The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[sunama]

I think a lot of Jose haters think that if he leaves, like a magic bullet, we will immediately play attractive football and complete for ht league title.
If we do hit the reset button, we will take several steps backwards and there won't be any league title for several years. It will be made even more difficult when you consider that Woodward is the DoF, who doesn't know much about football and is trying to save money.

 

[Adisa]

Still Mourinho out. Willing to change my mind if we maintain intensity in our game and more players show individual improvement.

 

[sunama]

I was there again today and he had 100% of us all behind him and we never stopped singing his name, we all know that if we stick and get behind him he’ll deliver the goods.

That's good to hear.
We need to get behind the players, team, manager and club and with some encouragement, we can get something from this season.
If we remain negative, call our manager a has-been and our players shit, this will have the result of de-motivating everybody associated with the club.

 

[bleedred]

I still think he is not the man to lead us forward and this result doesn’t change a thing.

Having said that,I would have done the same exact thing if I was in the away crowd, irrespective of my personal opinion on Jose.

 

[Camy89]

Don't let Devil May Care see this. He'll have something to say no doubt.

 

[haram]

Don't let Devil May Care see this. He'll have something to say no doubt.

He’s been banned.

 

[shamans]

During games and inside games I am giving Mourinho full support. But I really do not see him as the right guy for the job. Let's see where we are come Christmas. Please no "we are building" excuses.

 

[JK-27]

Tactically Jose was spot on today, and he was tactically spot on against Spurs. He set the players up to deal with both teams. Today, if not for individual player mistakes it could have been 5 or 6 nil. Against Spurs, we could have been 1 nil up at half time and without individual defensive errors looking at a win.

Jose has given the players every opportunity to get the wins but the players have not delivered. How some can't/won't see that I don't understand.

Watford away will be a big game and the result will be telling for the rest of the season I feel.

 

[King Kana]

I thought Kyle Martino was going to start crying at the end because United won and he didn't get to trash Mourinho for 15 minutes straight. Instead, he tried to invent problems for the club, like Sanchez looking upset after being substituted and Mata not being selected. Truly pathetic.

He is absolutely a pain to watch. A nothing player (League 1 level at best) during his time who is only there because the broadcaster has to have an American on the panel. Does my head in no end.

 

[Camy89]

He’s been banned.

Permanently? Or just a transient ban?

 

[haram]

Permanently? Or just a transient ban?

Not sure tbh, probably just a temporary one.

 

[JK-27]

Jose did say before the season that we needed to fight for the first 3-4 games of the season due to lack of preseason games for majority of his first team players. I must admit I'm not surprised this issue has been overlooked and not being mentioned due to the obvious hate towards Mourinho

Once again he has been very honest in what he's been telling to the press and I'm confident that both performances and results will improve.

Spot on. He also said pre-season was tough because with so many first team players away he couldn't work on a new tactical game plan he wanted to work on. If you look at Lukaku's post match interview today he mentions they've been spending the last few weeks working on a new tactical game plan and we saw it in effect today.

Jose is an honest man with integrity, and fans should be grateful he's so honest and open with us.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Jose has already addressed the defensive problems at the club with the acquisitions of Bailly and Lindelof, both of which have failed to impress either consistently or at all.

Why bother.....

 

[Whiteside1985]

I was there again today and he had 100% of us all behind him and we never stopped singing his name, we all know that if we stick and get behind him he’ll deliver the goods.

This came across really well on the TV coverage.
I suppose it shows the gulf between the (always excellent) away support and a significant proportion of the keyboard warriors on here.

I'm sure there will be plenty even amongst the hardcore who have their doubts, but the vocal backing of the manager was fantastic to hear today (and clearly appreciated by Jose, too).

 

[Womp]

I fecking love the man when he is like this. The us vs them mentality. It's the first time since joining us I've felt this collectiveness around the club (which is weird as a few weeks ago we were apparently in panic mode)

It's also great to see and hear that McKenna and Carrick are really imprinting their ideas onto the players and Jose is on board.

I thought the guy was a goner and that we needed widescale changes (still think we do), but if there is anyone who can turn this around it's him.

