like 5y olds
Keane is so bitter. 
Keane is so bitter.
Keane unable to comprehend people still have a lot of respect for Sir Alex.
Keane is so bitter.
Keane tries to hard now. Getting boring, Ferguson living rent free in his head. He probably doesn't even have a send thought about Keane.
If i got interrupted as much as Ornstein got, i'd hang up instantly. Just screaming names like 5y olds
That was very weird.
Especially the lads like Neville that have known him since they were kids. Beckham still calls him boss to this day.
Carragher pissing me off, constantly moving the goalposts for best league managers so he can put Klopp higher, then trying to undermine Fergie's achievements and trying to put Pep higher while ignoring charges and comparing it to United's spending.
It was a strange episode I thought, felt like none of them wanted to be there and they just wanted to get it out. Carragher on that stuff was nonsense, all of them being outraged Henderson wasn't in, Keane being weird about SAF (more than usual) etc.
He's been spouting a lot of nonsense lately.
I was thinking this the other day, I would love to see SAF on the overlap. He did a really good interview with Neville a few years ago when he was promoting his documentary and I could see him getting on well with Wright and he would shut Carragher's shite down in a heartbeat. I reckon he would do it if asked. They could just ask Keane to skip that episode.
Even if things ended amicably between the two of them, I doubt Keane would refer to Ferguson as 'boss' once their professional association ended. Ferguson was a father figure to the class of 92 but I doubt Keane saw him in that light even when the two of them had a decent relationship. .
They're footballers. Not football experts. This latest episode had my head fecking spinning. They're so wrapped up in the world of "money rules all" that they cant find any perspective that if it wasnt for cheating, Pep hasnt got the resources to win these titles. Carragher talks as if lies are facts. "Ferguson spent more than anyone." What evidence is he proving here?
Honestly, football seems to be the only form of entertainment where you can spout this amount of shit unchallenged. Roy Keane cant accept another opinion or he goes off it.
Honestly, football seems to be the only form of entertainment where you can spout this amount of shit unchallenged. Roy Keane cant accept another opinion or he goes off it.
Keane and Ferguson's relationship was absolutely solid for years. In fact, its probably more or a father/son in the literal sense than the Class of 92. With the Class of 92, they feared him and he gave them a career. With Keane, he looked for advice for Fergie after he walked out on Ireland, looked for protection from Ferguson when he got sent off time and time again and thought he could get away with anything because SAF had his back.
Keane got arrested the week of the Treble winning season and Fergie had to bail him out. The biggest week of his career. Yes it went sour in the end, but the amount of protection Ferguson gave Keane throughout his time here was vast. Keane seems to forget this.
I use to actually like listening to Carragher, but he has lost the plot. Comes out with so much nonsense. He reminds me of a kid in the playground shouting about how the team he supports is the greatest ever and then gets aggressive when you actually tell him the truth. A proper prick nowadays!
Love the show but they were very weird on the latest one. This bit all shouting names out and Ornstein couldn't get a word in, then interrogating him about why Henderson wasn't going. He didn't make the decision ffs
Keane was over the top too with the SAF bit. Even Wrighty said he calls his old managers Gaffer as it's a mark of respect.
Carragher...he's getting worse and worse. The nonsense he spouts to big up Liverpool and shut down United...dearie me.
Completely agree, felt like they recorded it after having a heavy sesh.Love the show but they were very weird on the latest one. This bit all shouting names out and Ornstein couldn't get a word in, then interrogating him about why Henderson wasn't going. He didn't make the decision ffs
Keane was over the top too with the SAF bit. Even Wrighty said he calls his old managers Gaffer as it's a mark of respect.
Carragher...he's getting worse and worse. The nonsense he spouts to big up Liverpool and shut down United...dearie me.
Anyone else prefer therestisfootball?
Keane is so bitter.
Wtf is Keane on about? I see my U10 to U14 coach from from time to time and still call him coach 15 years on. It's respect but GNev is right, you call someone one thing for many years, you're going to be calling them that for the rest of their lives.
Looking forward to the full episode when it’s released. Rooney is always an engaging listen. Top quality content once again.
Yep, listen to that every week.
This is nice to hear from the United guys here and there, but most of their stuff can be put down to, everyone worked hard, there were standards, yep we get it.
Fergie vs Pep is easy.
Put Fergie in charge of this City team working with their owners for the decade, and he'd have won 7 or 8 titles, with a Champions League or 2 as well.
Put Pep in charge of United working for the Glazers for 05 to 13 like Fergie did, and he would struggle to win a title. And he would have walked when not getting exactly what he wanted in transfers.
Fergie won 5 titles and a Champions league working under the worst owners in the league and constantly having to use the "No value in the market" nonsense when they refused to buy.
He had to shop around for bargains like Evra, Vidic, VDS, Park, Valencia, etc.
Look at how awful United have been the second he left. He did what no other manager in the world is capable of and keep United dominant under the Glazers.
Put Fergie in charge of this City team working with their owners for the decade, and he'd have won 7 or 8 titles, with a Champions League or 2 as well.
Put Pep in charge of United working for the Glazers for 05 to 13 like Fergie did, and he would struggle to win a title. And he would have walked when not getting exactly what he wanted in transfers.
Fergie won 5 titles and a Champions league working under the worst owners in the league and constantly having to use the "No value in the market" nonsense when they refused to buy.
He had to shop around for bargains like Evra, Vidic, VDS, Park, Valencia, etc.
Look at how awful United have been the second he left. He did what no other manager in the world is capable of and keep United dominant under the Glazers.