The Guardian

Not really sure what I think about this matter:

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Taking a Halloween selfie with Jack the Ripper’s mutilated victims is not ‘fun’, it’s offensive

It doesn’t seem to have occurred to the Ripper Museum’s owner that for many women today there is no need to visit an exhibition to experience the fear of walking down a dark street at night
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http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lated-victims-is-not-fun-its-offensive-museum

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/07/jack-the-ripper-museum-contemptuous-rip-off
 
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Many (particularly on this forum) would argue that all selfies are offensive.
 
The Independent, Guardian and Telegraph are interesting. Telegraph is a purportedly more respectful version of the Mail, the Guardian goes too far left to try and compensate, the Indie is a sort of balance between the two. Independent is the best paper out there imo.
 
Nor did he explain why the space industry, which is always declared to be a great British success story, needed Peake personally aloft, when he was a pilot rather than a scientist or engineer.
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Stopped reading there.

If you need that bit explained to you than you should just admit you don't really understand and shouldn't be writing about it.
 
I personally think that spending on space exploration is something we don't really need to do, even as part of an international collaboration. This may be an unpopular view and I'm sure we are advancing scientific knowledge (which is a good thing, of course), but we have people all over the UK using food banks, refugees from other countries needing help and families living in one room in run-down B&Bs. That all seems a bit more immediate, to me. I did my weekly morning of food distribution yesterday and we had so many new faces - including people with kids in pushchairs and an elderly man who only had one leg and was on crutches. I know when they take their little bag of food, they are going back to wandering the streets in the cold and rain until their hostels and B&Bs let them in again. It's disgraceful.

Let's get our own Earth-house in order first. Heaven knows there's enough need out there.
 
Penna said:
I personally think that spending on space exploration is something we don't really need to do, even as part of an international collaboration. This may be an unpopular view and I'm sure we are advancing scientific knowledge (which is a good thing, of course), but we have people all over the UK using food banks, refugees from other countries needing help and families living in one room in run-down B&Bs. That all seems a bit more immediate, to me. I did my weekly morning of food distribution yesterday and we had so many new faces - including people with kids in pushchairs and an elderly man who only had one leg and was on crutches. I know when they take their little bag of food, they are going back to wandering the streets in the cold and rain until their hostels and B&Bs let them in again. It's disgraceful.

Let's get our own Earth-house in order first. Heaven knows there's enough need out there.
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It's not an either/or decision. It would take relatively little money for the UK government to feed its citizens, they just choose not to, and that's the really disgusting thing. Keep fighting that fight, but don't criticise genuinely good things like this to do it. If however much this cost wasn't spent on this project, it almost certainly wouldn't be spend on welfare instead. And yes, space exploration will advance scientific knowledge, which will not only help us but help the next several generations.
 
Penna said:
I personally think that spending on space exploration is something we don't really need to do, even as part of an international collaboration. This may be an unpopular view and I'm sure we are advancing scientific knowledge (which is a good thing, of course), but we have people all over the UK using food banks, refugees from other countries needing help and families living in one room in run-down B&Bs. That all seems a bit more immediate, to me. I did my weekly morning of food distribution yesterday and we had so many new faces - including people with kids in pushchairs and an elderly man who only had one leg and was on crutches. I know when they take their little bag of food, they are going back to wandering the streets in the cold and rain until their hostels and B&Bs let them in again. It's disgraceful.

Let's get our own Earth-house in order first. Heaven knows there's enough need out there.
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I think thats missing the point somewhat. Manned spaceflight and space exploration is an investment. The UK space industry is absolutely booming and contributes something like 30,000+ jobs and billions of £ to the economy.

A manned spacemission captures the imagination in the way unmanned doesn't. How many kids grew up wanting to be an astronaut?

I'm certain that something like Tim Peake's mission will increase the number of people going in to STEM subjects, a boom sector in itself, and even if those people don't go into the science of space exploration its still good for the economy.

I can't really see the downside here, the potential ROI is huge, and whilst its disgraceful that there are people reliant on food-banks, I don't see how its a case of either one or the other.
 
I do absolutely agree that space projects are worthwhile, by the way and that there are longer-term benefits in terms of the economy. I also realise all too well that non-spending on X doesn't mean that money will be spent on Y. I just see how things have deteriorated in terms of the daily misery of individual lives in this country and I want that put right before we boldly go elsewhere.

