Television The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

pacifictheme said:
Any theories on who sauron is yet?
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It's a mystery :lol:

shaggy said:
What's all the moaning about the script?

"We are creations of the One, Master of the Secret Fire, the same as you. As worthy of the breath of life and just as worthy of a home."

How is this bad writing?
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This is actually very good writing. Is it a problem when you're totally rooting for the baddies though? And basically thinking the elves are a bunch of racist elitists? Adar is far and away the best character in the show which I'm not sure was what the writers intended.
 
RedSky said:
Personally I don't think he's been seen in the show yet. I think it's pretty clear who Halbrand is though, I'm fully onboard that he's
The King of the Dead that Aragorn meets in ROTK.
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Do you think
Halbrand could still be Sauron? It looked they were veering away from that possibility, but if you think about it Sauron could’ve take on a new form after Adar ‘killed’ him and that’s why he wants to kill Adar. That would explain why Halbrand recognizes him but Adar doesn’t recognize Halbrand. It is looking less likely but not impossible yet.

Also I guess he’s not Theo’s father, but Theo is totally a future Nazgûl regardless.
 
glazed said:
This is actually very good writing. Is it a problem when you're totally rooting for the baddies though?
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Absolutely not.
glazed said:
And basically thinking the elves are a bunch of racist elitists?
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Yes, the elves have a supremacist side to them that is indeed problematic. So?
glazed said:
Adar is far and away the best character in the show which I'm not sure was what the writers intended.
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How does this matter or is it relevant? You're just twisting this to put it in the minus column for the writers for some weird reason because you've decided you hated the show (you can carry on repeating that you like "this fan fiction approach" or whatever, but you very blatantly don't)
 
And the proto hobbits or whatever they're called can be cnuts. Thankfully not the cute ones Tolkien shared with the world. Shades of grey are great.
 
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Spoony said:
And the proto hobbits or whatever they're called can be cnuts. Thankfully not that cute ones Tolkien shared with the world. Shades of grey are great.
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I re-watched the series (whilst fast-forwarding through most of Numenor) as well as Fellowship of the Ring (yes I have no life), and it occurred to me they’re not all that different to the hobbits in the movies. Not all hobbits were sweet souls like Sam and Rosie or Pippin; they were hyper-judgmental, conservative, and xenophobic.

They totally would have left people behind that weren’t getting in line.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
I re-watched the series (whilst fast-forwarding through most of Numenor) as well as Fellowship of the Ring (yes I have no life), and it occurred to me they’re not all that different to the hobbits in the movies. Not all hobbits were sweet souls like Sam and Rosie or Pippin; they were hyper-judgmental, conservative, and xenophobic.
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Yes they were absolutely meant to be a representation of the British people.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
I re-watched the series (whilst fast-forwarding through most of Numenor) as well as Fellowship of the Ring (yes I have no life), and it occurred to me they’re not all that different to the hobbits in the movies. Not all hobbits were sweet souls like Sam and Rosie or Pippin; they were hyper-judgmental, conservative, and xenophobic.

They totally would have left people behind that weren’t getting in line.
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I'll have to rewatch the movies.
 
pacifictheme said:
Any theories on who sauron is yet?
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My guess is Halbrand. He tried to get work as a blacksmith in Numenor but was refused cos he didnt have the right paperwork. He has also got on the good side of Galadriel who can put a word in with Celembrimbor to give him a bit of work as an apprentice ringmaker to learn the craft. My guess is they will end up in Eregion when the rings are being made. He is playing the game as a good guy which is the only way he will end up getting his foot in the door to learn magic ring craft.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Absolutely not.

Yes, the elves have a supremacist side to them that is indeed problematic. So?

How does this matter or is it relevant? You're just twisting this to put it in the minus column for the writers for some weird reason because you've decided you hated the show (you can carry on repeating that you like "this fan fiction approach" or whatever, but you very blatantly don't)
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I don't hate it at all but there's clearly a lot that needs fixing. Adar though is definitely one of the show's big plusses even if I question whether the writers have allowed the material to run out of their control and where can they go with this?

