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C'mon.... you don't lean your head back like that, ever, and certainly not to entertain a crowd. It's a flaw. Nothing to do with his offense, as it's a defensive problem.

Anderson getting clipped is nothing like the same kind of thing! I can't believe you even made that comparison!
Yes, regurgitating Joe Rogan's commentary. :rolleyes:

I expected Ngannou to fight his fight and not come out uncharacteristically believing the hype.
My point is, after your analysis being so utterly, unequivocally, spectacularly wrong, you might consider that maybe you aren't quite as knowledgeable as you previously believed. That's all.

And you've said exactly what Rogan said on commentary. And Rogan is an exaggerating, excitable tool. He even issued an apology for said commentary.
 
C'mon.... you don't lean your head back like that, ever, and certainly not to entertain a crowd. It's a flaw. Nothing to do with his offense, as it's a defensive problem.

Anderson getting clipped is nothing like the same kind of thing! I can't believe you even made that comparison!
Yes, regurgitating Joe Rogan's commentary. :rolleyes:

I expected Ngannou to fight his fight and not come out uncharacteristically believing the hype.

Like I said, he was messing around, as was Anderson Silva who was showboating and leaning backwards v Weidman. Aldo got TKO'd by McGregor by lunging at him, as did Werdum v Miocic. Sometimes people get KO'd going backwards sometimes its forwards. You can't apply standard non MMA boxing methodologies such as those employed by actual professional boxers into MMA fights. It simply doesn't work that way.
 
My point is, after your analysis being so utterly, unequivocally, spectacularly wrong, you might consider that maybe you aren't quite as knowledgeable as you previously believed. That's all.

And you've said exactly what Rogan said on commentary. And Rogan is an exaggerating, excitable tool. He even issued an apology for said commentary.
I think you're a bit excitable here not me, as you seem to want to get personal or have a particular glee in typing as you have.

Seemingly forgetting I hadn't a problem with being wrong, but not expecting Ngannou to betray the fighting style that got him the title shot in the first place.

But do carry on, it seems to make you happy.

Pointing out Khabib held his head far too high is exaggerating?

Anyway, I don't know why I'm typing this out, so I'll stop.
 
I think you're a bit excitable here not me, as you seem to want to get personal or have a particular glee in typing as you have.

Seemingly forgetting I hadn't a problem with being wrong, but not expecting Ngannou to betray the fighting style that got him the title shot in the first place.

But do carry on, it seems to make you happy.

Pointing out Khabib held his head far too high is exaggerating?

Anyway, I don't know why I'm typing this out, so I'll stop.
You seem a little thin skinned so I'll leave you to it.
 
Like I said, he was messing around, as was Anderson Silva who was showboating and leaning backwards v Weidman. Aldo got TKO'd by McGregor by lunging at him, as did Werdum v Miocic. Sometimes people get KO'd going backwards sometimes its forwards. You can't apply standard non MMA boxing methodologies such as those employed by actual professional boxers into MMA fights. It simply doesn't work that way.
That was not showboating....
 
Like I said, he was messing around, as was Anderson Silva who was showboating and leaning backwards v Weidman. Aldo got TKO'd by McGregor by lunging at him, as did Werdum v Miocic. Sometimes people get KO'd going backwards sometimes its forwards. You can't apply standard non MMA boxing methodologies such as those employed by actual professional boxers into MMA fights. It simply doesn't work that way.
Yep. It's funny, Rogan said that Brendan Schaub texted him immediately after the fight saying 'Ferguson beats Khabib'.

You would think a former pro fighter would have more sense, but apparently not.
 
That was not showboating....

Call it what you want. Khabib was clearly not attempting to win the fight when he allowed it to go to stand up from rounds 3 and beyond. Therefore your hillarious "he was leaning backwards therefore he has serious holes in his standup thesis" may be wildly off. If wanted to win the fight he would've done so.
 
No, but you seem to enjoy your slant a little too much. I'm guessing you're not a teenager, or even a young 20 something, so the barbs must be something else.
I think you mean you clicked on my profile, saw my age, and decided to vaguely attempt to get 'personal'. Lame.
 
