The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
  • Total voters
    2,977
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red woppit said:
I don't see the reason for keeping him on until then, he appears to have lost support for his methods from most of the players, the board don't seem to have faith in him by not supporting his requests for certain players during the summer, and the majority of fans have lost faith in him. People tend to pick up their game when a new boss is appointed, so for me the sooner Jose is gone, the better, then the argument about whether players are good enough, or not, will soon become evident under a new regime, effectively giving them a good 7 months to evaluate each player, and the academy players who, imho, some of should be getting time on the bench and appearing in Carabao Cup games ( too late this season unfortunately).
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Probably worded that wrong. I'm not fully in favour of him staying till then cause if this circus carries on we'll be in the bottom half by crimbo. I just don't see the board having the balls to give him his marching orders anytime soon.
 
Yesterday's midfield looked familiar to what a madrid fan posted a few months back, his prized trivote system
Snips from an iteresting 2014 piece from the daily mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...nhos-armour-plated-trivote-midfield-back.html

With Mata sold and Oscar benched on Monday night Mourinho dispensed with the frills of a floater off the striker and drafted Ramires into an armour-plated midfield three that already boasted David Luiz and Nemanja Matic. What in Spain he used to call his ‘high-pressure triangle’.

Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira and Lassana Diarra hunted as a pack, seeking and destroying. But they didn’t just park themselves in front of the defence, instead they were given license to press high when the situation allowed. Diarra even wore the No 10 shirt for a time. The more sensitive Madrid fans had to avert their eyes at times. The purists were never going to be persuaded that the end justified Mourinho’s means.

The opposition came from the players too. Many secretly sided with the Sporting Director Jorge Valdano who once famously called the football served up by Mourinho ‘s*** on a stick’

The idea that some of the players knew better, and became increasingly happy to confront the boss, was what ultimately divided the dressing room and turned the players against Mourinho who won nothing in a tempestuous final season. But there were successes along the way – big ones too.
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Same circus, different club
 
ObieDeMoon said:
Ok then. How do we as the supporters of our club let 'our club' know that we want change and we want it now?

Does the club consult a section of the fans? A fan board or something?

We need to make our club understand that we as the fans demand a change.

How do we do this?
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Hire a plane with a banner.

When you come near the stadium jump out of the plane.
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redom said:
How many managers have held onto their jobs and then really turned things around at their respective club in comparable situations? Giving Fergie more time is brought up quite a lot but are there many/any more recent examples of giving a manager support through the tough times and things eventually coming good?

Sometimes you just have to accept that things have progressed past a point of fixing, even Mourinho must doubt his ability to turn this situation into a successful one so if both parties know the chances of things turning out positively are slim to none then why prolong the pain? We might pick up acceptable results in the coming games which buys him some more time but anything short of a miraculous upturn in form is going to lead to a drawn out season of frustration and negativity.
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This pretty much sums up how i’m currently thinking. I’m still unhappily in the “give him more time to turn it around” camp, but I’m struggling to see how he fixes it from here. I’m still currently in the give it more time brigade only because there’s nobody else to replace him with who is immediately obvious.
 
JonDahl said:
I agree with you, we certainly aren't going to be near a United team of old with this current crop.

Mata is the perfect example of our awful transfer policy, a player that thrived in a counter attacking team, we bought him stuck him right mid in a 442. We've never set the team up to get the best out of him like Chelsea did and so he looks like he's a waste of space 90% of time compared to his good season at Stamford Bridge. Square pegs in round holes is what we love doing - see Falcao, Alexis, Rashford.
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Yeah, I know. We're terribly run, top to bottom.

There's no end in sight, is there. He will be here for quite some time before he's cut loose and by then, we might be down near the relegation zone. Everything opposition fans taunted us with regarding Jose has come true to a tee, its so demoralising.
 
Worst start since 89-90?

Coincidental that that was SAFs lowest ebb after 3 years in the job and then look what happened.

On the basis that there are no obvious alternate candidates out there, and the guy has won us a LC & EL and also got us to an FA Cup final in his two seasons here we may as well give him more time unless we end up mid table.

If Jose is to survive, Pogba needs to go in January I think & a replacement lined up before he is sold.

We can say the manager is an arsehole with boring tactics but so are quite a few of the players being arseholes.

Do we want petulant primadonnas or feeble minded players playing for us?

Whatever his faults, and whether his methods are right or wrong, we know Jose is trying his best for the club. Can the same be said about all the players?

Stick with him (for now)
 
el3mel said:
There's no rhythm whatsoever. Don't try it again. :D
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Lemme give it one more shot :wenger:

Kapardin said:
But Ed Woodward, a brain he lacked.

I am bad at them too, but atleast let's finish it.
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Ok ok so here it goes:

After Sevilla,
Should have been sacked
Come summer market,
Should have been backed
But Ed Woodward,
A brain he lacked

Now our dear United's a mess,
A great return on your stock
But the footballs a mess

All that's left
Is to send Pogback
Along with that
Fat Italian mistress.

Dedicated to @hungrywing for not letting me give up on my dreams
 
Sterling Archer said:
After Sevilla,
Should have been sacked
Or come summer market,
Should have been backed.

I'm terrible at poems.
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Regardless of your poetic talents, you make a very good point. The way United meekly surrendered in the Sevilla game and then in the FA Cup final meant he either should have gone or been backed in the market to try and set things right, what happened was somewhere in between, no use to anyone. Maybe the Board did it that way to force JM's hand and make him resign to keep the cash that would be needed to pay him off. Who knows.
Even if he is punted or resigns, I hope the Board have an idea of who they want to replace him when he goes.
The whole sorry episode is embarrassing and is making United a laughing stock. Mourinho's silly mind games are so childish and stupid, he is almost becoming a caricature of himself, a grotesque parody that is ripping the club apart.
A penny for SAF's thoughts at the moment.
 