 

[MuFc_1992]

I am still not convinced but I think He may be able to weather the storm if the team continues to perform like this. Also, I must admit that He's relying on players who are willing to run through the wall for him like Matic and Fellaini. It is similar to Ferguson keeping faith with players who most people though weren't good enough because it builds that sense of loyalty that comes in handy during tough times. I'm still a bit worried about how he'll handle Pogba because he wasn't too convincing yesterday but overall signs are looking good. I've made it clear that I'm not a big Jose fan but if he lets McKenna conduct the attacking drills and focus solely on defensive organization in big games than things may work out here for him.

 

[Regalia]

Lovely to see we still have some losers coming into this thread, when there's a Mourinho Out one, just to make a few snide remarks because they don't have anything to moan about this weekend. Clueless, just like the whole NBC broadcast team for the game.

 

[Fridge chutney]

It's also great to see and hear that McKenna and Carrick are really imprinting their ideas onto the players and Jose is on board.

Well said Womp. I think some of their ideas are starting to take hold and it's showing in our general play, especially attack.

It is important to understand that Rui Faria left after 17 years, Carrick and McKenna have new responsibilities and it looks like we're playing a new style. That's a lot of change. This change takes more than 3 weeks to permeate the squad. Still a rocky road ahead. Patience is needed. But I think the infrastructure that is being built is taking us in the right direction.

Even if Mou leaves, we will be in a better place.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Papers must be gutted as if we’d lost and us wearing the pink kit for the first time the headlines could have written themselves. Jose gets his pink slip and so on.

I genuinely think you're right. Drama sells and so do headlines like that. "United beat Burnley" doesnt have the same ring to it.

 

[Fridge chutney]

It really is Donald Trump lite, all he needs is a red 'Make United Great Again!' cap.

Well it takes one to know one, doesnt it? It
appears that you've taken a lesson or ten out of Trumpster's playbook with all your moaning and rhetoric after we had the audacity to win away and play well.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Lindelof is a very good defender for his Country but turns to shite when playing for United (which is quite common at big clubs where the pressure is huge).

I thought Lindelof played well today. He's very good on the ball. He just needs an experienced and commanding CB to partner with (Toby?), because defensively he can be a bit naive. He's still young, so a bit more time might be needed to fully assess him. Mourinho is still trying to figure out how best to pair him I think.

 

[Fridge chutney]

I think a lot of Jose haters think that if he leaves, like a magic bullet, we will immediately play attractive football and complete for ht league title.
If we do hit the reset button, we will take several steps backwards and there won't be any league title for several years. It will be made even more difficult when you consider that Woodward is the DoF, who doesn't know much about football and is trying to save money.

We were shite against Brighton. However, stylistically there are signs we will be better this season. Give McKenna and Carrick time to stamp their influence on the squad. It's clear they're working with Mourinho towards something, as evidenced by Lukaku's interview and the performances vs. Spurs and Burnley.

Mourinho's attitude at the club is also improving, despite being slaughtered by the press. He's not picking fights despite being under more pressure than ever. He's forging connections with fans and spending time deepening ties at the club.

He still might have a meltdown and we still might struggle, but all is not lost and there are some good signs emerging amongst all the negativity. The hyperbole and rhetoric from the press and some fans seems a bit unecessary, in my opinion.

 

[Ban]

The level of ignorance displayed here rivals something you might hear six pints down at the pub.

This plank is almost laughing at Mourinho saying he was happy with the tactical approach after losing to Spurs. The result, the product of 3 individual errors, has totally blinded him to what happened: We committed the fullbacks, we had a midfielder making the 3rd man in defence when needed, we created chances. It was logical of Jose to think that if we kept that up we’d start winning games, as we did at Burnley.

How can you be paid to write about football and have no obvious analytical ability? Even Pochettino made the point Spurs we’re lucky (which he again hinted at today after Watford beat them). Why do people put such stock in the opinions of these fellas?

Exactly, trotting out cliches left, right and centre.

 

[MuranoLover]

I was there again today and he had 100% of us all behind him and we never stopped singing his name, we all know that if we stick and get behind him he’ll deliver the goods.

Feeling the same way.

I wrote it multiple times , he is trying to change for us and lets get behind him and make it happen - this is our best shot at United to get to good times back .

There is no SAF available out there , Mou is here and lets make him our 2nd legacy manager .

 

[Andersons Dietician]

The level of ignorance displayed here rivals something you might hear six pints down at the pub.

