The negativity is unreal | Nevermind

It's the pressure and realization we're a long way off. We had the same with Jose coming second and not playing the best, the fans and media wouldn't let it go and Jose really struggled with the comparisons.

Here we are again in a similar spot with even more high level competition, we've got to a certain point and we don't have enough to make the big final step of playing well and amassing ~90 points which I think go hand in hand.

We spend a lot of money and come up short, there's more talk of spending big again with Rice but the biggest flaw in the last 10 years is the managers/coaching. Two past it and two not good enough. It's been a good recovery for United but we should be challenging as a club with how much we spend. We're on course to finish no higher than 4th with Liverpool and Chelsea back.

United would need a fall off around them to challenge.
 
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TrueRed79 said:
Some of the abuse thrown at him around here is downright embarrassing. Plastic, glory hunting cnuts. The reality is it does look like he has taken us as far as he can at this point. I have said it many times that i hope he turns it around, but sometimes the facts stare you straight in the face and you have to accept it. I don't think he will be sacked anytime soon, so people need to chill, but i think he has hit his ceiling three years in, it's obvious. Your points are valid though OP.
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I guess it depends on whether you think fans voicing their displeasure matters with regards to Ole getting sacked.

Does Twitter trending #oleout or fans calling talk sport influence the board? Does the half time booing at the ground mid week?

It probably only has a small impact but I still feel this season can be saved if we sack the manager. It doesn’t mean I don’t respect Ole’s work or still love the guy.

By the way I’ve seen it said many times he still has the support of match going fans. I don’t buy that. Yes, they don’t chant or wave Oleout banners. But that’s because they want to support the team. I’ve been to a game this season and sung my head off. I still want Ole to be fired.
 
Ole has done some really good things, he deserves tremendous credit for so many decisions based in common sense.

The problem is, if you truly believe 100% that he is not good enough at coaching to have us compete for the league or win major trophies, it is hard. It is hard to be supportive of something that you feel (rightly or wrongly) will end in failure and disappointment. Then add in that we are now being regularly outplayed and relying on individual brilliance or set pieces to steal results.

It is subjective of course but he will have done his legacy no harm in my eyes when he leaves. I just feel that this is only heading one direction now.
 
I don’t think it’s so much that people don’t credit Ole for what he HAS done and it’s more people realise what Ole can NOT do, has Ole turned the culture and feeling of the club around ? Yes definitely but can Ole take us back to winning trophies on a consistent basis ? The answer I’m afraid is a resounding no.

Personally I love Ole the man and Ole the player but Ole the head coach isn’t good enough and won’t ever be, there’s a reason he’s only managed at the level of Molde and Cardiff as well as our reserves and after United I’d be massively surprised if Ole got a job at anything more than a mid table to low level club.

I’ve always believed that Ole would have been perfect as our Head Of Recruitment or Director Of Football as he knows where we need to improve and the type of characters needed in the club BUT unfortunately Ole himself isn’t anywhere near good enough to coach them, the ideal situation would have been a couple of years ago with Ole being moved upstairs to Head Of Recruitment as a thank you for his caretaker run and Pochettino coming in as head coach.
 
Acquire Me said:
- He has built a fantastic team
- He has created good values and got rid of a very toxic environment.
- He got rid of players clearly not making the cut.
- He promoted youth into our first team.
- He started a process that imo has been excellent overall.
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- He was given far more investment then every manager before him. He also spent around 200m in a defence that cannot keep a clean sheet. 130m of which were spent on Maguire and AWB. How is that value for money?

- Mou was pure poison so any one replacing him was going to enjoy an improvement on that. I can't see how Mates FC is good values

- And he spent 145m on Maguire, AWB and James. Then he went on spending around 50m-60m on 3 players he never ever play

- Greenwood is the only first teamer he promoted and he's a generational talent

- You mean Mates FC? Spending his way out of every mess?

Ole's only feather in his cap is that he hasn't lost the dressing room
 
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I don’t get what foundations he would have laid. He spends the GDP of small Caribbean islands on players he demonstrably hasn’t a fecking clue what to do with

He buys players he doesn’t want and we need to hope the next manager does.

“Foundations” and “progress” are two words that in the context of his management of the club are now totally meaningless
 
Asking people on an anonymous forum on the internet to be mature and level-headed? Don't expect much.. The renewed belief and expectations surrounding the club now is a lot down to the work Ole and co has put in. He/they may not be the right man to get us all the way, but the OTT negativity should stop.
 
VP89 said:
He was alright for a while but has clearly not been up to the standard for a long while now. The longer he stays the more negative the mindset will be among fans and that's not abnormal.
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MORE negative?!

Looking at the threads created in the last month, I think there’s only blaming him for WW2 or Covid left.

