Yes 2
The Fourth RedCafe Sheep Draft
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Yes 2
To be honest I don't see Diego as a particularly good fit for onenil. He has a great attack but it's a bit centrally oriented, which will congest the space for Maradona a bit, not to mention the presence of Messi and two playmakers generally occupying the same space with another one in Didi close behind. Socrates is capable of playing an auxiliary role(like he did next to Zico) and brings a lot of balance to the attack.
Of course having Diego there on paper that side would look awesome and regardless of balance would bring a lot of votes in.
He should drop Messi and simply play this front 3
Rivaldo- Ronaldo
--- -Diego --
and switch to a back 5.
Draft hipsters will never vote for a team with both Maradona and Messi
Rivaldo- Ronaldo
--- -Diego --
and switch to a back 5.
Draft hipsters will never vote for a team with both Maradona and Messi
I thought Pelé was a more obvious fit than Diego. I don't think he will sacrifice Socrates and Messi for some random formation to fit Diego.
He needs an out and out winger I agree and then he can fit Diego into that attack.. but issue is if you let another one of this sides get Maradona, suddenly he risks not having such a stand out attack . All the sides left are really strong so you can't afford to reject a player like Diego out of loyalty to someone you're fond of unless of course there is a genuine tactical reason for doing so which is fair enough.
In this instance there probably is enough tactical justification for doing so we shall see what happens.
It's not just locality tho.As anto mentioned Pele would've been better fit and would have no problem fitting in a side with 3-4 10's. Maradona on the other hand...
I don't see Maradona being a good fit for me, Downcast and even Joga (picking Cruyff). I can't fit in Maradona with Sir Bobby and Eusebio, Downcast already has Platini and now Pele, while I'm pretty sure Joga will go for Marco in his last pick.
The teams are so good he could easily blow a pick on avoiding someone getting him. He can use the other for the LW.
Maradona looks absolutely fine in his team.
With Didí, Messi, Rivaldo and Ronaldo ahead I actually rate how well Socrates fits there.
It's tough because few can "stop Maradona" in their "battle" but I think that team will work better with Socrates there.
As an upgrade on Baggio? To be honest I thought of Diego, but then again he'll restrict Matthäus
Yep. Not to mention there's the other Johan in there as well.
Cruyff/van Basten are really the most obvious picks for Joga IMO. There was a chance Downcast would pick either Pele or van Basten, so going for Cruyff was no brainer for Joga. Won't change his tactics as well just upgrade directly on what he has.
Socrates dovetails well there - clearly a case of the whole being more than the sum of its parts with him in there. But at the same time I don't think Maradona looks like an ill-fit there either. He isn't necessarily going to subsume himself in the way Socrates would, but tactically I think it's fine. A few have mentioned the width issue - I don't see that as a problem. Messi's done enough on the right through his career to justify a spot there, and both Rivaldo and Henry have good form at pulling out wide left to stretch the play. IMO you'd really struggle to find a left-sided attacker who'll hug the touchline and is still capable of influencing an all-time draft final. The greater fit issue with Maradona is how he gels with Didi, but I don't see that as a show-stopper, more just something to think about.
Yep.
I love Baggio too much to think about him being upgraded
People who attend hipster conventions in order to insult hipsters.
Anti-hipsterism is, and has always been, hipsterism at its finest.
Also, Maradona and Messi could work. Or not. Don't care, though. These teams are just vulgar, nothing a true draft hipster would be interested in.
Anti-hipsterism is, and has always been, hipsterism at its finest.
Also, Maradona and Messi could work. Or not. Don't care, though. These teams are just vulgar, nothing a true draft hipster would be interested in.
And if you really wanna upgrade him at least don't pick another guy who also choked in a WC final..
Always took you for a second generation hipster, Chester. Probably more. Legend.
What about an all-time hipster XI? Hard to keep track of hipster players who had become a mainstream already (Suarez, Schuster, Netto etc.). Honorable mentions to Rensenbrink, Bochini, Picchi, V. Mazzola (maybe Sandro too, actually)...
------------- Erico -------- Seeler
-------------------- Deyna
Briegel -- van Hanegem - Coluna -- Kaltz
------ Bossis -- Blankenburg -- Förster
------------------ Beara
I don't think he impedes anything. As you say, maybe you won't get as much out of Didí due to overlaps, but it's no biggie. Pelé is a better style fit, but Maradona isn't a misfit.
Socrates looks fecking perfect there though. He's been picked in the hole plenty of times but I don't think we have ever seen him so suited and in sync with everything around him. He usually looks completely stranded and random, yet from the off with Rivaldo and Camoranesi (let alone with Messi now) you just felt Socrates was exactly the right cog there.
You lost me there. What's hipster about any of those? Top players.
Top players who are underappreciated and are not picked enough. Erico, for example, has been picked how many times - 2? 3? van Hanegem probably stands out as he isn't ignored, but is still picked rarer than he should. Kaltz, who is one of the most productive attacking fullbacks ever. Etc.
As Raees said, that would be madness. As good as Socrates was, Maradona will give you more votes (beside more dynamic and control in midfield).
Yep. I thought Pele would be his pick.
He can't pick C.Ronaldo or Pele, which makes Cruyff/van Basten IMO the most probable ones.
If it would've been anyone else, it would've been madness. @oneniltothearsenal built his side around Socrates and he is his favorite ever player, so there is a fair chance of him playing Socrates until the end
Agreed that Maradona would disrupt the harmony in their already strong midfield. As much as I love piling up amc in one team.
Fair do. I'd have picked Basten then.
Scholes was my fave player ever. But I don't mind benching him in a draft.
IMO he still will, as neither of the teams will go for him, as DC already went for Pele, so it was a good pick
I picked at least half of those, most of them for the first time in late rounds. That doesn't make me a hipster, it's just others being fools.
In fact, I'd think it is the opposite: the ones overlooking obvious quality and prioritising vote-winning potential/flash factor are the hipsters.
Or maybe I don't understand the term.
I was being facetious.
I think Platini would be a better fit though doesn't fit his theme. But then Diego is a no brainer, if only to deny others. Diego and maye Figueroa would make for nice upgrades.
I doubt charity is one of Joga's strong points.
You're the damn hipster we're on about Sherlock
Well, it's clear that we just have an opposite opinion on the term's meaning. I think hipster will go for the overlooked players with interesting stories (and often obvious flaws) - to show the depth of their knowledge and originality of his mind (often going over the top to do that, ignoring better and more obvious choices)
Everyone is clearly crying out for a 'Hipster' Draft. It will have a block list containing your Van Hanegam's and your Bossis' and the sheeps will be guys like Pele and Diego.
A hipster would be someone who will say 'I don't like Maradona and I do prefer Javier Pastore'.
Oops, Passarella.