The Impossible Draft

Enigma_87 said:
Sure, but surely half of those in front of him in the pecking order don't have 11 Prem titles and 2 CL's, of which he has been an integral part.

No way the Spurs legend is better than him for example, yet he makes the B squad. Another oldie defender (but not pre-war) before Campbell, Adams and another unpicked. The greatest modern English goalscorer behind another morden player for example etc. Let alone the left back in question making the team C of something considering he's among the best left backs of all time, let alone England.

I can understand the issue with cross era comparison but some modern players missing out or being so far back doesn't make sense.
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Sure, I don't think I've ever seen one of those greatest XI of all time for X lists where I haven't disagreed with a lot of selections. I would have some different players myself so not going to defend that list but it didn't strike me as any more shite than dozens of others I see.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Sure, but surely half of those in front of him in the pecking order don't have 11 Prem titles and 2 CL's, of which he has been an integral part.

No way the Spurs legend is better than him for example, yet he makes the B squad. Another oldie defender (but not pre-war) before Campbell, Adams and another unpicked. The greatest modern English goalscorer behind another morden player for example etc. Let alone the left back in question making the team C of something considering he's among the best left backs of all time, let alone England.

I can understand the issue with cross era comparison but some modern players missing out or being so far back doesn't make sense.
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I don't agree with how the xtratime site treats all eras as equal, but I don't see this clear-cut difference between those players - the Spurs legend, the Fulham one, the United one, the Pool one, the Chelsea one. They're all in the same ballpark and your preference will likely depend on your allegiance.
 
Gio said:
I don't agree with how the xtratime site treats all eras as equal, but I don't see this clear-cut difference between those players - the Spurs legend, the Fulham one, the United one, the Pool one, the Chelsea one. They're all in the same ballpark and your preference will likely depend on your allegiance.
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Let alone accomplishments, I'm not sure there is single component the Spurs one is better than the United one for example. That or I overrate the United legend, but don't think I've seen a better English playmaker be it oldie or modern era. Part of two golden generations, yet more often than not brushed under the carpet when it comes to be compared with the greats.
 
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Enigma_87 said:
Let alone accomplishments, I'm not sure there is single component the Spurs one is better than the United one for example. That or I overrate the United legend, but don't think I've seen a better English playmaker be it oldie or modern era. Part of two golden generations, yet more often than not brushed under the carpet when it comes to be compared with the greats.
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He's miles more two-footed for starters and I'd say his vision to spot and ability to execute a penetrating pass through the centre of the park is a bit better as well. The United one had a better ping on him, but the Spurs one had that in his locker too. Probably not worth delving into it on here, but I don't place them on separate levels by any means. Probably say they're both under-appreciated, but I know the oldies said the same things about the Fulham boy in terms of his technical ability, vision and passing range.
 
Enigma: (1) Zico (2) G. Batistuta (3) P. Nedvěd (4) D. Santos (5) A. Shesternyov (6) J. Santamaria (7) K. H. Rummenigge (8) D. Mackay (9) A. Benarrivo

P-Nut0712: (1) F. Puskas (2) L. Yashin (3) J. Tigana (4) J. Charles (5) B. Bremner (6) J. Barnes (7) M. Ramos (8) D. Beckham (9) L. Blanc

Gio: (1) P. R. Falcão (2) Z. Zidane (3) Z. Czibor (4) L. Kubala (5) A. Brehme (6) N. Gonçalves (7) D. Law (8) H. P. Briegel (9) A. Erico

Charly: (1) D. Džajić (2) S. Kocsis (3) A. Nesta (4) W. van Hanegem (5) A. Demyanenko (6). R. Dasayev (7) T. Silva (8). B. Conti (9) O. Sivori

Pat Mustard: (1) Romario (2) J. Bozsik (3) G. Facchetti (4) D. Edwards (5) D. Godin (6) V. Bezsonov (7) Leonidas (8) J. L. Chilavert (9) W. Shultz

Brwned: (1) B. Moore (2) G. Meazza (3) M. Coluna (4) I. Netto (5) M. Amoros (6) Julinho (7) V. Mazzola (8) L. Pereira (9) E. Hapgood

2mufc0: (1) G. Scirea (2) R. Gullit (3) O. Varela (4) L. Junior (5) G. Nordahl (6) Zizinho (7) R. Rensenbrink (8) R. Ferri (9) O. Bergmark