This op doesn’t say no one can’t be negative or no United fan shouldn’t expect trophies over a few years period, it‘s about balance.. some praise for the positive, some criticism for the negative. Some of these threads are OTT .… a mix of childish posts, vitriol and #individualbrilliance.

Personally, I think he did a very good job clearing out players, getting good replacements, bringing some youth in (some turned into first steamers), man managing some players (Shaw especially) but I’m not convinced he can take us up another level. I hope he does but if he doesn’t, we move on.
 
Sorry but this idea that he's built a fantastic team is bullshite.
What has that team won?
How is the team currently playing?
Is the team playing well together?
Is the team deserving to win most games they play?
Which of his signings have been a success, half of them he doesn't know what the feck to do with, the other half are underperforming.



On paper the team is the strongest we've had in years, on the field it's hardly anything special.

Chelsea,City,Liverpool are miles ahead on the field, on paper the difference isn't significant.
Coaches are the difference.
 
The credit he gets for building this great on paper is a bit weird to me when I look at all the funds he's had available to do that.
True credit is if he gets this squad to play consistently a brand of football
 
The problem is that every opponent we face, against us plays like Barcelona under Guardiola

Jarrod Bowen looked like Luis Figo
Danjuma Ronalidinho
Daka Benzema
 
arnie_ni said:
I technically am looking at his overall work, the performances on the pitch haven't improved and we rely too much on individual brilliance, mainly from Bruno.

Hes spent how much on defenders and we haven't kept a clean sheet in 20 odd games?

Hes built a good squad but hasn't bought a CM.

I could go on.... he's taken us as far as he can I think.
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Not disputing anything you've said. Agree with it. Just for me, not saying it's you, but fans don't need to be toxic.

You last line should sum it up nicely...he has taken us far as he can. That's it.
 
Wanting to view the world via the good things he's done is just as bad as looking at the negatives.

So let's be objective shall we.

The man has done well in getting things settled behind the scenes. This is true and he should rightly be praised.

Football wise, which is the bread and butter, it's been poor and appears to be getting worse. That's his main job and he's not done nor does he look like doing his main job. Win titles and trophies.

Lose today and the PL is gone but its probably gone anyway by now

So I think he's not the man to take us back to the top so he has to go unless somehow he wins the CL. I don't think the FA cup is enough

Sack him now or at the end of the season is the only question for me. Probably leave him there until the end of the season and only leave him in place if he wins a major title which is highly unlikely

Will always be a legend
 
Acquire Me said:
I have been a so called "Ole in" and I support our manager and players. Ole has done a lot of right things to build us up after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho.

He deserves credit for what he has done so far. I still stand behind him and our team. His in charge and I still hope he can find his and our teams way to become what we all know the can be.

I have serious doubts though, he might not have that "last bit" in him to guide us to become great. If we could get someone like Erik ten Hag now, I would take him. No doubt about it.

That said, why all the crazy negativity about him that just not make sense?

- He has built a fantastic team
- He has created good values and got rid of a very toxic environment.
- He got rid of players clearly not making the cut.
- He promoted youth into our first team.
- He started a process that imo has been excellent overall.

He has not been perfect all along, but no one are. He might not be the one in the end that brings glory back. But the man taking over will inherit something really good to work on.

So, why all the negativity on him. Even on him as player and legend. I find that extremely disgraceful.
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Because world and society are full of hate. That reflects on forum to.

Those who yell sack after every lost point are those who did the same when We had Ferguson, vanGaal, Mourinho and now Solskjaer. Generation of quick fix playing to much FIFA.
Is Solskjaer the one who will take us to titles? Nobody knows. We now that We have made progress and this year will be his make it or not season now that he have built the squad. For me, inbalanced but We will be there fighting for trophies.
 
90 + 5min said:
Because world and society are full of hate. That reflects on forum to.

Those who yell sack after every lost point are those who did the same when We had Ferguson, vanGaal, Mourinho and now Solskjaer. Generation of quick fix playing to much FIFA.
Is Solskjaer the one who will take us to titles? Nobody knows. We now that We have made progress and this year will be his make it or not season now that he have built the squad. For me, inbalanced but We will be there fighting for trophies.
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This. Absolutely this.
 
I think the OP will find that majority of the fans actually agree with him/her. I don't know if negativity is the right word. We agree he's done his remit well, and will always be a United legend. Just go to OT and hear the ever passionate Ole chants. We also agree he hasn't got what it takes to take us to the next level. It's all obvious really. The incessant debates do my head in. The criticism is deserved, unless you don't believe this squad should be doing better and challenging for the league this year.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Some of my frustrations towards Solskjaer stem from the fact that our board have a history of being passive, reactive, never having a plan and always seem to have a habit of making a correct decision much later than it should have been.

