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Oggmonster said:
I don't think he even said it as a way of insulting his religion on purpose. I don't think he was even thinking about that. Think people are clutching at straws with it really.
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Zebs said:
There was no reference to religion by Conor at any point. People are just inserting that for their own agendas.
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Khabib wasn't suddenly Muslim, and it's not a secret that muslims who tend to pray also don't drink. For Conor to offer a whisky and then insult him for refusing? That shit wasn't a mistake and I'm not the only Muslim who noticed or was offended.

I'm also cognitive enough to know that Conor obviously did it for the promotion and he isn't some hateful man, but that doesn't absolve him of his public faux pas
 
About the fighters, am I wrong in thinking that Khabib has a strong chin? In several fights he has been caught with power punches and took them well, he probably isn't as solid as Conor but I think that it's an important factor when he is facing strikers.
 
duffer said:
What did you think he said to be worse than that?!?
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Well people who kept mentioning it were saying his remarks were disparaging to Khabib's religion or his mental faculties etc. when the actual quote from McGregor was just about him not drinking.
 
Vato said:
That's why I said most of them and not all of them.
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It's still a bit of a generalization. I have seen plenty of his fans criticise the bus thing for example. Maybe not the Aldo one as much as that wasn't really that bad (Aldo was laughing about it)

RedTiger said:
Khabib wasn't suddenly Muslim, and it's not a secret that muslims who tend to pray also don't drink. For Conor to offer a whisky and then insult him for refusing? That shit wasn't a mistake and I'm not the only Muslim who noticed or was offended.

I'm also cognitive enough to know that Conor obviously did it for the promotion and he isn't some hateful man, but that doesn't absolve him of his public faux pas
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I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake I just don't think he was intentionally saying saying stuff about his religion to stir up a fight. I think it was an honest slip up like I said.

For example I think he researched the stuff about ali Abbdelaziz and was waiting for a time to use it. I think the drinking stuff was very spur of the moment and he got caught up in it all. I can appreciate it may cause offence to people though, I just don't think it's fair to make it a worse thing than was intended though.
 
Zebs said:
People bringing up the Aldo thing are laughable and clutching at straws. He had no intention of touching Aldo, so it's not remotely comparable. It was his marketing brain promoting the next fight from the very first second.
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What about at the weigh-in with Khabib? Did he have no intention of touching him either when he punched his arm and threw a kick at him?

Seriously, Conor does so much shit like this that everyone forgets half of it. Just find it funny that a fighter who loses his cool one fecking time is in danger of being stripped while the other one has done way worse things without anyone batting an eye lid.
 
Vato said:
What about at the weigh-in with Khabib? Did he have no intention of touching him either when he punched his arm and threw a kick at him?
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What has this got to do with the Aldo situation?

Seriously, Conor does so much shit like this that everyone forgets half of it. Just find it funny that a fighter who loses his cool one fecking time is in danger of being stripped while the other one has done way worse things without anyone batting an eye lid.
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This isn't true. He gets criticised more than anyone and, in most cases, rightfully so.
 
RussellWilson said:
If Khabib wasn't such a openly proud muslim from Caucasus', I very much doubt he would have chosen that form of wording. He wouldn't call a British or American fighter backwards. I doubt he'd even call a White Christian Russian backward.
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Nah these insults designed to wind people up are standard from McGregor no matter where his opponent is from. He called Poirier a backwards hillbilly from the arsehole of nowhere or something similar.
 
Emmet said:
I'm no fecking expert but surely that rear naked choke wasn't even in tight at the neck? Tapped from a chin hold? McGregor would need about a 5 year camp to combat that animal Khabib, he has nothing as soon as the fight gets into the grapple/ground
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We kinda already knew that beforehand though didn't we? I mean Khabib's total dominance on the ground was the least surprising thing about the fight.

I think if McGregor were to win a rematch it would be because his striking had improved (or was at least as good as we expected it to be) rather than his ground game. Khabib shouldn't have been able to match him standing in the way that he did. That's what really killed McGregor as his only chance of winning was to light Khabib up anyway.
 