MJJ: (1) R. Baggio (2) G. Lato (3) N. Hidegkuti (4) S. Marzolini (5) E. Ocwirk (6) L. Monti (7) C. Valderrama (8) V. Vasovic 9. J. Stam

Tuppet: (1) D. Passarella (2) J. MasoEyzaguirrepust (3) O. Blokhin (4) L. Riva (5) K. H. Schnellinger (6) T. Finney (7) Ronaldinho (8) S. Campbell (9) L. Mazurkiewicz

Prath92: (1) B. Robson (2) V. Voronin (3) D. Bergkamp (4) J. Zanetti (5) O. Ruggeri (6) M. Bossis (7) J. Johnstone (8) J. Nasazzi (9) D. De Gea (10) E. Hazard

Ecstatic: (1) U. Seeler (2) N. Santos (3) L. Figo (4) Neymar (5) G. Bergomi (6) D. McGrain (7) R. Perfumo (8) Y. Rudakov (9) G. Hagi (10) U. Stielike

Indnyc: (1) L. Thuram (2) R. Krol (3) D. Da Guia 4) A. Pedernera (5) J. Fontaine (6) E. Cantona (7) F. Loustau (8) Zito (9) G.Souness (10) F.Bene

Sjor / Jim Beam: (1) B. Charlton (2) H. Chumpitaz (3) H. Stoichkov (4) P. Elkjaer (5) B. Schuster (6) B. Vogts (7) A. Carrizo (8) F. Luis (9) M. Senna (10) T. Adams

Idmanager: (1) F. Gento (2) S. Matthews (3) M. Tresor (4) K.H. Forster (5) E. Davids (6) T. Cubillas (7) B. Zebec (8) V. R. Andrade (9) A. Spencer (10) Gerson

Skizzo: (1) Sócrates (2) P. McGrath (3) M. Sammer (4) C. A. Torres (5) R. van Nistelrooy (6) J. M. Moreno (7) A. Morton (8) A. Vidal (9) V. Beara (10) A. Rattin

Moby: (1) R. Keane (2) J. Neeskens (3) Rivellino (4) Jairzinho (5) J. Bican (6) E. Francescoli (7) J. A. Camacho (8) G. Popescu (9) B. Wright (10) L. Eyzaguirre
 
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Enigma: (1) Zico (2) G. Batistuta (3) P. Nedvěd (4) D. Santos (5) A. Shesternyov (6) J. Santamaria (7) K. H. Rummenigge (8) D. Mackay (9) A. Benarrivo

P-Nut0712: (1) F. Puskas (2) L. Yashin (3) J. Tigana (4) J. Charles (5) B. Bremner (6) J. Barnes (7) M. Ramos (8) D. Beckham (9) L. Blanc

Gio: (1) P. R. Falcão (2) Z. Zidane (3) Z. Czibor (4) L. Kubala (5) A. Brehme (6) N. Gonçalves (7) D. Law (8) H. P. Briegel (9) A. Erico

Charly: (1) D. Džajić (2) S. Kocsis (3) A. Nesta (4) W. van Hanegem (5) A. Demyanenko (6). R. Dasayev (7) T. Silva (8). B. Conti (9) O. Sivori

Pat Mustard: (1) Romario (2) J. Bozsik (3) G. Facchetti (4) D. Edwards (5) D. Godin (6) V. Bezsonov (7) Leonidas (8) J. L. Chilavert (9) W. Shultz

Brwned: (1) B. Moore (2) G. Meazza (3) M. Coluna (4) I. Netto (5) M. Amoros (6) Julinho (7) V. Mazzola (8) L. Pereira (9) E. Hapgood

2mufc0: (1) G. Scirea (2) R. Gullit (3) O. Varela (4) L. Junior (5) G. Nordahl (6) Zizinho (7) R. Rensenbrink (8) R. Ferri (9) O. Bergmark

MJJ: (1) R. Baggio (2) G. Lato (3) N. Hidegkuti (4) S. Marzolini (5) E. Ocwirk (6) L. Monti (7) C. Valderrama (8) V. Vasovic 9. J. Stam

Tuppet: (1) D. Passarella (2) J. Masopust (3) O. Blokhin (4) L. Riva (5) K. H. Schnellinger (6) T. Finney (7) Ronaldinho (8) S. Campbell (9) L. Mazurkiewicz (10) G. Hanappi