Chelsea sacked Lampard at the correct moment and haven’t looked back since Tuchel came in
Liverpool dumped Rodgers to get Klopp and certainly haven’t looked back since.

We sacked Moyes only after Top 4 wasnt attainable. We probably should have sacked LVG around Xmas 2015/January 2016. We should have parted ways with Jose in Summer 2018 if we weren’t going to back him in the transfer market.

So I‘m leaning towards them being passive once again. I think the majority of fans now at the very least, have second thoughts about Solskjaer being the guy to take us forward.
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Well, Klopp had 4 trophyless season before winning. People love to forget that.
Chelsea had about 50 managers last 15 years. Not really that great. Winning some trophies but changing managers often is never a good thing.
 
Acquire Me said:
- He has built a fantastic team
- He has created good values and got rid of a very toxic environment.
- He got rid of players clearly not making the cut.
- He promoted youth into our first team.
- He started a process that imo has been excellent overall.
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Literally none of this is true. Saying we have a fantastic team is laughable.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
We lose today, and we are 8 points behind Chelsea after 9 games. The league for United will be over.

Unreal negativity? Wise up.
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Well I mean assuming a loss then criticising the poster based on that not yet happened loss might be the kind of negativity this thread is about.
 
90 + 5min said:
Well, Klopp had 4 trophyless season before winning.
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And no Liverpool fans were calling for his head. Maybe they're better than some of us? Maybe they could feel something building? Who knows. Tune in next week to find out.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Some of my frustrations towards Solskjaer stem from the fact that our board have a history of being passive, reactive, never having a plan and always seem to have a habit of making a correct decision much later than it should have been.
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I agree. I also found the timing of contracts to Ole to have been poor. Firstly, making him permanent manager after his great run at the start, after which we dropped off. We should have waited until the summer and reassessed. Secondly, giving him a new three year deal last summer, was again pointless. He had a year left on his deal and it was clear it was make or break already, so extending it was pointless.

Ole was initially brought in as a stop gap manager. Fine enough if that's extended for a year or two until a long term option comes up. We could have parted ways amicably and thankful for the job Ole had done at numerous occasions. Instead, it's turning into Ole overstaying his welcome in the eyes of many fans.

One of the major problems is there is nobody above Ole in our system who really understands football. I don't trust any of them to make these kind of decisions. Nor is there anyone planning with long term oversight. After Ole, what direction would we go? Numerous clubs move managers on but you know they will get someone in who fits the structure the club already has in place, or in the progress of building. With us, Moyes to LVG to Jose to Ole has been directionless, and there's nothing to suggest that after Ole it won't be equally directionless.
 
Acquire Me said:
I have been a so called "Ole in" and I support our manager and players. Ole has done a lot of right things to build us up after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho.

He deserves credit for what he has done so far. I still stand behind him and our team. His in charge and I still hope he can find his and our teams way to become what we all know the can be.

I have serious doubts though, he might not have that "last bit" in him to guide us to become great. If we could get someone like Erik ten Hag now, I would take him. No doubt about it.

That said, why all the crazy negativity about him that just not make sense?

- He has built a fantastic team
- He has created good values and got rid of a very toxic environment.
- He got rid of players clearly not making the cut.
- He promoted youth into our first team.
- He started a process that imo has been excellent overall.

He has not been perfect all along, but no one are. He might not be the one in the end that brings glory back. But the man taking over will inherit something really good to work on.

So, why all the negativity on him. Even on him as player and legend. I find that extremely disgraceful.
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He has done all that but most of that has nothing to do with his coaching ability.

He deserves credit for what he has done in the recruitment side and all that but he isn't a good enough manager to every compete with Pep Tuchel Klopp so continuing with him is nonsense.

Also our start to the season is absymal.
 
Bubz27 said:
And no Liverpool fans were calling for his head. Maybe they're better than some of us? Maybe they could feel something building? Who knows. Tune in next week to find out.
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There were those who did that and wanted other coaches. Even wanting to bring back Benitez.
My point is that things take time.
 
Ole deserves a lot of credit, but at the same time it's quite obvious he can't take us to the next level. What's the issue with that?

It doesn't mean he has to stay forever and ever like Fergie did, those days are done.

As you say we have a great squad now, there's really no excuses that we shouldn't be playing top class football.
 
A team is not fantastic because it looks good on paper. You need to actually win things.
 
I think a lot of views on Ole are based on him being who he is . Basically 20 Ole Legend.

When he came in the whole feeling around the club changed post SAF. It was needed.

After the war there was a famous comment of "people have never had it so good". It was true but it was just after a world war. And I feel a bit like this about Ole as time goes on.

As his tenure progresses, for me, more questions arise and it becomes more negative than positive.

