McKenna telling us "nah, I getting the Man United job" at least makes sense, even if it would incredibly unprofessional from McKenna.I note you didn’t challenge the Chelsea possibility?
Hmmmmm….
The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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Who is “they”? A guardian journalist?
It's daft really only Luke Shaw was here when LVG came in and lad has spent most of his time injured but plays when fit, so he doesn't have an axe to grind.
Terrible to expose him like that on the eve of the cup final, really shitty by whoever leaked it and by the journo too.
That being said, I think the club could still have taken control of the narrative by insisting nothing had been decided yet, buying them at least 24 hours of more class.
If, and this seems super unlikely, the Glazers are being made to bear the brunt (@golden_blunder ) that is quite misguided because no one wants to think they have any say in anything any longer and will just vent their anger at INEOS.
That all being said, likely the right decision, obviously pending on who the appoint.
That being said, I think the club could still have taken control of the narrative by insisting nothing had been decided yet, buying them at least 24 hours of more class.
If, and this seems super unlikely, the Glazers are being made to bear the brunt (@golden_blunder ) that is quite misguided because no one wants to think they have any say in anything any longer and will just vent their anger at INEOS.
That all being said, likely the right decision, obviously pending on who the appoint.
bit late to worry about playing midfielders in midfield.
Of course they are not reliable, but they quite happily put these stories out there because people lap them up, true or false.
Just when you think our beloved club couldn't become any more unlikeable, they find a way.
What changes did he make to make us a 'modern' team? That's the problem right there.
ETH has literally done the exact opposite of what almost all top teams do these days. He's reduced how much possession and control we have in games, he's got us playing less compactly and relying more on individual quality. Basically the only thing he's done that is remotely 'modern' is buying a ball-playing keeper and having Dalot invert. Arguably Martinez as well, but for the good (ability on the ball) comes the bad (size and lack of speed and athleticism) which puts a question mark over how suitable he is anyway.
Having a bad season while building towards something good is one thing. Having a bad season while being fixated on a system that has obvious fundamental issues is a completely different thing.
Not exactly a shock. The idea that a new “ownership” would keep with an underperforming incumbent was always highly unlikely.
As for Erik,, his spell has been the saddest of the 5 post-Fergie managers. It’s the hope that kills you but since March 23 it’s been worrying followed by shambolic. There have been a lot of mitigating circumstances but not enough to exculpate this Rishi Sunak election launch of a season.
As for Erik,, his spell has been the saddest of the 5 post-Fergie managers. It’s the hope that kills you but since March 23 it’s been worrying followed by shambolic. There have been a lot of mitigating circumstances but not enough to exculpate this Rishi Sunak election launch of a season.
Has anyone stopped to consider we haven't just gone all Coleen Rooney and busted the leak? ETH is staying, but only one person was told he was fired. Someone just got Rebekah'd.
Don't believe anything until it's official.
Don't believe anything until it's official.
Think Glazer still have some say, but to have some say the proposal would have to put to them anyway.
Has anyone stopped to consider we haven't just gone all Coleen Rooney and busted the leak? ETH is staying, but only one person was told he was fired. Someone just got Rebekah'd.
Don't believe anything until it's official.
Maybe someone as opposed to “club”.
Not great either way I agree but I try to direct my ire at the ones who deserve it
The football was largely shit, the transfers; atrocious but we somehow bumblefecked our way to 3 cup finals in a year or so, winning one, losing one and TBD tomorrow.
Seems a decent guy and I appreciated his no nonsense handling of cnuts like Sancho and Ronaldo (he's not a legend, he's a cnut) and stopping the trophy drought but the football is just too suicidal to continue.
Doing this on the eve of the cup final is extra cnutish though.
All the best, Ten Hag.
Seems a decent guy and I appreciated his no nonsense handling of cnuts like Sancho and Ronaldo (he's not a legend, he's a cnut) and stopping the trophy drought but the football is just too suicidal to continue.
Doing this on the eve of the cup final is extra cnutish though.
All the best, Ten Hag.
The text Guardian article gives no serious indication of a typical leak. Read it closely: the article could've been written in the same way by anyone here with some sense as there's obviously a good chance it'll turn out correct. Same article could appear in the tabloids abd no one would take it too seriously. Yes, it might have been someone gone rogue (if not a Guardian journalist just making an educated guess) but as a planned leak, I would be doubtful. Why would anyone high up think leaking it just before a final was a good idea? If they wanted to send a message to McKenna, then back channels are fine.
Sacking is the obvious decision, I am surprised that they stick with him that long. We could finish 4-5th easily with a new manager but Ineos wanted to take their time. I sincerely hope Pochettino is hired, I think he will do very well at United.