Prath92: (1) B. Robson (2) V. Voronin (3) D. Bergkamp (4) J. Zanetti (5) O. Ruggeri (6) M. Bossis (7) J. Johnstone (8) J. Nasazzi (9) D. De Gea (10) E. Hazard

Ecstatic: (1) U. Seeler (2) N. Santos (3) L. Figo (4) Neymar (5) G. Bergomi (6) D. McGrain (7) R. Perfumo (8) Y. Rudakov (9) G. Hagi (10) U. Stielike

Indnyc: (1) L. Thuram (2) R. Krol (3) D. Da Guia 4) A. Pedernera (5) J. Fontaine (6) E. Cantona (7) F. Loustau (8) Zito (9) G.Souness (10) F.Bene

Sjor / Jim Beam: (1) B. Charlton (2) H. Chumpitaz (3) H. Stoichkov (4) P. Elkjaer (5) B. Schuster (6) B. Vogts (7) A. Carrizo (8) F. Luis (9) M. Senna (10) T. Adams

Idmanager: (1) F. Gento (2) S. Matthews (3) M. Tresor (4) K.H. Forster (5) E. Davids (6) T. Cubillas (7) B. Zebec (8) V. R. Andrade (9) A. Spencer (10) Gerson

Skizzo: (1) Sócrates (2) P. McGrath (3) M. Sammer (4) C. A. Torres (5) R. van Nistelrooy (6) J. M. Moreno (7) A. Morton (8) A. Vidal (9) V. Beara (10) A. Rattin

Moby: (1) R. Keane (2) J. Neeskens (3) Rivellino (4) Jairzinho (5) J. Bican (6) E. Francescoli (7) J. A. Camacho (8) G. Popescu (9) B. Wright (10) L. Eyzaguirre

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Edgar and Onenil have my next 2 picks
 
Do the restrictions only apply to the starting 11 or the whole squad?
 
Are modern Czech players classed as being part of USSR?

E.g is Nedved classed as European or Asian in this draft?
 
2mufc0 said:
Are modern Czech players classed as being part of USSR?

E.g is Nedved classed as European or Asian in this draft?
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Nah, Czechoslovakia was not a part of the Soviet Union. Only bordered it.

Soviet Union, in full Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (U.S.S.R.), former northern Eurasian empire (1917/22–1991) stretching from the Baltic and Black seas to the Pacific Ocean and, in its final years, consisting of 15 Soviet Socialist Republics (S.S.R.’s):

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Belorussia (now Belarus)
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kirgiziya (now Kyrgyzstan)
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldavia (now Moldova)
Russia
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
 
Šjor Bepo said:
There is a one modern one that is miles above Hapgood and few older ones that are one the similar level from what we can know but that is up to debate, modern one is the reason i laughed.
Not one of those that thinks majority is always right, in fact im of the opposite opinion but in this scenario there is a good chance there isnt a single person on this planet that would share your opinion, in fact im confident that even you dont actually believe what you said.
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I find that quite a strange position on two levels.

On the first level, here's one example of an individual who shares that opinion. We're all agreed that these lists generally aren't very useful, so that is not meant to be indicative of anything other than the fact that opinion exists out there in the world beyond this conversation. You can still feel that it's totally wrong but it evidently is not unthinkable.

On the second level, I'm surprised you're so dismissive of someone who was a key player in, and eventually captain of, one of the most dominant teams in English football history. They won 4 titles in 5 years (1930-1935), the first time a team achieved that level of dominance over a 5 year period. The only teams to repeat that since are widely acknowledged as the best teams in English history - Liverpool (1981-1986), United (1992-1996, 2006-2011) - and their key players are generally agreed to be at that level I'm talking about.

Maybe you just rate the other guy a lot higher than I do? Or is it just a case of he's a pre-war player so he's simply not at the level of an elite modern player by default?
 
Brwned said:
I find that quite a strange position on two levels.

On the first level, here's one example of an individual who shares that opinion. We're all agreed that these lists generally aren't very useful, so that is not meant to be indicative of anything other than the fact that opinion exists out there in the world beyond this conversation. You can still feel that it's totally wrong but it evidently is not unthinkable.

On the second level, I'm surprised you're so dismissive of someone who was a key player in, and eventually captain of, one of the most dominant teams in English football history. They won 4 titles in 5 years (1930-1935), the first time a team achieved that level of dominance over a 5 year period. The only teams to repeat that since are widely acknowledged as the best teams in English history - Liverpool (1981-1986), United (1992-1996, 2006-2011) - and their key players are generally agreed to be at that level I'm talking about.