RobinLFC said:
“A man with principles” Feck off :lol:

People are justifying his actiond cos McGregor provoked him, “insulted his religion and his country”, my goodness. Does his religion say that you should beat someone up if he criticizes said religion or what? He showed himself a classless thug just like McGregor has in the past, he’s no better going off his actions after the fight. Religion or pride doesn’t excuse shit. Looks to me like they’re a bit behind on civilization where’s he from, his gang looks like a tribe who can’t see that McGregor actually doesn’t give a shit about any of them but just wants to hype up the fight with inflammatory comments about whichever topic he can think of. If you can’t put yourself above that, you’re no better than the one making the comments.
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What is this 'behind on civilization' shit? Who decided that modern western civilzation is the answer to everything? You count for a small fraction of the world population, yet somehow feel you have moral authority on what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't.
 
A lot of people saying that it's all fair and game for McGregor to say what he wants about religion, politics etc. Do those of you who feel this way think it would be ok if McGregor started calling Mayweather the N word or calling someone a faggot if they were gay?

Not being facetious, genuinely asking...
 
Dirty Schwein said:
A lot of people saying that it's all fair and game for McGregor to say what he wants about religion, politics etc. Do those of you who feel this way think it would be ok if McGregor started calling Mayweather the N word or calling someone a faggot if they were gay?

Not being facetious, genuinely asking...
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How is that even close to being the same?
 
antihenry said:
What is this 'behind on civilization' shit? Who decided that modern western civilzation is the answer to everything? You count for a small fraction of the world population, yet somehow feel you have moral authority on what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't.
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If it isn't acceptable in my part of the world to attack someone when they attack you/your religion and it is acceptable or justifiable behaviour in another part of the world, I know which part I want to live in.

On top of that, the fight and the incidents happened in "modern western civilization" so one should act according to their rules and values, not to what they're accostumed to at home. If McGregor went to Dagestan and acted the way he did, it'd be a different story. Alas, it isn't.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
A lot of people saying that it's all fair and game for McGregor to say what he wants about religion, politics etc. Do those of you who feel this way think it would be ok if McGregor started calling Mayweather the N word or calling someone a faggot if they were gay?

Not being facetious, genuinely asking...
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What did he say that is anywhere near as bad as that though?

He said he's a backwards cnut for not drinking which is the religious part. I'm not saying that's fine but I don't think it was a religious thing McGregor meant I think it was just heat of the moment. To be honest I'd say his "i'm black from the waste down" thing was worse than what he said to Khabib cos he obviously meant that one.
 
A lot of people getting carried away about the behaviour of people in MMA. It's glorified cage fighting, what do you expect?
 
Oggmonster said:
What did he say that is anywhere near as bad as that though?

He said he's a backwards cnut for not drinking which is the religious part. I'm not saying that's fine but I don't think it was a religious thing McGregor meant I think it was just heat of the moment. To be honest I'd say his "i'm black from the waste down" thing was worse than what he said to Khabib cos he obviously meant that one.
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Never said it's near as bad or not. Just wondering people's stance on "you can say whatever you want to promote a fight".

Didn't he call two black security guards monkeys and told Mayweather to "dance for me boy" and also throw around some homophobic slurs in the past?

I don't pay attention to these pressers too much, I pretty much just watch the fights so I may be wrong on this but McGregor seems like a racist, homophobic bigot.
 
Escobar said:
Wow, this back and forth on social media and even in this thread became tiresome.
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Ain't it. I was annoyed that it was locked the other day due to a couple of muppets but perhaps it needs locking again until people want to get back to talking about the sport. Who cares who the biggest twunt is. You don't agree, move on. I don't want to read another 3 pages of assorted whataboutisms.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Never said it's near as bad or not. Just wondering people's stance on "you can say whatever you want to promote a fight".

Didn't he call two black security guards monkeys and told Mayweather to "dance for me boy" and also throw around some homophobic slurs in the past?