Sums my thoughts up too. Good post.
I agree, as much as I am happy to see the back of ETH, any sacking or decision to sack should have been watertight until after the Cup Final. I'd hoped that all the poorly managed media stuff was a thing of the past with Ineos at the helm but it appears not.
Quite why this is out there now I have no idea. It's been coming, I was fairly certain at this point it was going to happen after the final, so not surprised.
I'm disappointed in how it turned out though, really wanted it to work with him and thought he could turn it round earlier in the season, but things just got worse.
I'm disappointed in how it turned out though, really wanted it to work with him and thought he could turn it round earlier in the season, but things just got worse.
You can't stop a dickhead journalist writing a story.
Tuchel will bring us back to the UCL
Pathetic from our club, and pathetic from SJR/Ineos. Showing he's got as little class as the previous regime.
We've had about 3 decent months of football in two years. I'd argue that the FA Cup and League Cup finals are more to do with us fielding strong sides while everyone else rotated.
Never in doubt.
Disaster of a manager, the team is in no better shape than it was when he joined, and that is after spending 400m and having a free ticket in Mainoo and Garnacho coming through.
Disaster of a manager, the team is in no better shape than it was when he joined, and that is after spending 400m and having a free ticket in Mainoo and Garnacho coming through.
Awful timing on the eve of the cup final, but Ineos should have anticipated the leaks could happen. This is why I said after the Coventry game that we need to sack Ten Hag immediately and hire an interim manager for a few weeks just to avoid this shitshow in the build up to the cup final. It's going to be such a weird atmosphere at Wembley tomorrow.
Didn't know that reporter before, but looking at what he's written before, he's clearly got his main sources with Chelsea, so almost certainly coming from Chelsea
I'm not sure why all the potshots at the club in here.
Seems to me Steinberg, who is a Chelsea journo and is close to Poch, is likely being fed the info by Poch (who likely has been sounded out by United) and doesn't care to keep it under his hat like united journos have done. Probably they want to keep access to the club and not sour relations.
If we weren't speaking to available managers we would all be furious if we sacked ETH on Sunday/Monday and were already behind in the race for those managers.
It sucks for ETH and I feel bad for him that it has leaked but there's enough reasons to beat the club with and I don't think this is necessarily one of them
Also I'm aware this does sound a bit tinfoil hat but seems the likeliest scenario - to me anyway
Seems to me Steinberg, who is a Chelsea journo and is close to Poch, is likely being fed the info by Poch (who likely has been sounded out by United) and doesn't care to keep it under his hat like united journos have done. Probably they want to keep access to the club and not sour relations.
If we weren't speaking to available managers we would all be furious if we sacked ETH on Sunday/Monday and were already behind in the race for those managers.
It sucks for ETH and I feel bad for him that it has leaked but there's enough reasons to beat the club with and I don't think this is necessarily one of them
Also I'm aware this does sound a bit tinfoil hat but seems the likeliest scenario - to me anyway
This is dangerously close to applying common sense. Shame on you.
The 400m number is staggering. We could've simply hired Carrick and done much better.
How the feck is this being leaked the day before a fecking cup final?
Way to ensure our chances go from slim to none
Way to ensure our chances go from slim to none
United fans and performative outrage regarding vague and ever moving concepts and notions of "class". Please.
Presume your fume is at the shocking way it's been handled rather than the ultimate decision?
The leak is no surprise, as if he would have stayed. He was a goner, leak or no leak. It was obvious. We are all shocked, because we were classy 5 years ago.
As if Ineos leaked it, there are a dozen people knowing about this.
As if Ineos leaked it, there are a dozen people knowing about this.
I would walk right away immediately if i was Erik and leave the team without a manager for tomorrow’s final. I don’t care if whether he deserves to be sack, but it’s going to be horrible personally for him when he walks out with the team at Wembley tomorrow knowing he’s gone right after the game, and you’ll just know the City fans will be chanting ‘sack in the morning’ towards him. It’s sickening and low class for a club of United’s stature
Tuchel has won the German league, the French league and the champions league. He’s managed Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea and Bayern Munich.
I don’t understand how that’s failure.
You want to honestly back a manager that has ONLY managed Ipswich?
im sure we will find out at half time tomorrow who the new guy is
Why leaking rather than just sacking him after the final. On the off chance we actually beat City?
At basically every avenue INEOS have decided to bring their own staff, rather than retain people in post at the club - does seem silly looking at it that way that anyone thought EtH might be safe in his job.
I suppose what INEOS is doing though is giving themselves no where to hide with the decisions they're making. It'll be all their own people.
I suppose what INEOS is doing though is giving themselves no where to hide with the decisions they're making. It'll be all their own people.
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