Maybe you just rate the other guy a lot higher than I do? Or is it just a case of he's a pre-war player so he's simply not at the level of an elite modern player by default?
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Should be voted against just for this.
 
idmanager said:
Eurasia? Quite a general name that to describe Russia, Serbia etc
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I know what Eurasia is. What the feck is a "northern Eurasian empire" (especially with USSR dates), I have no idea.
 
Brwned said:
I find that quite a strange position on two levels.

On the first level, here's one example of an individual who shares that opinion. We're all agreed that these lists generally aren't very useful, so that is not meant to be indicative of anything other than the fact that opinion exists out there in the world beyond this conversation. You can still feel that it's totally wrong but it evidently is not unthinkable.

On the second level, I'm surprised you're so dismissive of someone who was a key player in, and eventually captain of, one of the most dominant teams in English football history. They won 4 titles in 5 years (1930-1935), the first time a team achieved that level of dominance over a 5 year period. The only teams to repeat that since are widely acknowledged as the best teams in English history - Liverpool (1981-1986), United (1992-1996, 2006-2011) - and their key players are generally agreed to be at that level I'm talking about.

Maybe you just rate the other guy a lot higher than I do? Or is it just a case of he's a pre-war player so he's simply not at the level of an elite modern player by default?
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Fair play, there are others that rate him higher then Dave(lets call the cnut like this), still find it amazing to be honest. Im not dismissive at all, at worst i probably rate him as third best leftback england had which is a pretty high praise if you ask me but its just that i rate the modern one much higher. Its fair to assume the competition in the league was much higher when Dave played in there, he also dominated it but also played fantastically well in European competitions, not to mention that the quality of opposition he faced was much higher then anyone Hapgood faced or will we find some prewar players that are better then Ronaldo, Messi and co.

Pre-war players are tricky tbh, i rate them obviously as you cant dismiss any period of the game but its very hard to choose the best players in that era over best post war players and modern ones as the game became much more professional so therefor the standard was higher and the competition was bigger.
Im sure as im not the only one as you dont see people rating Nasazzi the same as they rate Baresi or Scirea, Meazza and Pedernera are not in the same category as Maradona and Pele, Bican is not in the same category as Gerd Muller and so on. They are all rated very high(same as i rate Hapgood) but they cant compere with the very best.
 
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Šjor Bepo said:
Fair play, there are others that rate him higher then Dave(lets call the cnut like this), still find it amazing to be honest. Im not dismissive at all, at worst i probably rate him as third best leftback england had which is a pretty high praise if you ask me but its just that i rate the modern one much higher. Its fair to assume the competition in the league was much higher when Dave played in there, he also dominated it but also played fantastically well in European competitions, not to mention that the quality of opposition he faced was much higher then anyone Hapgood faced or will we find some prewar players that are better then Ronaldo, Messi and co.

Pre-war players are tricky tbh, i rate them obviously as you cant dismiss any period of the game but its very hard to choose the best players in that era over best post war players and modern ones as the game became much more professional so therefor the standard was higher and the competition was bigger.
Im sure as im not the only one as you dont see people rating Nasazzi the same as they rate Baresi or Scirea, Meazza and Pedernera are not in the same category as Maradona and Pele, Bican is not in the same category as Gerd Muller and so on. They are all rated very high(same as i rate Hapgood) but they cant compere with the very best.
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Fair. As I understand it we have the same general rule of thumb when it comes to the pre-war players - the absolute top tier players from the 30s are a tier below the top tier players from say the 80s, and that basic principle applies relatively consistently as you go down the tiers. The difference seems to be that for me Hapgood in his time was a tier above the modern player in his time, so they end up being at around the same level once you apply that generational discount and you could make an argument for either.

I also don't agree with EAP's blanket statement that all full backs from that era played like centre backs - there's a lot more nuance to it. Teams playing the same formation do not all play the same way, and not all players in the same position interpret that position the same way. You don't have to look hard to see that in the players picked in this draft or in the World Cup now on. But of course it's an entirely reasonable starting point for the discussion which would inevitably arise from a pick in his position.
 
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The difference seems to be that for me Hapgood in his time was a tier above the modern player in his time, so they end up being at around the same level once you apply that generational discount and you could make an argument for either.
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Unless you have seen dedicated footage of that time, I am not sure how you see the difference. There is enough literature about every pre war player to rate them at par with modern GOAT's or tiers above their counter parts of the time.
To be fair, I don't mind the romanticism at all. But I don't think you could say the bold part.