I don't pay attention to these pressers too much, I pretty much just watch the fights so I may be wrong on this but McGregor seems like a racist, homophobic bigot.
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I don't think they can say what they want no, obviously there's boundaries. Equally I think people do try and find fault in stuff where there is no malice there.

Yeah he did, some of the stuff in the build up to all that was weird. It started quite entertaining, went downhill very fast. There was one of them (I can't remember which City) it was the most uncomfortably awkward unfunny press conference I've seen.

It did give us stuff like FORM VOLTRON though so it had it's moments.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Ain't it. I was annoyed that it was locked the other day due to a couple of muppets but perhaps it needs locking again until people want to get back to talking about the sport. Who cares who the biggest twunt is. You don't agree, move on. I don't want to read another 3 pages of assorted whataboutisms.
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For me, the sad part is that no one speaks about the amazing fights anymore. Reyes was very good I thought, Ferguson vs. Pitti was another great great fight, and the main event was also quite impressive.
 
Escobar said:
For me, the sad part is that no one speaks about the amazing fights anymore. Reyes was very good I thought, Ferguson vs. Pitti was another great great fight, and the main event was also quite impressive.
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Yeah I was bit gutted that the Ferguson v Pettis fight ended Round 2 but hindsight it was most probably a great call by Rufus to take his fighter out. I don't think I've ever seen such a relentless come forward fighter as Ferguson (maybe prime Nick Diaz) and he knows that he can break 99% of guys with sheer workrate alone. People keep saying Khabib has a great gas tank but I think Ferguson has the edge on him here. Of course it would remain to be seen how much Khabibs ground game would take out of his tank which is a situation he'd inevitably find himself in at some point. I really wanna see that fight.
 
Conor's absolutely delusional if he thinks he can spin Saturday night into a win for him or his team.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Never said it's near as bad or not. Just wondering people's stance on "you can say whatever you want to promote a fight".

Didn't he call two black security guards monkeys and told Mayweather to "dance for me boy" and also throw around some homophobic slurs in the past?

I don't pay attention to these pressers too much, I pretty much just watch the fights so I may be wrong on this but McGregor seems like a racist, homophobic bigot.
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He called Dennis Siver a Nazi too and his comment to Aldo about riding into his favela on horseback was obviously a loaded one as well. There's no doubt that he has a history of racially loaded comments.
 
These two need to take a lesson from Silva and Sonnen. I remember at the time some fans couldn't see Chael was just playing a character and even if they didn't like it, Chael was genuinely funny. He never used bad language or violence and the worst stuff he ever said was so mild it's cringe worthy anyone got upset. After the fight Silva was incredibly humble in victory, invited Chael to a BBQ. They shook hands and that was it. Chael turned up to the press conferences and took his humiliation like a man.

Connor went way overboard in my opinion. Sometimes he is very funny, but it's always too aggressive and way too personal. It's not exactly "I'm going to pat your old lady on the ass and tell her cook me a steak." Connor was calliing them terrorists and insulting Khabibs father. Then after the fight Khabib did the complete opposite of how Silva behaved. Then Connor does no interviews and puts out a tweet. If you are going to do all that trash talk, you have to be man enough to face the cameras afterwards, even thought it will be incredibly tough and you will be feeling very humiliated etc.
 
redmeister said:
These two need to take a lesson from Silva and Sonnen. I remember at the time some fans couldn't see Chael was just playing a character and even if they didn't like it, Chael was genuinely funny. He never used bad language or violence and the worst stuff he ever said was so mild it's cringe worthy anyone got upset. After the fight Silva was incredibly humble in victory, invited Chael to a BBQ. They shook hands and that was it. Chael turned up to the press conferences and took his humiliation like a man.

