Im quite sure I heard them saying to wait till the last 30 seconds before trying any ground and pound.
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The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Im quite sure I heard them saying to wait till the last 30 seconds before trying any ground and pound.
no i think they said wait 30 seconds... then posture up and ground and pound
They might have said something like that for the last round, but they definitely told him to stop passing and instead ground and pound earlier. Rogan even commented on it several times.
Yeah GSP was not happy, and his team were not pleased, and it now becomes a question of not if, but when he's going to slip up again... I'm inclined to say if Dan Hardy was given a second chance in say, 6 months, he could beat GSP, but it would be a bore of a fight.
AKA, move up sir, you're the best WW in MMA history, now re-define your legacy wityh the Spider.
AKA, move up sir, you're the best WW in MMA history, now re-define your legacy wityh the Spider.
You are 100% correct.
i think dan will spend at least 1 year working on his wrestling before he feels ready in himself to take another shot...
just my hunch on that but i think he will want to practice... then maybee gight a wrestler or two... i suppose fitch and kos are the obvious candidates before he had another attempt
Give hardy 10 years of wrestling and he still isn't going to be good enough to stuff GSP.
Hardy has one chance to beat GSP and that is to clip him. 6 months of wrestling training will not make the difference. When guys like Kos and Fitch are not even competitive with the guy and they have dedicated most of their formative/prime years to NCAA Div 1 wrestling, Hardy isn't going to either.
Hardy was stubborn but the fight wasn't even remotely competitive. Hardy threw what, 4 power punches the entire fight? If GSP vacates WW then I think the division will be wide open and the title will be a musical chair. Until then GSP is only going to lose if someone gets lucky and tags him.
The problem with Kos is he thinks he is a striker. I think Fitch would beat Hardy in similar fashion to GSP, but might stuggle with take downs a bit more and therefore give Hardy more chances to actually do something.
IF Kos realized his pedigree was wrestling and he stuck to it more I think he would probably be the no.2 guy in the division.
Id be interested to see how much dan could progress his wrestling if he moved to the states... my gut feel is its the logical step for him... plus work with eddie bravo more and maybee even get a black belt from him...
Long time since I've posted. Some good fights on the weekend. GSP did as expected, Hardy showed some guts and a lot of toughness by not tapping to the armbar and kimura. Not sure if anyone really expected anything different out of that fight, but I didn't. GSP always looks at his opponents weakness and exploits it. Hardy has heavy hands, but his wrestling is suspect, so everyone should have realized the fight wasn't going to be one of those stand and bang type fights. Hardy's ground defence was definitely better than I expected, just needs to develop some sort of wrestling game because at the moment it doesn't look like he has one.
Carwin proved he's for real and Mir proved that he likes getting his face turned to hamburger by 280 pound dudes.
Fitch-Alves would have been a lot better than Fitch-Saunders was.
Carwin proved he's for real and Mir proved that he likes getting his face turned to hamburger by 280 pound dudes.
Fitch-Alves would have been a lot better than Fitch-Saunders was.
no shit long time.
how're things?
how're things?
I feel like Jiu Jitsu is the red headed step child in the MMA trinity. It may have launched modern competitive MMA but I think that it is a bit of a one trick pony at this point. To dominate MMA right now you need a strong wrestling base, and strong striking. In addition you need only enough Jiu Jitsu to know how to not get subbed easily.
I think the problem here lies in the mentality of it. Guys whose greatest strength is their JJ tend to be inadequate wrestlers, believing that they can fight off their back. Top JJ guy after JJ guy have come into the UFC with some of the highest pedigrees imaginable and they get laid on and punched in the face by a strong wrestler with a moderate JJ base. They simply stay safe and out muscle the JJ guy. OR you end up with a guy who can't take the fight to the ground, has sub-par striking and gets lit up.
Right now I don't think the right guys are practitioning Jiu Jitsu. I think it will be the next generation of fighters, kids that are 12-13 now who wrestle in high school AND are learning jiu jitsu, that bring Jitz back as an meaningful discipline to excel at. Guys who are monster wrestlers who can take the fight anywhere they want to and then have the ability to just muscle out submissions and chokes any time they want.
Until that time the pendulum has swung heavily in favor of wrestling and wrestling strikers. Jiu Jitsu is just outgunned right now. Even BJ, who is probably the top BJJ player in all of MMA rarely uses it, he relies on wrestling and his superior boxing.
I think the problem here lies in the mentality of it. Guys whose greatest strength is their JJ tend to be inadequate wrestlers, believing that they can fight off their back. Top JJ guy after JJ guy have come into the UFC with some of the highest pedigrees imaginable and they get laid on and punched in the face by a strong wrestler with a moderate JJ base. They simply stay safe and out muscle the JJ guy. OR you end up with a guy who can't take the fight to the ground, has sub-par striking and gets lit up.
