The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

  • Total voters
    2,977
Status
Not open for further replies.
Confidence and enthusiasm can be the difference between a team looking like a top class outfit and a side that look like a bunch of amateurs.
Our players are much better than what you are seeing.

People have been saying this for years. It's become full blown denial. The cold hard reality is that a significant number are not up the required standard.
 
He's not an unknown quantity. Everything he's criticized for were doubts and fears we had about him during Everton days. We tried to convince ourselves he'll take it to the next level but I can't see it anymore.

A manager who wants a free fluid fast attacking system won't play a striker whose first touch and close control are as shite as this.
But what would people have said if the board vetoed Lukaku?
The Belgian national team has me somewhat convinced you can still play too quality football with Lukaku leading the line. Ultimately, I feel Sanchez should play up front for us under new management but we can't throw £75m away.
 
But what would people have said if the board vetoed Lukaku?
The Belgian national team has me somewhat convinced you can still play too quality football with Lukaku leading the line. Ultimately, I feel Sanchez should play up front for us under new management but we can't throw £75m away.

I don't have any regrets on signing him, as no other better option was available but ultimately it's inevitable we'll have to upgrade over him with someone who brings more to the table.
 
People have been saying this for years. It's become full blown denial. The cold hard reality is that a significant number are not up the required standard.
Not required standard to comprehensively beat Derby, Wolves, Brighton etc? We finished second last year ffs!
Our players are way better than what we are seeing, nobody can tell me otherwise.
 
He's not an unknown quantity. Everything he's criticized for were doubts and fears we had about him during Everton days. We tried to convince ourselves he'll take it to the next level but I can't see it anymore.

A manager who wants a free fluid fast attacking system won't play a striker whose first touch and close control are as shite as this.

I think Lukaku would be a good plan B or rotational option vs. easier teams. Of course he would hardly accept such a role though.
 
I think Lukaku would be a good plan B or rotational option vs. easier teams. Of course he would hardly accept such a role though.
The only game I've seen him play and look world class was for Belgium against Brazil, where he came of the right wing and terrorised the Brazilian defence, why have we never tried that?
One other question that has always nagged me, why didn't he bring his family with him when he got the United job?
 
Last edited:
He WAS a serial winner, but that Mourinho is long gone. He just doesn’t have that spark that made him loved by his players. Instead they now despise him. tactically we are awful and the team can hardly string 3 passes together. Nothing will get better, we either stick with this and accept it or change.

Mourinho is still a serial winner, otherwise his behaviour would be different, this is how he exhibits his frustration, Mourinho is not interested in qualifying for the champions league, he wants to win period. Yes he can be petty.

He demands consistency, and hard work, above talent, becuase it's that that allows your talent to really shine, and you can only develop your talent thru practice, doing the basic firstly and foremost.

As for Jose leaving he will be gone after the Newcastle match, as the players will down tools, they don't care about their league position, or the rest of the season, and unfortunately there are no leaders in the club, as this would of been nipped in the butt.

It's like a parent with two kids, who are constantly squabbling, and the parent just sits there and watch it play out, neglecting their responsiblity, to take both kids aside and get to the bottom of the issue and resolve the problem.
 
He needs to go! I've never seen such a spineless united team. 300 million spend where are the leaders in the team? I've never seen a team bottle it as fast as we do when we go 1 down,
Our tactics are embarrassing week in week the way we set up you would think we where play Barca or Real.
 
how do we contact Man United to get our concerns across? Ive tried twitter and its been an hour without a reply
 
People have been saying this for years. It's become full blown denial. The cold hard reality is that a significant number are not up the required standard.
That's because the mangers they've played for have all been shite.
 
I can't think of a single reason why we should stick with him at this point. He's miserable, we're miserable to watch, get some new positivity in.
 
We absolutely do not have to let Pogba go.

We don't have to but I think we shouldn't be spending too much time trying to make him stay if he's got his eye on Spain. Right now it seems all signs point to the continent and I'm not convinced he would change his mind of Jose left.
 
I can't think of a single reason why we should stick with him at this point. He's miserable, we're miserable to watch, get some new positivity in.
Tradition.
DNA.
Honour.
The Manchester Untied Way.

Something along those lines.
 
Iv backed Jose throughout our recent seasons with belief he could turn it around and improve us every season however sometimes you cant continue to support the manager if you don't believe he can. There is unsettle in the camp and its very hard to change that. Sadly, I think it's time for him to go and seek a new challenge.
 
I'd keep him till this season is over but I fancy the idea of zidane coming in. Have a good feeling about that appointment
 
That's because the mangers they've played for have all been shite.


Nah. Roy Hodgson is a much shitter manager than Jose or LVG and Zaha looks amazing for him. Moyes is a shambles of a manager, see how Arnautovic played under him?

Bollocks. Full blown denial, people are just desperate to believe that somewhere inside him, Phil Jones is Beckenbauer and its just waiting to be unlocked by the right manager.
 
In the business world, coming out to back an employee makes no difference. An employee's future is solely determined by results.
A manager is already in trouble when the employer has to publicly back him. Even if Ed did what you asked, Mourinho would be sacked if we continue losing, with the double whammy of the employer looking foolish.
But this situation is not going to resolve itself. Someone above has to take a firm decision and do something about this. We are now in a place where the manager's decisions are not making any sense to anyone and the hierarchy is looking clueless and disinterested in trying to fix it.
 
Nah. Roy Hodgson is a much shitter manager than Jose or LVG and Zaha looks amazing for him. Moyes is a shambles of a manager, see how Arnautovic played under him?

Bollocks. Full blown denial, people are just desperate to believe that somewhere inside him, Phil Jones is Beckenbauer and its just waiting to be unlocked by the right manager.

