The John Murtough Era
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I'm liking his moves.
All hail Murtough, our true overlord.
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IN MURTOGH WE TRUST
IN MURTOGH WE TRUST
The tweet sent above, you could make the same post for Woodward during his tenure here
Tell you what. We talk about giving ETH time. Murtough seems to be the first football man to have power at the club. He will need time himself
His behind the scenes work is being clearly recognized & has helped him consolidating his position. I'm excited about someone at the top finally keeping a low profile at our club and doing work.
I'm hoping Ten Hag is the same and doesn't let the publicity of being the Man Utd manager get to his head.
What value is this tweet adding? Is this guys twitter even anyone important?
Indeed. He must avoid all controversies publicly focus on just getting stuff done rather than getting into mind games with competitors. That time will come, but right now, we need to punch in our own weight category.
Lets hope he is sound with all this new found power
Tbf, Rangnick is a disaster as manager. Big big mistake. Hope he can contribute as consultant.
ETH is the fans' favorite and hope we get it right this time.
This summer is important to see how well we conduct our transfers. We need to be more efficient compared to Woodward time.
ETH is the fans' favorite and hope we get it right this time.
This summer is important to see how well we conduct our transfers. We need to be more efficient compared to Woodward time.
Hindsight and all but there haven't been many decisions he has got right so far.
How many decisions has he actually made though? So far it’s only really hiring Ralf and ETH and he hasn’t even managed a game for us yet. Ralf’s admittedly not worked out but bar that what else has he got wrong?
Huge pressure on Murtough then
He has been appointed in March last year. You have Ole and Phelan's renewals, failure to get a midfielder last summer, and the delay of Ole's sacking which resulted in Rangnick and the mess of having no reliable coaching staff for him. Actually having no plan at all when Ole left might be his and the club's biggest blunder.
He may have been appointed then but Ed Woodward didn’t actually leave until Feb or March this year so I don’t know how much influence he really had on a lot of those decisions. I’ll choose to judge him on what he’s done post Woodward leaving, this summer window is a big one for him.
I said similar. Woodward would have made all the big decisions as he was a egomaniac who would only do his own thing.
Yeah, about that…
United will always united.
Oh definitely, thank feck the cnuts finally gone. Still giving me nightmares.
The new Ed Woodward 
Power hungry.
Power hungry.
We're really going to continue postdating the commencement of his tenure till the year 2025. It has never actually been a secret Murtough brought Ralf. We don't even need a cover up for this because the original intention behind the appointment wasn't even that bad.
And at the time, most fans thought getting RR for 6 months was a good decision. Didnt work out, but it is no 20/20 again
I wasn’t referring to the hiring of Ralf in the post I was replying to, more the stuff to do with Ole and Phelan and last summers transfer window. I consider the Rangnick appointment to be the first real decision Murtough has made and I agree with you that even though it didn’t work out the intent behind it was good.
Oh I don’t disagree with that, I was one of them.
Who has denied that he was a major decision-maker in appointing Rangnick? People are just pointing out that that is the first real decision we can credit to him and so can only judge him really from that point onwards considering how Woodward was even though he was in the position from before.
Now the intention has not been seen through, for whatever reasons. Again, it looks really bad.
If Ralf's first remit was to manage the team to a 4th place, they knew his style and beliefs aren't suited to the team when they hired him. Then Ralf tried to adjust his tactics to suit the team, which was fine up until going out in CL.
Consultants provide strategic advice and insight. People who hire consultants never have to do what they suggest, but why hire a consultant, who has a huge track record of success as a football ops main man, if you don't heed said advice and strategic insight?
Unless Rangnick provided much more info and insight to Fletcher and Murtough throughout his 6 months, then can see them getting all they really wanted from him and cutting him loose.
They maybe never even wanted a consultant. I think it was just incentive to make him leave his old club. They were scrambling for a replacement because they had dallied on Ole's sack. I actually believe Murtough was a part of the decisonmaking process that dithered on sacking Ole. He never actually hid his support. This was him weeks into Ole's sack form.
Yet we're supposed to believe his own statement coup[led with the renewal of Ole's staff had nothing to do with him and was big bad Woodward acting alone to the dismay of Murtough. He even still defended those quotes months later in december.
Unless people want to stretch logic and say his powers kicked in the day after Ole was sacked but right before Rangnick was hired which makes no sense. Murtough has already been a part of the mistakes. The push to scrub his own involvement in the season make no sense when his own words even contradict that he wasn't a strong part of it. As far as I'm concerned Arnold is the one who gets the clean slate.
edit oh and that hideous Bruno contract, it's almost as if they were eager to let everyone know it was business as usual with or without Woodward. Can't blame that one on only Woodward but I half expect people to try anyway.
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Another act of incompetence was not sounding out potential replacements for Ole simply because they thought it would be disrespectful to Ole.
His own briefings give the impression of a golden retriever at a science fair. There's always at least one gem.
and for what it's worth I'm not actually against scrapping Ralf's consultancy. It was becoming clear he had a different vision from the rest of the club (revolution vs evolution) but the development does make the last six months feel like it was unnecessary and didn't need to happen. The benefit of enduring his mediocre management was supposed to be his role beyond that. With that falling through it looks like they should have gone in a different direction, especially if they had acted on time.
