The MMA thread

JPRouve said:
The problem here is that you do'nt seem to get the context of the posts, someone made the point that he was definitely a Top 10 fighter of all time, all the posts are in that context and I explicitely stated that he was a fantastic fighter like all the fighter that I mentioned, at the exception of Alvarez who is rated by no one.
For me Mendes was a better fighter in his division than Alvarez, the difference is that one had Aldo at the top. McGregor beating Mendes and Aldo was a great feat but it doesn't put you in the top 10 because all the other candidates did the same type of things but with more quantity and longevity.

And I love McGregor the fighter, I'm perfectly able to separate the fighter and the man when I judge his career.
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Sorry if i came across like i was having a go mate, i was making a general point about people in here underrating and playing down his career. You wouldn't be anywhere near the worst in that regard if at all, i don't think he's in the top 10 either not yet anyway. And he's retired again so maybe never now.

One Mendes/Alvarez i like them both and think both are good fighters. Though of the 2 i rate Alvarez higher personally, i think Alvarez possibly isn't rated by a lot of people because McGregor dismantled him. And by a few as a way to discredit McGregors lightweight title win.
 
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Seems Dana is putting off the big fights until theres a live gate so is stringing along fighters with shit matchups so they can't even get the big bucks.
Imagine turning down Jones moving up or whoever Conor wants to face. There looks to be a revolt happenig
 
cyberman said:
Seems Dana is putting off the big fights until theres a live gate so is stringing along fighters with shit matchups so they can't even get the big bucks.
Imagine turning down Jones moving up or whoever Conor wants to face. There looks to be a revolt happenig
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Those guys complaining are some of the best paid fighters. This is just their agents stirring shit just because they want it one way, but it's the other way. Both Jones and Masvidal are Kawa boys (Conor is just doing himself as always, not the first time).

Masvidal is probably the first fighter in history rejecting a title shot. Kawa knows the hype ($) is gone after Usman beats him up, so he asks for more money than what Jorge really is worth and price himself out.

Jones pricing himself out of the Ngannou fight (that he never intended in taking..) is just their agent taking the focus off his last fight (the Reyes robbery) and the rematch that everybody wants except Jones.

There is no revolt happening, just negotiating tactics going on. A revolt would be if the best paid fighters unite and push for a fighter's union.
 
stevoc said:
Sorry if i came across like i was having a go mate, i was making a general point about people in here underrating and playing down his career. You wouldn't be anywhere near the worst in that regard if at all, i don't think he's in the top 10 either not yet anyway. And he's retired again so maybe never now.

One Mendes/Alvarez i like them both and think both are good fighters. Though of the 2 i rate Alvarez higher personally, i think Alvarez possibly isn't rated by a lot of people because McGregor dismantled. And by a few as a way to discredit McGregors lightweight title win.
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I just can't get on board with that bolded part. Eddie's peak was before joining the UFC. Look at his record since he joined:

Loss to cowboy
Split decision win against Giblert
Split decision win against Pettis
Good win against RDA
Lost to McGregor
No contest v Poirier (Alvarez was getting battered until he threw that illegal strike)
Good win v Gaethje
Lost the rematch to Poirier
He's gone 1-1 since joining ONE.

Now that's not exactly some impressive record is it? 5W-4L-1NC, It's actually bang average.

And that's just looking at the stats. When I remember his fights, even in his wins, he didn't exactly look dominant (bar the RDA one).

I've already said on this thread that he ain't no bum, but he's nowhere near the league of most UFC champions of recent times.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I just can't get on board with that bolded part. Eddie's peak was before joining the UFC. Look at his record since he joined:

Loss to cowboy
Split decision win against Giblert
Split decision win against Pettis
Good win against RDA
Lost to McGregor
No contest v Poirier (Alvarez was getting battered until he threw that illegal strike)
Good win v Gaethje
Lost the rematch to Poirier
He's gone 1-1 since joining ONE.

Now that's not exactly some impressive record is it? 5W-4L-1NC, It's actually bang average.

And that's just looking at the stats. When I remember his fights, even in his wins, he didn't exactly look dominant (bar the RDA one).