And to be honest, I have never read rave reviews about Hapgood as compared to other pre war greats. Maybe I have never come across them. Look forward to them in your match threads :)
 
Enigma: (1) Zico (2) G. Batistuta (3) P. Nedvěd (4) D. Santos (5) A. Shesternyov (6) J. Santamaria (7) K. H. Rummenigge (8) D. Mackay (9) A. Benarrivo

P-Nut0712: (1) F. Puskas (2) L. Yashin (3) J. Tigana (4) J. Charles (5) B. Bremner (6) J. Barnes (7) M. Ramos (8) D. Beckham (9) L. Blanc

Gio: (1) P. R. Falcão (2) Z. Zidane (3) Z. Czibor (4) L. Kubala (5) A. Brehme (6) N. Gonçalves (7) D. Law (8) H. P. Briegel (9) A. Erico

Charly: (1) D. Džajić (2) S. Kocsis (3) A. Nesta (4) W. van Hanegem (5) A. Demyanenko (6). R. Dasayev (7) T. Silva (8). B. Conti (9) O. Sivori

Pat Mustard: (1) Romario (2) J. Bozsik (3) G. Facchetti (4) D. Edwards (5) D. Godin (6) V. Bezsonov (7) Leonidas (8) J. L. Chilavert (9) W. Shultz

Brwned: (1) B. Moore (2) G. Meazza (3) M. Coluna (4) I. Netto (5) M. Amoros (6) Julinho (7) V. Mazzola (8) L. Pereira (9) E. Hapgood

2mufc0: (1) G. Scirea (2) R. Gullit (3) O. Varela (4) L. Junior (5) G. Nordahl (6) Zizinho (7) R. Rensenbrink (8) R. Ferri (9) O. Bergmark (10) H. Gatti

MJJ: (1) R. Baggio (2) G. Lato (3) N. Hidegkuti (4) S. Marzolini (5) E. Ocwirk (6) L. Monti (7) C. Valderrama (8) V. Vasovic (9) J. Stam (10) P. Janes

Tuppet: (1) D. Passarella (2) J. Masopust (3) O. Blokhin (4) L. Riva (5) K. H. Schnellinger (6) T. Finney (7) Ronaldinho (8) S. Campbell (9) L. Mazurkiewicz (10) G. Hanappi

Prath92: (1) B. Robson (2) V. Voronin (3) D. Bergkamp (4) J. Zanetti (5) O. Ruggeri (6) M. Bossis (7) J. Johnstone (8) J. Nasazzi (9) D. De Gea (10) E. Hazard

Ecstatic: (1) U. Seeler (2) N. Santos (3) L. Figo (4) Neymar (5) G. Bergomi (6) D. McGrain (7) R. Perfumo (8) Y. Rudakov (9) G. Hagi (10) U. Stielike

Indnyc: (1) L. Thuram (2) R. Krol (3) D. Da Guia 4) A. Pedernera (5) J. Fontaine (6) E. Cantona (7) F. Loustau (8) Zito (9) G.Souness (10) F.Bene

Sjor / Jim Beam: (1) B. Charlton (2) H. Chumpitaz (3) H. Stoichkov (4) P. Elkjaer (5) B. Schuster (6) B. Vogts (7) A. Carrizo (8) F. Luis (9) M. Senna (10) T. Adams

Idmanager: (1) F. Gento (2) S. Matthews (3) M. Tresor (4) K.H. Forster (5) E. Davids (6) T. Cubillas (7) B. Zebec (8) V. R. Andrade (9) A. Spencer (10) Gerson

Skizzo: (1) Sócrates (2) P. McGrath (3) M. Sammer (4) C. A. Torres (5) R. van Nistelrooy (6) J. M. Moreno (7) A. Morton (8) A. Vidal (9) V. Beara (10) A. Rattin

Moby: (1) R. Keane (2) J. Neeskens (3) Rivellino (4) Jairzinho (5) J. Bican (6) E. Francescoli (7) J. A. Camacho (8) G. Popescu (9) B. Wright (10) L. Eyzaguirre

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Enigma: (1) Zico (2) G. Batistuta (3) P. Nedvěd (4) D. Santos (5) A. Shesternyov (6) J. Santamaria (7) K. H. Rummenigge (8) D. Mackay (9) A. Benarrivo