Connor went way overboard in my opinion. Sometimes he is very funny, but it's always too aggressive and way too personal. It's not exactly "I'm going to pat your old lady on the ass and tell her cook me a steak." Connor was calliing them terrorists and insulting Khabibs father. Then after the fight Khabib did the complete opposite of how Silva behaved. Then Connor does no interviews and puts out a tweet. If you are going to do all that trash talk, you have to be man enough to face the cameras afterwards, even thought it will be incredibly tough and you will be feeling very humiliated etc.
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That last bit is key IMO. You can maybe argue that McGregor is “just selling fights” if he showed a bit of class in defeat. Without that, all the classless bollox leading up to the fight just looks like the actions of a classless twat.

Khabib comes across as a twat too. Losing his cool, then whining about how McGregor called him mean names. Fecking grow up.
 
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Dana said somewhere that Conor and his team were escorted from the building before the press conference for security reasons. They didn't want both teams hanging around the building for too long. Nevada State Athletic Commission interviewed Conor and then they all left, hence no interviews.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Yeah I was bit gutted that the Ferguson v Pettis fight ended Round 2 but hindsight it was most probably a great call by Rufus to take his fighter out. I don't think I've ever seen such a relentless come forward fighter as Ferguson (maybe prime Nick Diaz) and he knows that he can break 99% of guys with sheer workrate alone. People keep saying Khabib has a great gas tank but I think Ferguson has the edge on him here. Of course it would remain to be seen how much Khabibs ground game would take out of his tank which is a situation he'd inevitably find himself in at some point. I really wanna see that fight.
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If anyone is going to beat Khabib it's Ferguson. It's a cursed fight though so I ain't gonna hold my breath. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Khabib gets a 6-12 month ban and we see Tony v McGregor instead.
 
Zebs said:
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Dana said somewhere that Conor and his team were escorted from the building before the press conference for security reasons. They didn't want both teams hanging around the building for too long. Nevada State Athletic Commission interviewed Conor and then they all left, hence no interviews.
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Post-fight interview aside, his social media stuff since the fight is pretty pathetic.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That last bit is key IMO. You can maybe argue that McGregor is “just selling fights” if he showed a bit of class in defeat. Without that, all the classless bollox leading up to the fight just looks like the actions of a classless twat.

Khabib comes across as a twat too. Losing his cool, then whining about how McGregor called him mean names. Fecking grow up.
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After I made that post I searched for the ufc 148 post fight press conference and so worth watching after this weekends events, especially the 4 min mark of this clip here:



Silva was a proper gent and completely humble in victory. At the time I didn't think too much about how Chael handled defeat, but looking back it was so commendable.

The build up to those fights was fun. The Connor Khabib thing went too far and in the end even the fans started getting into fights with each other.

Ok Chael's insults were nowhere near as vicious, but Silva was under tremendous pressure to take offence as many were trying to turn into national issue and Silva was defending the Brazilian people. But once the fight was over, it was done in his mind, he praised Chael and even invited him for BBQ. Such a great way to handle victory over an antagonistic opponent. Khabib was a total dick in comparison to Silva.
 
sullydnl said:
If anyone is going to beat Khabib it's Ferguson. It's a cursed fight though so I ain't gonna hold my breath. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Khabib gets a 6-12 month ban and we see Tony v McGregor instead.
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Ferguson is very hittable so McGregor would have a better chance in this match. It feels like a loop. I feel:

McGregor can beat Ferguson
Ferguson can beat Khabib
Khabib can beat McGregor
 
sullydnl said:
If anyone is going to beat Khabib it's Ferguson. It's a cursed fight though so I ain't gonna hold my breath. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Khabib gets a 6-12 month ban and we see Tony v McGregor instead.
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Yeah I think a long ban is inevitable which would probably mean interim belt again and as you say potentially Ferguson vs McGregor. Not sure if Conor has the heart for it any more though because if he takes that fight I suspect he'll get his arse handed to him again.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Ferguson is very hittable so McGregor would have a better chance in this match. It feels like a loop. I feel:

McGregor can beat Ferguson
Ferguson can beat Khabib
Khabib can beat McGregor
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Basically paper rock scissors with headkicks. What's not to like?
 
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