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The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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The club would argue we aren't out of top 4 mathematically so Jose stays.
We have the most inept board that any top tier side has ever had. They are shockingly bad at their jobs.
Right now it must be the matchgoers keeping him in the job. Wish we were more ruthless like Madrid fans. We're like sheep ready to be led over a cliff by a lunatic shepherd
pathetic, but hardly surprising. I didn't really get my hopes up today, it's not worth it ... this club obviously doesn't learn from its mistakes.
Standards haven fallen at this club. Mediocrity it is.
Tells you all you where we are as a club under Woodward. Football doesn't matter anymore to the club
I had been saying for weeks, we won't sack him till April so I am with you. But last night while watching the game, I kept on asking myself that surely this can't go on?
Probably not, it should have been fixed properly after the Moyes debacle.Yet here we are post LVG and soon to be Jose.
Rinse and repeat it seems.
I'm kind of glad it hasnt happened yet,I wouldnt like to give liverpool the satisfaction.
£24m to sack him now or £18m in March. Why are we waiting exactly?
The satisfaction for our rivals is seeing Jose in charge, they surely want to last is as long as possible.
I'm in the same boat as you, I don't have hope of him getting sacked. But I thought the manner of the defeat and Gary Neville coming close to saying Jose should be sacked almost got my hopes up.
We'll draw or beat Cardiff and all's forgotten though. Like none of this happened.
It's not even a lot of money. We waste far more than that every season on transfers.
I would like to come on here and apologise profusely to Sir Bobby Charlton. The legend knew it all along that this will happen before our very eyes and we will suffer, and indeed we are
Does he earn 24M per year? Or do we need to pay him this year's remaining wages plus one yr severance package which adds up to 24M
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If we sack him now we pay 24 m
If we sack him when top 4 not possible we pay 18 m
only 6 m is the difference. I dont think this 6 m is holding the club.
If we sack him when top 4 not possible we pay 18 m
only 6 m is the difference. I dont think this 6 m is holding the club.
I literally said good results don’t mean anything. The performances are far more important than the results, and even under Vangle the pre season performances were nothing to write home about. The performances under Moyes and Jose this summer gone were bad, and the seasons that followed were bad. Pre season is a decent indicator of the quality of football that is to come.
£24million got us Morgan Schneiderlin
I am struggling to see what we have to lose by sacking him now if it’s a matter of 6 million more or less in compensation and in any case under half the transfer fee for a Brazilian midfielder that we never play. The atmosphere is utterly toxic and we will not make top 4. What’s the worst a caretaker could do - finish 9th or 10th? More likely the players would feel a cloud had lifted and start performing closer to their abilities.
Exactly. Sacking Mourinho would be the best £24m we've spent since we bought van Persie
I really think a combination of this whole "United aren't a sacking club" and the fact that the fans defiantly sing Jose's name makes the board decide not to act.
Logically, why would the board think we're not happy with Jose if we make a point of singing his name?
Logically, why would the board think we're not happy with Jose if we make a point of singing his name?
Cause that would be a world record sacking fee and make Woodward look stupid. No wonder he's not doing it.
Do the fans actually sing Jose's name in the stadium or do they just not boo Jose?
It's not about money. I refuse to believe the Glazers are worried about 18 or 24 million which is peanuts for them. The real culprit is Woodward, who is probably afraid to make a big decision mid-season when no clear candidate is available.
Woodward has a comfort zone, which is end of the season for sackings and restructuring. He is too much of a coward to shake things up now and would prefer to simply ride out the season. The Glazers simply listen to him.
£24m 
We are such fecking mugs.
We are such fecking mugs.If it's really £24m in compensation then Ed is just the worst negotiator in the world. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me one bit seeing the fees and wages we pay. Chelsea paid just £8m sacking Jose 3 years ago today and he had 4 year contract.
I think you are thinking too highly of Woodward if you feel he would have a better succession plan in summer or end of season. I think, Woodward would start looking for alternatives in April or something when he is just a week away from firing Jose.
It's actually a lot of money. Unlike transfer fees, Contract write-offs can't be amortised. They have to have to show in entirety in the balance sheet. That is if Mourinho demands his money up front, which he is entitled to.
Yes, that right. It makes Ed look so amateurish. Any payout > 10m is laughable.
We have muppets running the club. You would think they would have learnt their lesson after the Moyes and LVG disaster but no, nothing learnt.
As for the extra £6m, just pay it ffs. Unless there's a huge bonus they have to pay for being in the Champions League.
If the difference between sacking him now and once top 4 is gone is truly only 6m, what a fecking disgrace if the club don't get rid of him as soon as possible. Board are useless, absolutely useless.
That’s true but they can just present it as one off restructuring costs and show adjusted EBITDA etc. Anyway, if it is 18m in April (rather than 24 now), 6m should not be a decisive factor.
Either way, we badly need a DoF as Woodward is clearly being taken to the cleaners when it comes to football-related contracts.
I actually hate madrid fans because of that type of behaviour. Its never good and sets the club in a bad light. Fans shouldn't have to riot to send a message. At this point there really is no need to fire mourinho until we find a good replacement. He also gets a very huge paycheck if he leaves now. He is essentially winning which we can't have after all he has put us through. He can leave once we can't attain top 4 and there is legal reason to fire him.
The only cons to this strategy is that we have to watch much more dross and our key players might be damaged beyond no return.
Do modern high profile managers agree on a payout less than their salaries? I doubt if they do.
All points to Ed being out his depth running a club this big. You just have to hope he realises that and brings someone in to help him but that's doubtful.
Someone can correct me but i think Conte was paid like 8m which looks fairly decent.
£24m is almost twice his salary though. According to most reports he earns ~£15m a year.
18m won't make him look any less of an idiot.
Other way around surely. Liverpool would want him to remain wouldn't they.
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