P-Nut0712: (1) F. Puskas (2) L. Yashin (3) J. Tigana (4) J. Charles (5) B. Bremner (6) J. Barnes (7) M. Ramos (8) D. Beckham (9) L. Blanc

Gio: (1) P. R. Falcão (2) Z. Zidane (3) Z. Czibor (4) L. Kubala (5) A. Brehme (6) N. Gonçalves (7) D. Law (8) H. P. Briegel (9) A. Erico

Charly: (1) D. Džajić (2) S. Kocsis (3) A. Nesta (4) W. van Hanegem (5) A. Demyanenko (6). R. Dasayev (7) T. Silva (8). B. Conti (9) O. Sivori

Pat Mustard: (1) Romario (2) J. Bozsik (3) G. Facchetti (4) D. Edwards (5) D. Godin (6) V. Bezsonov (7) Leonidas (8) J. L. Chilavert (9) W. Shultz

Brwned: (1) B. Moore (2) G. Meazza (3) M. Coluna (4) I. Netto (5) M. Amoros (6) Julinho (7) V. Mazzola (8) L. Pereira (9) E. Hapgood (10) G. Weah

2mufc0: (1) G. Scirea (2) R. Gullit (3) O. Varela (4) L. Junior (5) G. Nordahl (6) Zizinho (7) R. Rensenbrink (8) R. Ferri (9) O. Bergmark (10) H. Gatti

MJJ: (1) R. Baggio (2) G. Lato (3) N. Hidegkuti (4) S. Marzolini (5) E. Ocwirk (6) L. Monti (7) C. Valderrama (8) V. Vasovic (9) J. Stam (10) P. Janes

Tuppet: (1) D. Passarella (2) J. Masopust (3) O. Blokhin (4) L. Riva (5) K. H. Schnellinger (6) T. Finney (7) Ronaldinho (8) S. Campbell (9) L. Mazurkiewicz (10) G. Hanappi

Prath92: (1) B. Robson (2) V. Voronin (3) D. Bergkamp (4) J. Zanetti (5) O. Ruggeri (6) M. Bossis (7) J. Johnstone (8) J. Nasazzi (9) D. De Gea (10) E. Hazard

Ecstatic: (1) U. Seeler (2) N. Santos (3) L. Figo (4) Neymar (5) G. Bergomi (6) D. McGrain (7) R. Perfumo (8) Y. Rudakov (9) G. Hagi (10) U. Stielike

Indnyc: (1) L. Thuram (2) R. Krol (3) D. Da Guia 4) A. Pedernera (5) J. Fontaine (6) E. Cantona (7) F. Loustau (8) Zito (9) G.Souness (10) F.Bene

Sjor / Jim Beam: (1) B. Charlton (2) H. Chumpitaz (3) H. Stoichkov (4) P. Elkjaer (5) B. Schuster (6) B. Vogts (7) A. Carrizo (8) F. Luis (9) M. Senna (10) T. Adams

Idmanager: (1) F. Gento (2) S. Matthews (3) M. Tresor (4) K.H. Forster (5) E. Davids (6) T. Cubillas (7) B. Zebec (8) V. R. Andrade (9) A. Spencer (10) Gerson

Skizzo: (1) Sócrates (2) P. McGrath (3) M. Sammer (4) C. A. Torres (5) R. van Nistelrooy (6) J. M. Moreno (7) A. Morton (8) A. Vidal (9) V. Beara (10) A. Rattin

Moby: (1) R. Keane (2) J. Neeskens (3) Rivellino (4) Jairzinho (5) J. Bican (6) E. Francescoli (7) J. A. Camacho (8) G. Popescu (9) B. Wright (10) L. Eyzaguirre

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idmanager said:
Unless you have seen dedicated footage of that time, I am not sure how you see the difference. There is enough literature about every pre war player to rate them at par with modern GOAT's or tiers above their counter parts of the time.
To be fair, I don't mind the romanticism at all. But I don't think you could say the bold part.

And to be honest, I have never read rave reviews about Hapgood as compared to other pre war greats. Maybe I have never come across them. Look forward to them in your match threads :)
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Totally reasonable point! I won't attempt to convince people that Hapgood is as good as I think he is, and debates around W-M fullbacks become repetitive and dull pretty quickly, so I won't labour on the point either. I'll just share some info. on him and let people judge for themselves!
 
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