Bit too much mythos around Khabib for my liking. He's as overrated here as GGG is in the boxing thread. That's not to say they're not both great at what they do, but the overall tableaux of them being from another planet is OTT.

The whole time Khabib kept leaning back with his chin sky high and only linear movement backward, it felt like he could have been KO'd at any time, but Laquinta was either caught up in the moment, or just not bright enough to feint the initial punch, step-in and smashu that open jaw.

Honestly, the entire fight beyond the 2nd round, I was fearing he'd get caught and ruin the whole fight map for 2018 in the process.

Khabib was clearly testing out stuff from the gym and trying to put on a show with his actions beyond the second round, but in the process has inadvertantly exposed more flaws in his standup than he should have done. Those traits he has are instinctual and will take years, if ever, to shake - that thing of leaning back, in line, with his chin in the clouds is habitual and it's not going to change. That will have given both Ferguson and Conor's camps something to work with that they shouldn't have even got the chance to find out about. That same head movement vs Ferguson would get Khabib's head kicked off; vs Conor, he'll be feinted and put on the end of a bomb, which, if it doesn't end the fight, will have him wobbled and primed for finishing.

It's obvious Khabib will stick tightly to his initial strategy of the first two rounds vs either Conor or Tony as it's a given he won't engage in standup like he did in this fight, but they have a standing game he will have no choice but to respect. Khabib's shooting is not good. It's element of risk is much higher than that of collegiate wrestlers who explode with everything they have and tackle at mid-riff. Woodley, Cormier, GSP and the like run much less of a gauntlet initially than the Maier's and Khabib's who tend to go for the lower leg or a slowish surge for a thigh. That is risky once the fight goes past a few rounds. Khabib's stamina isn't a patch on Ferguson's and I really think you guys who have the notion Ferguson would get mauled in there are seriously underestimating the components that give that a chance of happening - unless Ferguson purposely engages to put himself in harms way, Khabib has a nightmare trying to lay hands on him.

I actually really like Khabib, and the stuff he does once he gets in is a work of art, but he is one-dimensional and he has flaws. And that plodding forward because his opponent is terrified, thing, is not going to work at the highest level - he'll have to do more if he's to be a long-term belt holder. Unlike other wrestlers who have been champion for an extended period of time, Khabib doesn't carry multiple threats. GSP, Woodley, Cormier all three of them are rock-solid standing up, and three of them can put opponents through the ringer without the bout going to the ground even once. The same can't be said of Khabib and he's now going to be fighting people who can take his standing work to pieces. Wherever he goes from here, there are excellent fights to be made and massive amount of risk. Exciting times!
^my initial post.

Call it what you want. Khabib was clearly not attempting to win the fight when he allowed it to go to stand up from rounds 3 and beyond. Therefore your hillarious "he was leaning backwards therefore he has serious holes in his standup thesis" may be wildly off. If wanted to win the fight he would've done so.
You're talking about something tangential that I initially said anyway.

It's not just boxing... it's even more important not to do that when legs are involved...
 
I don't know why, either, you said you'd stop. Put me on ignore. If I do it to you this thread disappears as you are the thread starter.
Only one of us is acting like a gleeful child with some kind of vendetta. I've no reason to put you on ignore beings as I've no issue with you.
 
You can argue Tony, Connor or Khabib being the better fighter by many angles and you'd all be correct! That's what's so crazy about that trio and that's why its so interesting.

If any of these three fight each other, and that's a massive if, it will be an amazing fight.
 
Yep. It's funny, Rogan said that Brendan Schaub texted him immediately after the fight saying 'Ferguson beats Khabib'.

You would think a former pro fighter would have more sense, but apparently not.

Schaub is a world class buffoon. The guy is basically the Big Head from Silicon Valley of MMA. He was handed a podcasting career from his buddy Joe Rogan, and somehow the guy is falling ass backwards into opportunity after opportunity. He isn't smart, funny or insightful. I just hope he enjoys the ride before all these big media outlets figure out the guy is useless! So I wouldn't take anything Schaub says on anything as worthy of consideration based on his "expertise".
 
Bet you guys can't wait for this one :)

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