It is telling that if you apply a modern progressive lens to Tolkien's work then the Orcs are essentially an abused minority, and the elves are the villains here because they are explicitly quite happy to commit genocide upon them, while Morgoth is simply a free thinker. The elves are superior only by dint of their physical beauty, their racial purity compared to Adar and their pretty architecture - which was pretty much the basis of real world 1930s fascism.

If you follow that logic to its conclusion then this series is going to become totally unhinged before long.
 
djembatheking said:
My guess is Halbrand. He tried to get work as a blacksmith in Numenor but was refused cos he didnt have the right paperwork. He has also got on the good side of Galadriel who can put a word in with Celembrimbor to give him a bit of work as an apprentice ringmaker to learn the craft. My guess is they will end up in Eregion when the rings are being made. He is playing the game as a good guy which is the only way he will end up getting his foot in the door to learn magic ring craft.
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Think the same. Theres been hints throughout. He might be a red herring. They might play with the possibility for a couple of seasons and just make him the king of the dead or the Witch King instead. Keep people guessing.
 
caid said:
Think the same. Theres been hints throughout. He might be a red herring. They might play with the possibility for a couple of seasons and just make him the king of the dead or the Witch King instead. Keep people guessing.
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He could be the Witch King or the King of the dead, true and Sauron might not even have appeared yet. What about the dude dressed in white that was following Meteor Man ?
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Do you think
Halbrand could still be Sauron? It looked they were veering away from that possibility, but if you think about it Sauron could’ve take on a new form after Adar ‘killed’ him and that’s why he wants to kill Adar. That would explain why Halbrand recognizes him but Adar doesn’t recognize Halbrand. It is looking less likely but not impossible yet.

Also I guess he’s not Theo’s father, but Theo is totally a future Nazgûl regardless.
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Nah, I have never once thought Halbrand was Sauron, he fits the lore of being the King of the Dead far, far better. It states that the people of the Dead had once sided with Sauron in the 1st Age and pledged an oath to come to Gondors aid and more importantly Elendil during the 2nd Age. They then broke that oath before the Last Alliance battle, thus they were cursed. What we've seen of the Southlanders this story fits in well.

As for Theo, I think he might end up being half elf blood, which part of me would be a bit miffed as it breaks lore, but it would be an interesting story arc. Would explain Theo's initial dislike of the Elves, would explain why Arondir behaves the way he does around him. It's just a hunch, might be way off.
 
If they actually insert a Twilight style 'romance' between Galadriel & Sauron in this farce it might just be the stupidest thing i've ever seen in a TV show
 
John_Jensen said:
If they actually insert a Twilight style 'romance' between Galadriel & Sauron in this farce it might just be the stupidest thing i've ever seen in a TV show
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Omg that has to happen. Shipping Galadrrrrion big time. And then Celeborn turns up.
 
Just watched the last episode, again, and it is actually really good. I feel watching this from beginning to end, without weekly breaks, would suit this series far more.
 
My favourite thing about this show is that they make all the royalty have dead posh accents, all the hobbit types thick Irish bastards, and then all the peasants are from Yorkshire

"Is thee Sauron? Eee bah gum"
 
Seems kinda cool to shit on this show online. Is it on par with the film's? No it was never going to be.

Is it still a good series that shows promise? Yes! Getting better each episode and it's nice to not know where things are going.
 
Galadriel is amazing. She's kick ass and noble but as Adar notes has a darkness to her, a streak of unpleasantness that lurks below the surface. Those two characters are sublime. It's easy to see why she causes such exasperation to the elf high command. And why greasy-palmed incels hate her guts.