His team building has been found wanting imo. For the money we have spent we could have had, again imo, a much better team. We seem to spend big but then spend again to help the big spend. A good example is Maguire, who I think is better than some people think. Yet his 80m pound fee hasn't been justified if we then needed to spend again to buy varane etc.

We went down the spend big in young players and build for the future. To seeing nothing much if the young players and getting likes of Ronaldo and Cavani. We bought Amad etc for bug money (for unknowns) but then spent big on Sancho.

We've spent a lot. Yet if a new manager was bought in today he would need to spend big to get balance in this team.

Our football is dire at times, most times imo. No cohesion, no real utilisation of the squad. One injury to certain players and we look lost. Players not signing contracts and high wages.

I want Ole to do well and his initial employment had me excited and there was a "steadying the ship" vibe. As time goes on the positives seem to be decreasing for me.

I don't post much on here but conversations with fellow fans seem to have a "yeah but..." Vibe to the positives Ole initially bought.
 
red thru&thru said:
Who says they're happy they're not winning the top honours?
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No idea but when an elite club doesn't win trophies there will be negativity. Whether you want to call the unrealistic situation of that not being there happiness, satisfaction or something else, it doesn't matter.
 
The Ole Out posters put the bad stuff on Ole and also say the good stuff is nothing to do with him.

Also, if I read another post where some cnut is rewriting history and making out Ole wasn't even a good player for us I think my response will get my banned.
 
Everybody has their take on Ole. My take is he a a good hard working guy that lacks the presence and nous needed to be at a big club. I still want him to do well.

Ole never appointed himself as Utd's manager or gave himself a new contract. Any negativeity should be directed at the board.

A few people want him to resign which is crazy. He can set his family up for life with this job and there is no way on earth he is resigning unless the club tells him to.
 
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Acquire Me said:
I have been a so called "Ole in" and I support our manager and players. Ole has done a lot of right things to build us up after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho.

He deserves credit for what he has done so far. I still stand behind him and our team. His in charge and I still hope he can find his and our teams way to become what we all know the can be.

I have serious doubts though, he might not have that "last bit" in him to guide us to become great. If we could get someone like Erik ten Hag now, I would take him. No doubt about it.

That said, why all the crazy negativity about him that just not make sense?

- He has built a fantastic team
- He has created good values and got rid of a very toxic environment.
- He got rid of players clearly not making the cut.
- He promoted youth into our first team.
- He started a process that imo has been excellent overall.

He has not been perfect all along, but no one are. He might not be the one in the end that brings glory back. But the man taking over will inherit something really good to work on.

So, why all the negativity on him. Even on him as player and legend. I find that extremely disgraceful.
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You want to sack him for another manager. That means you're "Ole out".
 
I would guess the reason it seems negative is that we're currently in a negative cycle performance wise. Well, we have been all season and probably for a while prior.

If I was going to defend some of these posters, I'd say many are probably of a similar disposition. He's done some good things but has completely run out of steam in reaching the major goals. But as we are where we are they're not necessarily going to sign off every post with that disclaimer that he's done some positive things when commenting on the current position or performance or result.

There is undoubtedly a spoilt element of our fanbase as well, unfortunately.
 
I feel like most of our fans live in a fairy world where they only watch United and no other football and actually think we're a good team. Explains how such topics keep getting started. Do you not watch City, Chelsea or Liverpool ?

Or are you happy just challenging for 4th every year ?

Because if you do watch our 'rivals' and think we're on their level performance wise and tactically, you're gonna be in shock come the end of the season.

Hey, maybe Ole needs a DM.
 
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There's no doubt he has done some good for the club. However the reality is he has taken us as far as he can. 400m he has been backed with and yet we are 8 points off the top and not even into Nov yet. We need a better coach to come in and utlilize the talent of this squad to the potential it has, to take us to the next level, winning trophies.
 
The negativity is based on the results over the years so it's kinda justifiable. A club at this size should always try to improve. What I don't get the most however is when posters try to downplay Sir Alex and comparing Ole to him. To Ole's most staunch defenders, Ole is the new Sir Alex. It's a disgrace.
 
tenpoless said:
The negativity is based on the results over the years so it's kinda justifiable. A club at this size should always try to improve. What I don't get the most however is when posters try to downplay Sir Alex and comparing Ole to him. To Ole's most staunch defenders, Ole is the new Sir Alex.
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They have they're similarities, such as:
1) both managed Manchester united
 
IrishRedDevil said:
We lose today, and we are 8 points behind Chelsea after 9 games. The league for United will be over.

Unreal negativity? Wise up.
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And level on points with Arsenal who we were all pissing ourselves about. If Arteta is fair game, then so is Ole
 
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