Chelsea waited until December to bin him while their season was totally unsalvageable. No idea why we need to keep waiting. It’s not working and it won’t work with him here either.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Lemme give it one more shot :wenger:



Ok ok so here it goes:

After Sevilla,
Should have been sacked
Come summer market,
Should have been backed
But Ed Woodward,
A brain he lacked

Now our dear United's a mess,
A great return on your stock
But the footballs a mess

All that's left
Is to send Pogback
Along with that
Fat Italian mistress.

Dedicated to @hungrywing for not letting me give up on my dreams
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If this is a humorous pisstake of rawk it’s fecking brilliant
 
Strachans Cigar said:
Worst start since 89-90?

Coincidental that that was SAFs lowest ebb after 3 years in the job and then look what happened.

On the basis that there are no obvious alternate candidates out there, and the guy has won us a LC & EL and also got us to an FA Cup final in his two seasons here we may as well give him more time unless we end up mid table.

If Jose is to survive, Pogba needs to go in January I think & a replacement lined up before he is sold.

We can say the manager is an arsehole with boring tactics but so are quite a few of the players being arseholes.

Do we want petulant primadonnas or feeble minded players playing for us?

Whatever his faults, and whether his methods are right or wrong, we know Jose is trying his best for the club. Can the same be said about all the players?

Stick with him (for now)
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No. He's trying his best for himself and himself only. Get rid. Trying to deflect blame from him to the players yet again is not going to work this time.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Chelsea waited until December to bin him while their season was totally unsalvageable. No idea why we need to keep waiting. It’s not working and it won’t work with him here either.
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We need to do some proper succession planning. Is Carrick ready to take over for a month? Who's immediately available, who available at the end of the season? We can't just pull the trigger and hope everything works out.
 
mariachi-19 said:
feck off with that shit, one manager won the league with those players at a canter. Stop making excuses for piss poor management. He's lost the dressing room and I guarantee you Rio Ferdinand wouldnt have opened his mouth last night saying as much if he didnt know that. Or do you think Young and Carrick have just stopped talking to the ex united players. That was as targeted last night as any bullshit Jose has tried to pull.
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I blame Moyes for the mentality that "our players are shite". For me United have always been about hard working individuals playing as a team, with maybe two or three at the most technically gifted stars. Then Moyes came and said "these players are shite" and a bunch of folk agreed with him rather than admit the truth; "Moyes is shite". Everyone keeps acting like we used to have squads filled with individual stars that could compete one on one with Real or Barca, or even Juve, Inter blah blah blah. Our Rooney-Ronnie-Tevez team was the only one that I can think of which was close to that, and that was a one off squad compared to what we were usually like.
 
The ‘not yet’ votes keep going up which I find a bit surprising. I admire the defiance if anything else. Personally I think his fate relies on Tuesday’s game. Lose that and both the CL progress plus top four are under massive threat and it will make the money men truly shit themselves.
 
kr0nix said:
Ah, the coveted 4th place trophy, still the target for Arsenal Football Club in the Unai Emery era.
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How many times have United finished in a top 4 position post Ferguson?

United do have the honor of being the club who have wasted the most money in the PL era. That sure beats the 4th place trophy.
 
dwd said:
The ‘not yet’ votes keep going up which I find a bit surprising. I admire the defiance if anything else. Personally I think his fate relies on Tuesday’s game. Lose that and both the CL progress plus top four are under massive threat and it will make the money men truly shit themselves.
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Especially with 2 games against Juventus in succession followed by the away game to Valencia, doesnt look good if we lose on Tuesday night.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Rather than money, could we just give him Darmian?
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Think that might be illegal. I’m all for it if it’s not. That would make a good Netflix series once José is out of a job. “The misadventures of Matteo and Mourinho”
 
crossy1686 said:
We need to do some proper succession planning. Is Carrick ready to take over for a month? Who's immediately available, who available at the end of the season? We can't just pull the trigger and hope everything works out.
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I think we should let Mckenna have the interim role as he has more experience
 
I've never remembered a period when our club has been shrouded in so much negativity, and for me, there is one man at the centre of it all, Mourinho. He constantly picks fights with the board, the fans, the players, the press, the pundits. I'm actually glad Pogba came out and said what he said, as someone had to say it..Imagine being trained to play that garbage style of Sunday League football week in week out. No wonder he fecks off to the French camp as quickly as he can as he most likely enjoys playing with the French team. I don't give a shit about trophies, I just want to see the club I love play with a bit of soul and pride again, because both have evaporated since that miserable man has been in charge.

The sooner he goes, the better.
 
Jose knows he's done here, the bizarre teamsheet and decisions against West Ham prove that. He knows he's gone at some point this season and is intelligent enough to know he can't get the players back on board. He will therefore spend the rest of whatever time the board affords him here settling personal scores and trying to prove he was right and that everyone else has failed him (which he's done plenty of already) - all in readiness for whatever comes next for him. He won't be bothered about the ramifications for the club who he feels have let him down - the guy doesn't do personal responsibility, never has. Expect plenty more public outbursts, score settling with Pogba and co and kamikaze team selections to prove whatever personal point he feels he needs to from game to game. It will be a painful watch. If Woody and the Board are willing to stand by and stomach this circus for most of the rest of the season to save £££ then more fool them. Anyone still saying he can turn this round is deluded.
 
The guy is a narcissist, and will continue to be one. All the good comes from him, all the bad from someone else. Has a toxic character and never hesitates to throw his players under bus. The sooner he is gone the better. Buys rubbish, coaches rubbish, speaks rubbish and acts rubbish.
 
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