When it’s one or two players consistently underperforming week after week, then it’s on the players. When it’s the whole fecking team underperforming week after week, then it’s on the manager. It’s always been that way and always will be.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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When it’s one or two players consistently underperforming week after week, then it’s on the players. When it’s the whole fecking team underperforming week after week, then it’s on the manager. It’s always been that way and always will be.
But you are fishing for confirmation dude, the way set the question without any context.
If we're shiit for a long time under Mourinho, and if all the players look lost, if our tactic is utter shiit, and if we look clueless and disjointed, then how can it be on anyone else than Mourinho?
But if we're playing great,winning , creating chances, looking dangerous and if in the end the result isn't a real depiction of the game we played, than it's on players.
Agree put the Pogba argument to one side, who is fecking performing?
It hasn't though, has it. It's often wheeled out for clubs fighting relegation, that the manager is at fault and a change might cause a reaction. Occasionally it does, but usually it does not. See Fulham for example. A change of manager, and no change of fortunes. Now is this a case of its the managers fault entirely, both of them, or that it might just be down to the playing staff, the people who take to the pitch?
Now that's a case of a set of players failing to perform week after week. United are not.
In other words, he's a con man.
Hope the money he gets from his sacking comforts him when his shot reputation means no big clubs will ever touch him again.
Spot on and even if it was the players, I'd still blame him for letting the situation get so bad before resolving it.
Howe would be a good option imo if he were coming in strictly as first team coach into a settled team already playing football similar in style to his, with a separate structure above taking care of logistics, scouting, transfers etc. Taking over the tactical mess and mishmash squad Mourinho has created is going to be one hell of a job and needs someone with the gravitas to make decisions some players don’t like and see them through. Don’t think Howe is the guy. But that’s as much a slight on us as him.
Well said Steve. I can deal with bad results etc, but the man is such a grade A 'pr**k, that he just sucks all enthusiasm from anything.
I just want my club back. Sick of his nasty ways. How anyone can still support someone who so blatantly has no love for this club, is really beyond my comprehension.
Of course he's the commander of the ship, he's getting huge money to make those players (a good portion of which he asked to be bought) perform, to make them play and motivate them to believe in him and his project.
It's a high risk, high reward job, it can't be all on him when things are going good and all on players when the wheels are falling off. There's command responsibility.
In either scenario I have no doubt the players would be entirely blameless.
2 or 3 managers from now, the players will remain blameless.
Though in either scenario, both the players and manager are to blame. The players for failing to do what's required, whether that's the basics of taking chances, and the manager for not changing things to cause a reaction.
Even despite me giving you a straightforward answer, your agenda simply doesn't allow you to accept the answer because it's clashes with the answer you already gave to yourself, so basically you're arguing with yourself here.
I am all for being loyal to your managers/players etc, but is it just me or does Gary Neville always always always defend Mourinho and just will not criticise him?
I’m amazed you still have the energy to tolerate these circular discussions that come out to defend Mourinho mate. Your resolve is truly admirable
Always. It makes it even funnier because his own club that he owns has sacked quite a few managers in the last couple years (Can’t remember the exact number. It’s on here somewhere)
Only Gary himself knows what he’s actually playing at.
Cheers mateI’m amazed you still have the energy to tolerate these circular discussions that come out to defend Mourinho mate. Your resolve is truly admirable
I'm too stubborn for my own good The players aren't blameless though, I mean you could invent a language with the creativity in insults used towards the players and manager this season.
Even De Gea has had a chunk of critiscm go his way this season no player has been spared, some of it is completely justified while plenty isn't. So the fact that you can say that is honestly laughable and downright wrong.
The players have played a apart, they're also at fault. Whether it's due to not putting in enough effort or not having enough quality they have to shoulder the blame.
But this happened at Chelsea, he won the title, then took them to 16th, then they went unbeaten for 16 games under Hiddink then they won the title the following season.
Baring in mind he said the exact same fecking thing at Chelsea that 'HE'D' taken the players as far as they'd go and pushed them way above their quality.
He isn't the same Jose or Inter or Chelsea back in the day. Compare the progress his team has made and compare that to Liverpool under Klopp who has spent a similar amount and yet also lost their best player. The difference is night and day in practically every area.
Well said
So what is the answer mate? Sell every single player and then give Mourinho half a billion pounds to totally rebuild the squad?
Neville is looking after the football fraternity which he belongs. It still irks him being sacked by Valencia and him backing managers is his way of saying those not giving managers time are in the wrong. He also likely has in his mind United being successful sticking with Sir Alex despite an inconsistent start during his tenure.
It's the only way I'm afraid. Mourinho is a world class coach and these players just don't have the mentality required for Man Utd. Mourinho has proven he can win titles and he's still the best manager in the world.
3 managers have failed to get this team of overpaid donkeys to win a title if the best manager in the world has failed. It's clear the players are at fault, completely.
Sell a good chunk of the players, give Mourinho unlimited funds to make the team he wants.
Explode into another meltdown and repeat the process come season 3.
Yes loyal to a fault like many of our fans. Blind loyalty is a strange thing lots suffer from for some reason. It makes you no less of a supporter to not believe in the manager.
We don't need to sell every player. But Iregardless of Mourinhos fate here we need a big, big clear out.
One we don't look to be getting given Smalling signing a new deal and rumours circulating he won't be the last.
Ranieri has been in the job a few weeks. If you're claiming players not being good enough is down to Mourinho. He signed the players.
The best players this season has been those not signed by him.
I wasn't being entirely serious mate. The poster I was replying to does not accept that Mourinho is to blame at all.
Yeah I would take that scenario too.
I'm firmly of the opinion that if Neville hadn't ranted few weeks ago, we'd have already seen the back of Mourinho.
Guess all that doesn't matter to him when he's actually the owner of a club (Salford)?
Absolutely. Likely hurts his pocket.
I like this poll, some many don't want José, that the total now adds up to more than 100
Class from Pogba, anyone thinking this guy is a problem makes my blood boil. Get rid of the toxic manager and simply get anyone who’s not a coward and is willing to embrace the values this club has been built on, I don’t think fans even care about the trophies at this stage - just get our United back and belief that we can do any team.
It's a selfish world all around.
Martial, Pogba and Mata on bench vs Liverpool - Rom and Matic start.
fecking get a new manager ASAP. Seriously.
fecking get a new manager ASAP. Seriously.
Please tell me again how I am supposed to support in any situation
Amen to this.
Yeah but we should ignore all of those facts and blame Pogba instead.
Should he go ? Yes
Will he go anytime soon ? No
Will I and others moan that he hasn't gone ? Yes
Will he go anytime soon ? No
Will I and others moan that he hasn't gone ? Yes
Any chance today is his last game if Liverpool do a Johnny Sins on us like I expect them to?
We don’t need to get excuses in early....we’ve been crap for at least 5yrs and those capable of thinking beyond the next/last game saw this coming well before that!
Pretty much this. The only question is who will be the next gaffer.
Am I a traitor if I would take a 5-0 thrashing today if it meant Mourinho was sacked? Instead of the alternative, a 0-0 park the bus draw or narrow defeat.
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