The criticism surrounding Galadriel preventing Halbrand from killing Adar is weird. She tells Adar he will be last to die, then threatens to kill him but only after being roused to anger, and somehow this is considered unforgiveable writing and contradictory plot holing. When its sequential nature is entirely consistent with the passage of time, chain of events, fundamental laws of thermodynamics, yadayada. Furthermore its a sequence that reinforces each of their characters: Galadriel being quick to anger and impulsive and Adar being an arch manipulator of emotions. The nature of the sequence is even spelled out in the following conversation.

And why does Galadriel + horse, in any/every situation stir such apoplexy among certain types. I feel totally out of the loop with why she attracts such clownish objections.

So many of the criticisms of the show demonstrate a real low level of thought and attention. Cinemasins has bred a generation of right fecking dweeb idiots. I mean really, battle tactics and Volcanic fluviology? Do me a favour luv.

Also why is Sauron Guess Who such a big thing? Did I miss something in the show or surrounding lore about him being a plain sight Fu Manchu that will need to be suddenly unmasked. I feel like a chump watching the show, naively assuming he has yet to turn up, whilst others are out here Joe Mccarthying every shard of Mithril.

I mean it's a good show with a couple of exceptional elements.
 
dumbo said:
Galadriel is amazing. She's kick ass and noble but as Adar notes has a darkness to her, a streak of unpleasantness that lurks below the surface. Those two characters are sublime. It's easy to see why she causes such exasperation to the elf high command. And why greasy-palmed incels hate her guts.

The criticism surrounding Galadriel preventing Halbrand from killing Adar is weird. She tells Adar he will be last to die, then threatens to kill him but only after being roused to anger, and somehow this is considered unforgiveable writing and contradictory plot holing. When its sequential nature is entirely consistent with the passage of time, chain of events, fundamental laws of thermodynamics, yadayada. Furthermore its a sequence that reinforces each of their characters: Galadriel being quick to anger and impulsive and Adar being an arch manipulator of emotions. The nature of the sequence is even spelled out in the following conversation.

And why does Galadriel + horse, in any/every situation stir such apoplexy among certain types. I feel totally out of the loop with why she attracts such clownish objections.

So many of the criticisms of the show demonstrate a real low level of thought and attention. Cinemasins has bred a generation of right fecking dweeb idiots. I mean really, battle tactics and Volcanic fluviology? Do me a favour luv.

Also why is Sauron Guess Who such a big thing? Did I miss something in the show or surrounding lore about him being a plain sight Fu Manchu that will need to be suddenly unmasked. I feel like a chump watching the show, naively assuming he has yet to turn up, whilst others are out here Joe Mccarthying every shard of Mithril.

I mean it's a good show with a couple of exceptional elements.
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Away with you, sorcerer!

Enjoyed that, now onto episode 7!
 
dumbo said:
Galadriel is amazing. She's kick ass and noble but as Adar notes has a darkness to her, a streak of unpleasantness that lurks below the surface. Those two characters are sublime. It's easy to see why she causes such exasperation to the elf high command. And why greasy-palmed incels hate her guts.

The criticism surrounding Galadriel preventing Halbrand from killing Adar is weird. She tells Adar he will be last to die, then threatens to kill him but only after being roused to anger, and somehow this is considered unforgiveable writing and contradictory plot holing. When its sequential nature is entirely consistent with the passage of time, chain of events, fundamental laws of thermodynamics, yadayada. Furthermore its a sequence that reinforces each of their characters: Galadriel being quick to anger and impulsive and Adar being an arch manipulator of emotions. The nature of the sequence is even spelled out in the following conversation.

And why does Galadriel + horse, in any/every situation stir such apoplexy among certain types. I feel totally out of the loop with why she attracts such clownish objections.

So many of the criticisms of the show demonstrate a real low level of thought and attention. Cinemasins has bred a generation of right fecking dweeb idiots. I mean really, battle tactics and Volcanic fluviology? Do me a favour luv.