Arnautovic failed under Mourinho at Inter.
 
I'd keep him till this season is over but I fancy the idea of zidane coming in. Have a good feeling about that appointment

I don't see the reason for keeping him on until then, he appears to have lost support for his methods from most of the players, the board don't seem to have faith in him by not supporting his requests for certain players during the summer, and the majority of fans have lost faith in him. People tend to pick up their game when a new boss is appointed, so for me the sooner Jose is gone, the better, then the argument about whether players are good enough, or not, will soon become evident under a new regime, effectively giving them a good 7 months to evaluate each player, and the academy players who, imho, some of should be getting time on the bench and appearing in Carabao Cup games ( too late this season unfortunately).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Akshay
Nah. Roy Hodgson is a much shitter manager than Jose or LVG and Zaha looks amazing for him. Moyes is a shambles of a manager, see how Arnautovic played under him?

Bollocks. Full blown denial, people are just desperate to believe that somewhere inside him, Phil Jones is Beckenbauer and its just waiting to be unlocked by the right manager.

Some here have a tendency to blame our issues on players who rarely play.
 
That's because the mangers they've played for have all been shite.

Seriously? You'd simplify such deep-rooted issues to that degree? Absolutely no consideration at all should be given to the players' abilities or attitudes?
 
Last edited:
Nah. Roy Hodgson is a much shitter manager than Jose or LVG and Zaha looks amazing for him.

Well yes, because they play to Zaha's strengths. None of our last 3 mangers have played to the strengths of our players. You can make an argument for van Gaal with Martial and Moyes with Januzaj but the rest of the team suffered in those situations.
 
The only game I've seen him play and look world class was for Belgium against Brazil, where he came of the right wing and terrorised the Brazilian defence, why have we never tried that?
One other question that has always nagged me, why didn't he bring his family with him when he got the United job?

Probably for the same reason we don't try Sanchez up top, while Rashford and Martial look shit there as well. Mourinho needs his central striker to be a big target man and Lukaku is the only player with the physical attributes to somewhat play that role.
 
But what would people have said if the board vetoed Lukaku?
The Belgian national team has me somewhat convinced you can still play too quality football with Lukaku leading the line. Ultimately, I feel Sanchez should play up front for us under new management but we can't throw £75m away.

Everton or some other team would happily pay us that 75M back for him. At worst he's still a proven goalscoring forward in the prime of his career.

I don't think a team with attacking ambitions should settle for him but plenty of teams need a goal scoring option of that caliber.
 
1000% agree with this. Football has changed, more money more challengers. We cannot afford to sit back for 5 years and expect the next Fergie to come along. You either deliver from the start or you leave.

Maybe so but the gist of his tweet is correct, that the management is also effing up and is to blame for all of this. This is what all of us have been saying as well.
 
Well yes, because they play to Zaha's strengths. None of our last 3 mangers have played to the strengths of our players. You can make an argument for van Gaal with Martial and Moyes with Januzaj but the rest of the team suffered in those situations.


Fair point, but what exactly is someone like Mata's strengths? He is quite often our first choice RW, if we centred our gameplan around playing to Juan Mata's strengths, we may as well not bother. A different manager would definitely get us playing better and improve results, but there's no manager out there that can make chicken salad out of some of the chicken shit we have - not just in our squad, but often in our starting 11.
 
Seriously? You'd simplify such deep-rooted issues to that degree? Absolutely no consideration at all should be given at all the players' abilities or attitudes?
I think people are convincing themselves that there is a lot more to the issues of the club than what it really is. The transfer policy and scouting is a mess, and the managerial appointments have been appalling (in hindsight) but before this Pogba fiasco, there hasn't really been problems between staff and/or players. If we can actually stop spunking £150 million every summer on shite players, and start recruiting in a proper direction, we'd be much better off in a couple of years. But if we do the same things we have done the last 6 years, we'll be having the same conversation next season, the season after that, and the season after that.

Half the squad is good enough to be playing better than it is, the other half of it is indeed bang average. Plodders and deadwood like Valencia, Darmian, Rojo all should have been binned a long time ago. But we do have some quality players - Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Alexis (on the decline 6 months prior to joining us). Some players show glimpses of being decent - Shaw, Mata, Pereira, Herrera, Matic - but constantly blow hot and cold because we don't use them properly, trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Make no mistake, I don't think we have a title winning team (incredibly after spending £500 million) but I certainly feel we are playing below where we should be.
 
Fair point, but what exactly is someone like Mata's strengths? He is quite often our first choice RW, if we centred our gameplan around playing to Juan Mata's strengths, we may as well not bother. A different manager would definitely get us playing better and improve results, but there's no manager out there that can make chicken salad out of some of the chicken shit we have - not just in our squad, but often in our starting 11.

Creative player with little pace or strength, he should be at no 10 with pace around him and Lukaku as target. Mou sticks him on the right wing because hes quite disciplined and won't expose his fullback
 
Fair point, but what exactly is someone like Mata's strengths? He is quite often our first choice RW, if we centred our gameplan around playing to Juan Mata's strengths, we may as well not bother. A different manager would definitely get us playing better and improve results, but there's no manager out there that can make chicken salad out of some of the chicken shit we have - not just in our squad, but often in our starting 11.
I agree with you, we certainly aren't going to be near a United team of old with this current crop.

Mata is the perfect example of our awful transfer policy, a player that thrived in a counter attacking team, we bought him stuck him right mid in a 442. We've never set the team up to get the best out of him like Chelsea did and so he looks like he's a waste of space 90% of time compared to his good season at Stamford Bridge. Square pegs in round holes is what we love doing - see Falcao, Alexis, Rashford.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.