This plank is almost laughing at Mourinho saying he was happy with the tactical approach after losing to Spurs. The result, the product of 3 individual errors, has totally blinded him to what happened: We committed the fullbacks, we had a midfielder making the 3rd man in defence when needed, we created chances. It was logical of Jose to think that if we kept that up we’d start winning games, as we did at Burnley.

How can you be paid to write about football and have no obvious analytical ability? Even Pochettino made the point Spurs we’re lucky (which he again hinted at today after Watford beat them). Why do people put such stock in the opinions of these fellas?

Did you even watch the clip?

 

[#07]

Did you even watch the clip?

I saw the version of it Sunday Supplement put out on Twitter. You think John Cross sounded well informed dismissing Jose’s analysis and saying he looks demented? Fair enough, free country you can think what you want. To me it’s just laziness.

 

[spiriticon]

Telling that the anti Mourinho brigade say nothing after Utd win,clearly there is a personal agenda,we dont need "fans" like that at our club,imagine this place if redcafe and twitter were around in 1989,some "fans" would do well to remember the words of the great Sir Alex Ferguson," If you cant support us when we lose dont support us when we win".

As for the banner,that was deserved to be honest,Woodward simply hasnt got a clue!

This post is a contradiction.

Woodward is part of the club, just like Mourinho.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I saw the version of it Sunday Supplement put out on Twitter. You think John Cross sounded well informed dismissing Jose’s analysis and saying he looks demented? Fair enough, free country you can think what you want. To me it’s just laziness.

That is not why he is saying he looked demented tho is it. He is saying it’s due to his actions and the way he is acting, nothing to do with his analysis of games.

I actually felt for most of it he was spot on, even if by the end he payed it on a bit thick with the implosion stuff.

 

[pascell]

beat burnley 2 nil and we're billy big bollocks?

It's progress and a foundation to build on. The team will gain confidence after a clean sheet and threatening them constantly in attack. Burnley aren't a push over at home, big teams will go there and drop points.

 

[#07]

That is not why he is saying he looked demented tho is it. He is saying it’s due to his actions and the way he is acting, nothing to do with his analysis of games.

I actually felt for most of it he was spot on, even if by the end he payed it on a bit thick with the implosion stuff.

Okay well let's agree to disagree. You and I see things differently and that's fine but sorta makes more discussion on this pointless.

I felt Cross' response to Jose's comments about the Spurs game, which is where he started, were painfully lacking in any analysis. Everything Jose said we did against Spurs well we did against Burnley, just better. Pretty much nothing changed other than the fact Lukaku managed to score some of his chances. The fact a man who has been writing about football for decades couldn't see that because we lost 3-0 is embarrasing. His view was practically how dare Jose have the audacity to demand respect after losing 3-0. Well, given Mou's tactical approach was excuted well but for individual mistakes, I can't see why Jose would sit there and play the punching bag for the press.

Everything else that followed from Cross was almost equally as nonsensical. The idea that Jose is demented, simply cos he lost his rag after explaining to journalists what he was trying to achieve only to be greeted with 'but you lost 3-0', is laughably ridiculous.

 

[Relfy]

That John Cross is a pleb. He's on TV here every week spouting his agenda to keys and gray who invariably run with it and take it all as fact. The state of the media these days is a joke.

Anyway back to the subject of the thread, I'm very much Jose in and hope he can get us on a good run of results now. We need to move on from the summer and just back the lads to do the business. I can't understand the constant negativity on here some times. If you don't like him then fair enough, but do people need to tell us every single day?

 

[Trizy]

Tactically Jose was spot on today, and he was tactically spot on against Spurs. He set the players up to deal with both teams. Today, if not for individual player mistakes it could have been 5 or 6 nil. Against Spurs, we could have been 1 nil up at half time and without individual defensive errors looking at a win.

Jose has given the players every opportunity to get the wins but the players have not delivered. How some can't/won't see that I don't understand.

Watford away will be a big game and the result will be telling for the rest of the season I feel.

I believe Jose isn't right for the job and for that reason I'm firmly in the 'out' camp. However, you are spot on with those comments.

We made Spurs look the worst I've seen them for big parts of that match. Everything was set up brilliantly. Lukaku miss cost us. Mind you it might have still been a 1-1 all 2-2 draw but I don't think we would've lost had he scored.

 

[WensleyMU]

After months of constant negativity, from the press and numerous "United fans" I think we are allowed to enjoy what was a good performance at a traditionally tough away fixture. We played with purpose and created enough opportunities to win by 4 or more yesterday.