Right now I don't think the right guys are practitioning Jiu Jitsu. I think it will be the next generation of fighters, kids that are 12-13 now who wrestle in high school AND are learning jiu jitsu, that bring Jitz back as an meaningful discipline to excel at. Guys who are monster wrestlers who can take the fight anywhere they want to and then have the ability to just muscle out submissions and chokes any time they want.
Until that time the pendulum has swung heavily in favor of wrestling and wrestling strikers. Jiu Jitsu is just outgunned right now. Even BJ, who is probably the top BJJ player in all of MMA rarely uses it, he relies on wrestling and his superior boxing.
I think Dan is in the mix in a GSPless WW division, IF, he works on his wrastlin' skills. His natural ability to stuff shots has gotten him this far but the elite wrestlers of the division I think will take him down and beat him pretty confidently. To get to that next level to handle the wrestlers, he needs to improve his base. Hardy is the kind of guy who could be devastating from inside a guard and in my opinion the absolute BEST GnP guys do it from inside the guard where they have better control over the other guys positioning and posture.
bjj and wrestling would be less important if they allowed people to kick to the head... like in the old pride days... why pass guard if you can just drop a knee on their face... ala rua style
I think you need a good guard as things stand to but most people are wise enough not to leave arms in there anymore...
if you allow kicks to the head to downed opponents you would see wrestlers shoot in a lot less as well as there is then a real danger to a missed attempt...
but ever since the beast wrestling has probably been the dominant style... certainly in the heavier categories
he for sure needs to wrestle more... we simply dont have the wrestlers in the uk to train it properly... i thinm he has the strength... its just learning to use it mor effectivley... and i think the usa is the place for him to do that...
I don't like soccer kicks or stomps, but I am 100% in favor of knees to the head when a wrestler shoots and has 3 points down. I think soccer kicks and stomps are rather distasteful and the potential for serious head injury is enormous.
id allow them...
and kali sprawls (that would stop wrestlers... possibly too effectivley though)
but if it were me id be all for proper pankration... small joint stuff and all
Small joint would be silly. You'd end up with guys fighting once every 18 months because they all have broken fingers and toes.
you wouldnt have people shooting in and wanting to go to the ground though...
i certainly think they should allow jaw locks...
IM all for soccer kicks and knees to the head. Pride rules....rule
Whats a kali sprawl? They wouldnt allow small joint manipulation. Its just bad for business. Dana would lose so many fights with even more people dropping out, its already ridiculous how many people drop out while in training camps
IM all for soccer kicks and knees to the head. Pride rules....rule
Whats a kali sprawl? They wouldnt allow small joint manipulation. Its just bad for business. Dana would lose so many fights with even more people dropping out, its already ridiculous how many people drop out while in training camps
you use the point of the elbow on the spine in the sprawl... if you can you neck crank with it... and you fall with all your weight through it
(though in kali you would use a knife point / stick instead of the elbow...)
Whats your thoughts on UFC Fight Night on Wed Ezee?
From what I have read Gomi seems a bit of a legend. I have seen Florian fight a couple of times (enjoyed his match vs Clay Guida). Who do you reckon?
Also I assume Stefan Struve is clear favourite over Nelson
From what I have read Gomi seems a bit of a legend. I have seen Florian fight a couple of times (enjoyed his match vs Clay Guida). Who do you reckon?
Also I assume Stefan Struve is clear favourite over Nelson
Im looking forward to andre's fight (its on the undercard)... also ross pearsons fighting and I think they will both win...
I make Roy Nelso favourite over Struve... I have an image of something like a bowling ball hitting a skittle and struve going down with roy landing on top (it could be a big daddy style belly flop finish... no seriousley i fancy nelson in that to take him down and get a victory)...
As for florian I think the last time he lost a fight that wasnt a title fight was 2005... and then he was at 170... I dont think other than his title fights he has lost at 155... I expect him to get through gomi as well
Nelson is a big guy thats for sure. I got the feeling they were not too happy when he won TUF.
But from what I have seen from Struve he looks pretty good. So I will put my 8 months of UFC knowledge to the test and go for a Struve win
But from what I have seen from Struve he looks pretty good. So I will put my 8 months of UFC knowledge to the test and go for a Struve win
UFC Betting Odds
you can get some good odds on that...
ive just seen the odds on daley vs kos... 12/5 on daley... i have stuck some money on that... they are very good odds considering thiago sparked out kos and daley has a LOT more power than thiago
This is a sport, not a fight to the death. I actually did exactly that to a kid in elementary school in a fight he tried to tackle me and I spiked him just below the shoulders with my elbow. When I realized what I had done I thought I had paralyzed the poor bastard. Luckily it just winded him, I was scared to death.
Driving the point of your elbow into the spinal column is absolute lunacy in anything but close quarter combat where your life is on the line.
yeah... i do like my rbma though... as i say im all up for proper pankration on PPV...
and if the televised dog brothers on ppv id get a season ticket!!!... yays proper violenceand as i said at the time the kali style sprawl it would stop the wrestlers shooting in but it might be too effective (ie not have a place in the ring) ... but to me allowing knees to the head would change a lot of the ground game... probably make it a better spectacle as well...