Also why is Sauron Guess Who such a big thing? Did I miss something in the show or surrounding lore about him being a plain sight Fu Manchu that will need to be suddenly unmasked. I feel like a chump watching the show, naively assuming he has yet to turn up, whilst others are out here Joe Mccarthying every shard of Mithril.

I mean it's a good show with a couple of exceptional elements.
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yeah very much so. He makes the rings of power with celebrimbor in disguise and that's how he is also able to a certain extent control the wearers of the other rings.

He also goes to numenor and converts them to worship of morgorth (original big bad prior to this series) and gets them to try to invade valinor which gets the gods to sink the entire island of numenor. He may not be in the show yet but around this time he fecked with everyone by disguising himself as an elf and a man.

My memory of exactly what happens when is a bit rusty as its been years since I read the silmarillion. He may even go to numenor as a prisoner and still manages to convert them, such is his power (and such is how easily corrupt able men are). I really can't remember well.

But yeah there is a chance we have met him and simply don't know it
 
dumbo said:
Galadriel is amazing. She's kick ass and noble but as Adar notes has a darkness to her, a streak of unpleasantness that lurks below the surface. Those two characters are sublime. It's easy to see why she causes such exasperation to the elf high command. And why greasy-palmed incels hate her guts.

The criticism surrounding Galadriel preventing Halbrand from killing Adar is weird. She tells Adar he will be last to die, then threatens to kill him but only after being roused to anger, and somehow this is considered unforgiveable writing and contradictory plot holing. When its sequential nature is entirely consistent with the passage of time, chain of events, fundamental laws of thermodynamics, yadayada. Furthermore its a sequence that reinforces each of their characters: Galadriel being quick to anger and impulsive and Adar being an arch manipulator of emotions. The nature of the sequence is even spelled out in the following conversation.

And why does Galadriel + horse, in any/every situation stir such apoplexy among certain types. I feel totally out of the loop with why she attracts such clownish objections.

So many of the criticisms of the show demonstrate a real low level of thought and attention. Cinemasins has bred a generation of right fecking dweeb idiots. I mean really, battle tactics and Volcanic fluviology? Do me a favour luv.

Also why is Sauron Guess Who such a big thing? Did I miss something in the show or surrounding lore about him being a plain sight Fu Manchu that will need to be suddenly unmasked. I feel like a chump watching the show, naively assuming he has yet to turn up, whilst others are out here Joe Mccarthying every shard of Mithril.

I mean it's a good show with a couple of exceptional elements.
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Rocks look down and boats look up 'cos the sea is always right!
 
I think for me this would better suited for binge watching once it's all out. The main storyline I'm interested in so far is the stranger and now the priestess looking for him. I had hoped more would happen on that account than what actually did. I honestly don't care about Galadriel and the men of Numenor and most of the other stuff. I hope the final episode will have an awesome climax but otherwise I'm not really engaged.
 
pacifictheme said:
yeah very much so. He makes the rings of power with celebrimbor in disguise and that's how he is also able to a certain extent control the wearers of the other rings.

He also goes to numenor and converts them to worship of morgorth (original big bad prior to this series) and gets them to try to invade valinor which gets the gods to sink the entire island of numenor. He may not be in the show yet but around this time he fecked with everyone by disguising himself as an elf and a man.

My memory of exactly what happens when is a bit rusty as its been years since I read the silmarillion. He may even go to numenor as a prisoner and still manages to convert them, such is his power (and such is how easily corrupt able men are). I really can't remember well.

But yeah there is a chance we have met him and simply don't know it
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Aha, it makes more sense now.
 
I still don't understand how anyone can be blown away by this so far. Great television is driven by great writing and characters. In the case of Rings of power, they have tolkiens universe to operate in, but for instance I think Adar is a better character than Galadriel who is the lead. And I never cared much for the dwarves but hopefully we'll see the Balrog kill them all soon. Also since they have so much freedom to present Sauron as they please, it would be cool if he soon showed up as he was described in the 1st and 2nd age.
 
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