Players showed the world that they are not downing tools and trying to force Mourinho out, they worked hard and produced so quality football. The away fans were rocking and while all this clearly irks some, can those more rational heads not use this as a basis to reignite belief in the team?

Nobody is now claiming we are the best team in the league based off this performance, only that we are not in the dire straights some claim and many believe.

 

[fergieisold]

As someone who has been to every game this season, bar today, and will be going to Watford and West Ham away, the notion that Jose retains the support of the match going fans is fanciful at best. In my anecdotal experience, the blame is being split three ways: a) Jose; b) the Board; and c) the players. The majority believe its one of, or a combination of a) and b), with most saying it's on Jose for breeding the negativity in the first place. Ed and the Board are structural issues though, and will need to be sorted but Jose was never the right fit for us and the longer he stays, the more likely it is he'll drag us further down.

How Jose has hoodwinked some of our fans into believing it's all the board's fault and not his is remarkable.

From my experience (not away games) people generally do lay the blame with Jose but are reluctant to see a change at the moment. They also generally think Woodward is useless that's true!

 

[Janson]

Point being, Jose has already attempted to rectify the central defensive problem by spending £50 million+ on two replacements that have not lived up to expectation. How many attempts does he get at fixing the problem before enough is enough?

You can afford to be nonchalant about the loss of £50 million because it's not your money that has been wasted, but the moneymen at the club do not get that luxury. United do not have City money.

Why are then people surprised we can't compete with them?

 

[Janson]

As someone who has been to every game this season, bar today, and will be going to Watford and West Ham away, the notion that Jose retains the support of the match going fans is fanciful at best. In my anecdotal experience, the blame is being split three ways: a) Jose; b) the Board; and c) the players. The majority believe its one of, or a combination of a) and b), with most saying it's on Jose for breeding the negativity in the first place. Ed and the Board are structural issues though, and will need to be sorted but Jose was never the right fit for us and the longer he stays, the more likely it is he'll drag us further down.

How Jose has hoodwinked some of our fans into believing it's all the board's fault and not his is remarkable.

That's all it is though, anectodal. As long as you didn't go around taking polls. Even if it would be true, they are singing Mourinho's name and fully supporting the team, unlike some of the clowns on here.

 

[sp_107]

I always feel Jose comes across a very honest human which land him into trouble many times! Whether it's on transfers or assessing players performance.

I am glad things are getting better and hope all together we can turn this season.

If you look at all Jose teams, At Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Madrid he was blessed with very good defence which let forward players push for goals ! Though he is a defensive coach his teams were never as bad as what UTD for last 2 years

It's not easy for anyone to come back after such a horrific injury but when Luke finally playing a little bit better and more consistent, It actually improved the team as a whole so imagine what if we have a proper ball playing and reliable defence of 4.

Jose's biggest mistake is his last 2 central defensive transfers were not great which let him down and he can only blame himself for that !!

 

[Smores]

Point being, Jose has already attempted to rectify the central defensive problem by spending £50 million+ on two replacements that have not lived up to expectation. How many attempts does he get at fixing the problem before enough is enough?

You can afford to be nonchalant about the loss of £50 million because it's not your money that has been wasted, but the moneymen at the club do not get that luxury. United do not have City money.

Does it matter though? i mean every manager bar none makes transfer mistakes including our title competitors

I can understand some level of apprehension and i can understand if the club only wanted sure thing defenders as a result. What i can't quite square with common sense is recognising there's an issue with quality but not rectifying it.

 

[sp_107]

When I think about Top class forward/Midfiled players in recent times, I can think of Lukaku, Sanchez,Pogba, Matic, Falcao and Dimaria( last 2 might not be best at UTD but still they are great players)


But when I think about defence, I stilll remember the likes of Gary, Vidic, Rio and Evra.

That is our main problem

 

[The Boy]

Jose has already addressed the defensive problems at the club with the acquisitions of Bailly and Lindelof, both of which have failed to impress either consistently or at all.

Even the best make mistakes when trying to buy to strengthen a position. Do you remember Anderson, Hargreaves, Milne, Djemba Djemba, Veron and Kleberson in the midfield or up front Bellion, Bebe, Fangzu (sp?), Manucho etc the list can go on. Who can forget Poborsky or Bosnich or Obertan!

Some transfers flop, move on and try again rather than sack your manager!