I'm all for knees to head on the ground. Would make it more exciting rathen than the lay n pray we usually see.
UFC GSP Hardy:
Carwin did exactly what I thought he'd do. Definite contender and biggest obstacle to brock. Mir's dropped in the pecking order but a loss to Cain or JDS would propel him back to the forefront (by loss, I mean Cain or JDS losing to other fighters or possibly him although both cain and jds would run him over).
GSP put his gameplan to a T. We watched the fights in a bar close to a friend's house and there was 24 of us there in total. I was the only person rooting for Hardy but after the fight there was at least 4 or 5 of our friends that were coming up to me and telling me how much they like Hardy. He won over a shitload of fighters. Great exposure for him. You knew his talks before was him trying to wind people. He does have class and showed it after the fight. Got nothing but mad love for Hardy. He'll be back in the top 5 battling for a No. 1 spot again soon enough.
Fitch - another jake shields fighter and was bored watching him. Can't wait for Thiago or Daley to knock his ass out.
UFC GSP Hardy:
Carwin did exactly what I thought he'd do. Definite contender and biggest obstacle to brock. Mir's dropped in the pecking order but a loss to Cain or JDS would propel him back to the forefront (by loss, I mean Cain or JDS losing to other fighters or possibly him although both cain and jds would run him over).
GSP put his gameplan to a T. We watched the fights in a bar close to a friend's house and there was 24 of us there in total. I was the only person rooting for Hardy but after the fight there was at least 4 or 5 of our friends that were coming up to me and telling me how much they like Hardy. He won over a shitload of fighters. Great exposure for him. You knew his talks before was him trying to wind people. He does have class and showed it after the fight. Got nothing but mad love for Hardy. He'll be back in the top 5 battling for a No. 1 spot again soon enough.
Fitch - another jake shields fighter and was bored watching him. Can't wait for Thiago or Daley to knock his ass out.
Or Koscheck.
Fitch and Kos are teamates and have said they won't fight each other. Although Dana White has said that if either want a title shot then they will have to fight it out. I honestly don't want to see Fitch on a main card again. The man is fecking boring to watch!
A 3 round Fitch fight is a good time to take a long shit...
Looks like a possible idea, if GSP stays at WW he's the only person competative enough, and the way it went the other night you can easily see the barrier.
And Dan Hardy on another night could have done that, for some reason the Outlaw team didn't use proper strategy in this fight, it was domination by GSP because of poor strategy mixed with poor ground game and a lack of good speed by Hardy... It's a mis-match clearly but given a second chance I think alot would have been done different, I don't know if there was too much GSP could do different than he did.
if he had remembered to keep the thumb up and checked his fulcrum i think he would have broke the arm in the 1st round... but other than that it was another close to perfect gsp performance
jake shields...
out of contract on april 17th... his best weight is 170lbs imo... fantastic record in that division...
come on dana... its the logical fight for gsp...
out of contract on april 17th... his best weight is 170lbs imo... fantastic record in that division...
come on dana... its the logical fight for gsp...
JAKE SHIELDS !!!!!
Jesus christ that would sell a ton
Jesus christ that would sell a ton
Just watched Anderson Silva KO Griff again, and again, and again... That fall away jab will never, ever get old.
The swagger of that whole first round and the professionalism mixed in with cockiness, there is no better than Anderson Silva.
I want to see him and GSP more than Paqman - Mayweather.
The swagger of that whole first round and the professionalism mixed in with cockiness, there is no better than Anderson Silva.
I want to see him and GSP more than Paqman - Mayweather.
Jake shields would get ragdolled by gsp. I would not want to see that fight.
Reckon Silva would walk through gsp.
The two of them are humble martial artists, I think the respect level is there enough that the 2 of them would put in a fight for the ages.
Neither would be too aggressive, but neither would sit back and wait for the pounce.
i think gsp would look to keep it standing if he fought shields as he is probably the better striker and it would be closer on the ground... one of the reasons i think it would be a good match up...
agree about silva and gsp...
one walks round about 40lbs heavoer than the other... thats a huge difference... give gsp to build mass and then maybee its not beyond possibility for him but at the moment i think h=silva is just too big...
silva vs fedor... hummm now there is a fight id like to see... they walk around at a very similar weight... the technical striking of silva with the bjj black belt and long limbs vs the stocky super powerful punching fedor with a very effective sambo ground game... could be a great match up
It's a shame Fedor will never try himself in the UFC.
Anyone watched TUF? That poor guy's nose looked horrible
Anyone watched TUF? That poor guy's nose looked horrible
Struve got smashed... Very impressive from nelson... as the commentators said he threw his ass into that punch
ken flo looked very sharp as well... he must be close to another crack at bj penn
Ross Pearson looked good as well and it was a good fight to watch... and another brit win for andre winner...
decent night all in all... the powercut was annoying though