I've already said on this thread that he ain't no bum, but he's nowhere near the league of most UFC champions of recent times.
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All i said is i think he's a good fighter, i'm not saying he's world class, Goat material or anything. If other people rate him average fair enough.
 
stevoc said:
All i said is i think he's a good fighter, i'm not saying he's world class, Goat material or anything. If other people rate him average fair enough.
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I agree, he's good but I was disagreeing with the notion that people play down his abilities to diminish McGregor's LW title win that's all.
 
George Owen said:
Those guys complaining are some of the best paid fighters. This is just their agents stirring shit just because they want it one way, but it's the other way. Both Jones and Masvidal are Kawa boys (Conor is just doing himself as always, not the first time).

Masvidal is probably the first fighter in history rejecting a title shot. Kawa knows the hype ($) is gone after Usman beats him up, so he asks for more money than what Jorge really is worth and price himself out.

Jones pricing himself out of the Ngannou fight (that he never intended in taking..) is just their agent taking the focus off his last fight (the Reyes robbery) and the rematch that everybody wants except Jones.

There is no revolt happening, just negotiating tactics going on. A revolt would be if the best paid fighters unite and push for a fighter's union.
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Its arguably 3 of the biggest money makers and I even forgot about triple C.
Its not a coincidence
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I agree, he's good but I was disagreeing with the notion that people play down his abilities to diminish McGregor's LW title win that's all.
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Fair enough mate and to be fair to me i only said theres possibly a few who say they don't rate him for that reason.
 
cyberman said:
Its arguably 3 of the biggest money makers and I even forgot about triple C.
Its not a coincidence
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And they are being paid accordingly (remember UFC is not a sport company, but a entertainment company). They want to make Conor money, when they are in different universes in terms of selling power.
 
stevoc said:
Fair enough mate and to be fair to me i only said theres possibly a few who say they don't rate him for that reason.
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You did say that. I apologise if my original response sounded like an attack, that wasn't my intention.
 
George Owen said:
And they are being paid accordingly (remember UFC is not a sport company, but a entertainment company). They want to make Conor money, when they are in different universes in terms of selling power.
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But they arent getting the fights they want because theyre being saved for a live gate. CCC wanted Aldo and that disappeared after injury. Its as if they got demoted.
Fighters only get 18 percent of the revenue and it seems theyve had enough.
We could have 4 of their big earners quit literally within months of each other. Its far from a coincidence.
Im expecting Usman to kick up a fuss soon.
 
cyberman said:
But they arent getting the fights they want because theyre being saved for a live gate. CCC wanted Aldo and that disappeared after injury. Its as if they got demoted.
Fighters only get 18 percent of the revenue and it seems theyve had enough.
We could have 4 of their big earners quit literally within months of each other. Its far from a coincidence.
Im expecting Usman to kick up a fuss soon.
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Until they unionise, they will never change the way UFC calculate their salaries. Pricing themselves out of fights does nothing. Masvidal could call all the shots if he were to beat Usman, but instead he wants to secure the money before the glory. Badddest motherfecker my balls.

Why signing an 8 fight deal if you gonna start complaining after only one fight. Joke of an agent.

I dislike Dana as much as anyone, but when he is right, he is right.

 
So, which fight was a more one-sided title fight/main event: Nunes vs Rousey or Nunes vs Spencer? I mean, Rousey saw the fight stopped, but last night was basically Homer fighting the hobos and then takes on Drederick Tatum (Nunes) who doesn’t get tired.
 
Charlie Foley said:
So, which fight was a more one-sided title fight/main event: Nunes vs Rousey or Nunes vs Spencer? I mean, Rousey saw the fight stopped, but last night was basically Homer fighting the hobos and then takes on Drederick Tatum (Nunes) who doesn’t get tired.
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Spencer did better than Rousey imo. Amanda could've easily ended things earlier last night but the first round KO of Rhonda was really bad.
 
Why is Dana a "character" in UFC?

It's a legitimate sport but that bald cnut is like the Vince McMahon of UFC. Front and centre of absolutely everything.
 
Shane88 said:
Why is Dana a "character" in UFC?

It's a legitimate sport but that bald cnut is like the Vince McMahon of UFC. Front and centre of absolutely everything.
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He's been running the UFC for 20 years and was kept on when it was sold 4 years ago. For better or worse, he does know how to run an MMA business.
 