What do I say to that disabled elderly man, shivering in his thin jacket and holding onto his ancient crutches? "Here's your free crisps and sandwiches, cheer up - we've sent an astronaut into space this week"? I know, I know .... but he shouldn't have to be knocking on a door for charity in the UK, in this day and age. Anyway, rant over. :)
 
Penna said:
I do absolutely agree that space projects are worthwhile, by the way and that there are longer-term benefits in terms of the economy. I also realise all too well that non-spending on X doesn't mean that money will be spent on Y. I just see how things have deteriorated in terms of the daily misery of individual lives in this country and I want that put right before we boldly go elsewhere.

What do I say to that disabled elderly man, shivering in his thin jacket and holding onto his ancient crutches? "Here's your free crisps and sandwiches, cheer up - we've sent an astronaut into space this week"? I know, I know .... but he shouldn't have to be knocking on a door for charity in the UK, in this day and age. Anyway, rant over. :)
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Even your rants are friendly.
 
Silva said:
Eva Carneiro :lol:
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I would also add in there
.The Lady from that bake off show

.The writers of Peep Show

.England's football team(They didn't even win the thing)

.Aziz Ansari(He tweeted Donald Trump).
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Ok fair enough if they were going for a less serious/media oriented list but the rest of the list includes people like -
.Edward Snowden

.Malala Yousafzai

.European Space Agency team who worked on Rosetta Mission

.Khaled al-Asaad(gave his life up to try and hide treasures of Palmyra from ISIS)

.Phaedra Almajid(Whistleblower who helped to bring charges against FIFA)
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Really is a shite paper at times.
 
I don't really read the Guardian that often, but I always thought it was quite well respected. Certainly would have felt its heart was in the right place. My only regular contact with it is AC Jimbo and Football Weekly which is great. But some of the stuff in this thread, dear god...
 
dhm91 said:
I don't really read the Guardian that often, but I always thought it was quite well respected.
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It is and one of the few places that you can get decent investigative journalism these days. There is some fluff these days, presumably out of fear that they may lose some audience because idiocy like the Mail Online does so well, but the core paper is still the best out there. We got an Australian edition a couple of years ago and it is head a shoulders above anything locally produced which is Murdock press or similarly low brow and biased rubbish in the main.
 
Wibble said:
It is and one of the few places that you can get decent investigative journalism these days. There is some fluff these days, presumably out of fear that they may lose some audience because idiocy like the Mail Online does so well, but the core paper is still the best out there. We got an Australian edition a couple of years ago and it is head a shoulders above anything locally produced which is Murdock press or similarly low brow and biased rubbish in the main.
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Ah. Him.
 
The News, Culture and CiF (opinion pieces from a wide range of sources) sections are very different, which some people seem to confuse in this thread. The Guardian is an excellent paper.
 
Avoid most of the comment pieces and you're grand. You learn to just roll your eyes and ignore it in the end.
 
Wibble said:
It is and one of the few places that you can get decent investigative journalism these days. There is some fluff these days, presumably out of fear that they may lose some audience because idiocy like the Mail Online does so well, but the core paper is still the best out there. We got an Australian edition a couple of years ago and it is head a shoulders above anything locally produced which is Murdock press or similarly low brow and biased rubbish in the main.
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Agreed, the fluff is mainly online as well.
 
Guardian is hit and miss and I honestly think they can be as bad as the Mail sometimes, just wrapped up in a more respectable middle-class package. Indie is the best paper out there.
 
Jonathan Jones is famously awful.
 
Wibble said:
It is and one of the few places that you can get decent investigative journalism these days. There is some fluff these days, presumably out of fear that they may lose some audience because idiocy like the Mail Online does so well, but the core paper is still the best out there. We got an Australian edition a couple of years ago and it is head a shoulders above anything locally produced which is Murdock press or similarly low brow and biased rubbish in the main.
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Yep, and their football coverage is excellent.
 
Twit said:
The great art of the Renaissance is on a par with Einstein or Newton as a peak of human insight.
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Well that's a load of cobblers for a start (sorry for the technical jargon); if anything is a true peak of human insight, it's Rembrandt's work.
 
SteveJ said:
Well that's a load of cobblers for a start (sorry for the technical jargon); if anything is a true peak of human insight, it's Rembrandt's work.
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Not got a fecking patch on 'Attack the space' - Boss.
 
That's in his next column, mate.
 
The comments section reveals he recently compared one of Kim Kardashians selfies to Renaissance art, so yeah, he doesn't really believe what he wrote there.
 
Silva said:
The comments section reveals he recently compared one of Kim Kardashians selfies to Renaissance art, so yeah, he doesn't really believe what he wrote there.
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Oh I dunno...the Guardian's gone mad over Kim and Kanye in recent months.
 
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