Jesus effin Christ. Even woodward wasn't that stupid.
His own briefings give the impression of a golden retriever at a science fair. There's always at least one gem.
and for what it's worth I'm not actually against scrapping Ralf's consultancy. It was becoming clear he had a different vision from the rest of the club (revolution vs evolution) but the development does make the last six months feel like it was unnecessary and didn't need to happen. The benefit of enduring his mediocre management was supposed to be his role beyond that. With that falling through it looks like they should have gone in a different direction, especially if they had acted on time.
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Problem was they'd already alienated McKenna and Carrick who were the only people within the club with the stature to take over as interim manager. Fletcher had only ever coached the U15s or something so would have most likely just ended up as yet another stick to beat the board with. So you'd then be looking for a manager from outside who knows he only gets 10 games or whatever, is available, and wants the job rather than just looking for his next permanent job. Honestly I'd have been quite happy with Dyche for a few games but let's face it that would have just been yet another media circus and the players looking down their noses at him. Not worth the hassle most likely. The board had already thrown away the season in October.
He is literally paid to be better at managing these appointments better than a fan would. And to many, hiring someone whose strengths were in long term strategic planning for a short term stint seemed a bit weird particularly given his recent record of managing clubs for the last two seasons out of ten. It was only made to seem vaguely sensible by his role post the management stint which always seemed rather ill defined. Realistically ralf is much better qualified for murtoughs job than he is
Appointing ralf isn't a case of a correct decision just not working out its something that didn't make sense from the off, if you gave it a little thought. That's also ignoring the fact no one at the club had given a new manager any thought before sacking ole. Something that seems very much part of murtoughs role
Those are still on Woodward though since he was still in charged until end of 2021.
We are supposed to already have a proper football structure under Murtough to ensure continuity for bigger chance of success for a new manager.
Under the new football structure we are supposed to have a team of football people working in the club day in day out.
They know the club inside out and interacts with the players, coaches, experts and whatnot in details to run and plan the football things for long term.
Somehow they see it fit to make the decision to appoint Rangnick knowing that his style of play doesn't suit the squad and yet made the decision that no new signing is allowed. Rangnick style also demands high physical fitness which the squad lacks. Most of all he is more highly regarded as DOF rather than a coach. And now his consultantcy to DOF roles is also scrapped.
The decision making of these people who are paid millions of pounds to run the club is appalling. As one of the biggest football club in the world we should be much more professional with proper long term plan and vision.
Under the new football structure we are supposed to have a team of football people working in the club day in day out.
They know the club inside out and interacts with the players, coaches, experts and whatnot in details to run and plan the football things for long term.
Somehow they see it fit to make the decision to appoint Rangnick knowing that his style of play doesn't suit the squad and yet made the decision that no new signing is allowed. Rangnick style also demands high physical fitness which the squad lacks. Most of all he is more highly regarded as DOF rather than a coach. And now his consultantcy to DOF roles is also scrapped.
The decision making of these people who are paid millions of pounds to run the club is appalling. As one of the biggest football club in the world we should be much more professional with proper long term plan and vision.
Not saying John has failed it's still too early to give an accurate assessment but Murtough seems to suffer from the same limitations that Woodward has and that's not being primed with experience for the magnitude of the role he is currently occupying.
Ragnicks best influence is in the role Murtough has. Those comments about support for Ole are ridiculous given that Solskjaer was incrementally getting worse with time. One of the more pressing issues is also who's replacing Matt Judge. Been reported the club approached Dan Ashworth but he is more interested in Newcastle proposals because it's a more prominent and hands on role.
Realistically if in 24-36 months the club are showing no visible signs of improvement before even thinking about getting rid of ETH, Murtough should have to go in those circumstances. He's already began with a relatively poor start and that is from the team missing top four.
Ragnicks best influence is in the role Murtough has. Those comments about support for Ole are ridiculous given that Solskjaer was incrementally getting worse with time. One of the more pressing issues is also who's replacing Matt Judge. Been reported the club approached Dan Ashworth but he is more interested in Newcastle proposals because it's a more prominent and hands on role.
Realistically if in 24-36 months the club are showing no visible signs of improvement before even thinking about getting rid of ETH, Murtough should have to go in those circumstances. He's already began with a relatively poor start and that is from the team missing top four.
It's even been reported that no one will replace Judge and his role will be shared between Murtough and whoever they appoint as his junior (more than likely the guy he worked with at the PL).
He's effectively given himself more prominence within the structure and there's no one to tell him with any experience that what he's doing is incorrect, which is a big worry.
Sorry, but this makes no sense.
he took over in April, by that time we all knew we were well out of the running, in-fighting with the players - you name it, we were a mess everywhere and we could all see rag ‘s management skills were not up to scratch - none of this had to do with murtougj
he’s come in, got rid of a bunch of leading scouts, signed eth, the transfer season has only just started and you’re saying he’s had a poor start??
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His start date is moving back every time someone posts, he was made football director in March 2021 and every indication was he led the appointment of Rangnick for one thing but now he apparently took over only 13 months later? In 3 years time people will be saying we can't judge him yet because he's only new to the role.
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