RedFish said:
@Luke1995

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Hell Yeah! I love these articles! John Nash knows his stuff. Thanks for sharing @RedFish

Luke Thomas by the way, is the only one of the more famous media members to openly make content criticizing UFC. Helwani has turned into a gossip king and pretty much never covers Bellator or other events...
 
I wonder why from 2005 to 2006 the number of PPV buys got much bigger. What or who were the needle movers during that transition ?
 
Luke1995 said:
I wonder why from 2005 to 2006 the number of PPV buys got much bigger. What or who were the needle movers during that transition ?
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PPV numbers went up as the promoting grew - this was also around the time Liddell, Ortiz, Couture, Hughes and others were starting to draw big numbers.
 
Sure. I wasn't really following mma back then. Was GSP already a draw too ?
 
Raoul said:
Dana is apparently worth $500m, so along with the Fertitas and Conor, its easy to see where most of the money went.
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Conor is also underpaid for how much he brings to the UFC. The problem the fighters have is its still their biggest pay day out there and Dana knows it.

They're not arsed about unions they are bothered about themselves and getting their own pay sorted short term, Jones will get a bump in his pay and shut up for example
 
Was listening to Ariel and DC chatting online yesterday. Apparently the topic of Cejudo came up and DC seemed to suggest Cejudo is still angling for another fight against Volkanovski. Apparently the UFC aren't interested in this.
 
Just one very, very, very last payday for DC? :p
 
Grylte said:
Just one very, very, very last payday for DC? :p
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I worry it will finish off Stipe’s eyes before it finishes off DC!

Regardless, am really looking forward to that one. I really enjoyed the second fight and it’s a true trilogy that deserves to happen.

Giving Burns the title opportunity so quickly is THE big message to all of those protesting. If you don’t fight, we move on.
 
Zen said:
Mayweather didn't do it to this level .... retired after Hatton, which everyone knew was just a hiatus, then after Berto only to "come out" for the Conor exhibition... which is all he'll come back for now.

Sugar Ray probably the worst for it.
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Truth. The only reason it feels to some as though Floyd keeps retiring is because other fighters and pundits obsessively call for him to fight people despite him being retired.

Conor is embarrassing himself with all of this talk without ever fighting. People don't take him seriously anymore.
 
Not to return to a fairly pointless discussion but where would ye rank DC in an all time list?

Obviously he isn't in the top tier (especially considering how Jones fights went) but then few are. Beyond that though he's been champion at two weight classes, defended at two weight classes, beaten the most successful heavyweight in the history of the UFC (and now has an opportunity to do so a second time), has won a title in every promotion he's fought in and fought clean the entire time. Not too shabby a resume.
 
sullydnl said:
Not to return to a fairly pointless discussion but where would ye rank DC in an all time list?

Obviously he isn't in the top tier (especially considering how Jones fights went) but then few are. Beyond that though he's been champion at two weight classes, defended at two weight classes, beaten the most successful heavyweight in the history of the UFC (and now has an opportunity to do so a second time), has won a title in every promotion he's fought in and fought clean the entire time. Not too shabby a resume.
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Top tier for sure. Only ever lost to two fighters and one of those was Jon Jones who is firstly regarded by some as arguably the greatest ever and secondly tested positive for steroids after the second fight. Only other guy to beat him was Stipe and Cormier was 40 years old at that point and it was a close fight and was against a guy who knocked out not long before.

Dominated most of the people he fought. Has been champion at both LHW and HW which is absolutely insane and hasn't been done by anybody else in the UFC. Never shyed away from top competition. He's without a doubt one of the greatest ever even with the three losses on his record.
 
JP77 said:
Top tier for sure. Only ever lost to two fighters and one of those was Jon Jones who is firstly regarded by some as arguably the greatest ever and secondly tested positive for steroids after the second fight. Only other guy to beat him was Stipe and Cormier was 40 years old at that point and it was a close fight and was against a guy who knocked out not long before.

Dominated most of the people he fought. Has been champion at both LHW and HW which is absolutely insane and hasn't been done by anybody else in the UFC. Never shyed away from top competition. He's without a doubt one of the greatest ever even with the three losses on his record.
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I second this completely. He didn’t just go up and beat a Sylvia, he went up and beat one of the greatest HW of all time.

Jones fans don’t like it, nor do I, but there will always be question marks around any steroid user. It’s annoying because it muddies the picture, but there is no way around it.
 
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