Ffs, I thought this was a definite block, had 2 backups ready each having increasingly more chances. I need all 3 anyway.
Suppose things are well, till now.
Suppose things are well, till now.
The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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feck I really have to laugh at a particular event that happened in the buildup of this pick but can't till the round is over.
It's beyond epic.
It's beyond epic.
Very likely, but he was my next choice and already moved away once guessing too many were after defenders last turn. feck it.
Nah, we need to discuss options. Maldini was our second choice.
It's your call this turn though, isn't it?
If anyone manages to get the other guy in their second attempt then they probably deserve to win the draft.
ok sent my pick
quick 2nd round
quick 2nd round
Are you pissed at getting a pass?Let's bull him for a pick
Yep but I need a shortlist to choose from. Van Basten, Maldini and Rijkaard were our first one so...
Rijkaard was pointless, I told you. Damn Jayvin and his spastic timezone, this being honest collaborative outcome game theory shit ain't going to work with a mix of irrationality and scan reading, is it? What else could I do? Post a pick?
I demand a refund on those microeconomics courses.
Posted my pick. Although I know I'm bloody making a mistake.
I hate this game.
I hate this game.
We should have the second round results soon.
Pol hasn't been on in a while unfortunately.
You were never close at all. I guess you missed the 4-5 posts were I said I was going for him in no uncertain terms?
Yeah, didn't see any posts by you insinuating you were going for him. I did scroll through a couple of pages pretty quickly though...
Anyway, pick sent. Hopefully we can get this round done in the next couple of hours so I can make my 3rd pick (if i have to) before I head to bed.
No slight on you, but why do you let people know your thoughts? I feel like this is Anto's blog I'm reading...
Mind Games?Can't fecking believe you didn't have a pop at HIM, you would have walked this! Someone got very lucky there.
The funny thing is that no one blocked your picks on purpose so far and it's still not working
. Great strategy, truely brilliant.May be you can PM a neutral or Aldo itself a back up for third round?
Is anyone gonna go for him as a second attempt though? Reaction will be brilliant if he slips through.
That, would make my day
Don't worry about the pick 3, even if you leave you will get till noon tomorrow in case you don't show up 12 hours from whenever the pick 2 is revealed.
It is the pick 2 for you and Pillow that you need to get out of the way asap.
6 in 4 to go.
4 still left mmm
that would be Gio, Pol, sully and Edgar I presume.
that would be Gio, Pol, sully and Edgar I presume.
I actually did go for HIM at the beginning and changed my mind for Maldini. Really wanted a good defender.
Do you think HIM and Laudrup would've coped well? Might have stepped on each other's toes if I wouldn't have played 4-3-3 with Laudrup at AM?
No slight on you, but why do you let people know your thoughts? I feel like this is Anto's blog I'm reading...
Not really, the only mindgames so far was with Balu yesterday trying to avenge Romario by either taking Lahm ahead of him or at worst making him pay for that outrage.
The funny thing is that no one blocked your picks on purpose so far and it's still not working
It's not really a "strategy" aimed at winning or drafting excellence, I'm really intrigued by the possibilities here in terms of testing all this game theory shit in a real-life experiment. Much more than I'm interested in drafting well TBH.
I would correct what you said:
- you did know I was going Romario last time so you definitely stuck to it. Deliberate non-collaborative lose-lose approach.
- Gio went the same route with Davids despite evidence I had been truthful so far. Same (not sure how certain he was I would move elsewhere, there wasn't much reaosn to believe that).
- I could see the lose-lose coming and took a more collaborative stance on it. The problem with that is whether your statements will be seen as credible later and that was a definite issue going into this. A first attempt statement is far more credible though.
- From what I gather the bad outcome was lack of reading, i.e. not receiving signals, nothing to read in this block (except how exposed all this malarkey is not just to rationality but counterparts being alert and receiving signals at all).
- If someone picks that defender now surely he is a spastic (or, again, not alert, which clearly is an issue). If he is gone already it's nothing to do with game theory.
The 4-3-3 would be better indeed, but even if a more advanced Laudrup could make some of HIS game redundant, HE would still be fecking awesome with that service. Christ, how do you defend against it?????
I honestly didn't know that I was allowed to change and when I learned about it, I really believed that not changing picks is the only way to keep my sanity in this draft, especially with you starting mind games from the start or whatever you want to call your little experiment. It had nothing to do with a deliberate lose-lose approach at all. I've changed all my picks since then, but for totally different reason, but as I said earlier, I'm a hypocrite
.Isn't this some mind-games too though? You've basically given a massive hint as to who you're getting. A way of telling people to stay away or a chance for someone to think "YOLO, I'm going to block him".
It's interesting nevertheless
Reckon HE has been picked. Someone gambled/went for the block and won big.
Regarding Anto's man (his current man, I mean) I considered going for him but deemed it too risky (I had him practically in the Maldini category in terms of being conspicuous). I had two defenders (including this guy) and a midfielder on my wish list after browsing through the scorers. Ended up going for the latter. Could be foolish not getting in a top defender - we'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding Anto's man (his current man, I mean) I considered going for him but deemed it too risky (I had him practically in the Maldini category in terms of being conspicuous). I had two defenders (including this guy) and a midfielder on my wish list after browsing through the scorers. Ended up going for the latter. Could be foolish not getting in a top defender - we'll just have to wait and see.
@AldoPaine18 no changing in rounds 2 and 3 right?
Yep.
I honestly didn't know that I was allowed to change and when I learned, I really believed that not changing picks is the only way to keep my sanity in this draft. It had nothing to do with a deliberate lose-lose approach at all. I've changed all my picks since then, but for totally different reason, but as I said earlier, I'm a hypocrite
That's deliberately picking the lose-lose option. That was part of the entire point yesterday, when people deliberately choose that they must be "punished" so that it doesn't happen again. I did note your sanity comment, that's a separate consideration you value, which is why the punishment had to be not just about another lose outcome but some degree of wearing down your sanity so you stopped factoring that in as a bonus in ignoring signalling. You need signalling to be considered, otherwise you are just going blind.
I'm not getting all intellectual on you, am I? As a mathematician you would be intrigued by it all, right? I put together a few games at Uni back in the 90s and when this was suggested I thought I may enjoy revisiting all that. It's the only way I can keep justifying drafts to the missus: academic interest.
How are you getting on with that fish puzzle then?
Oh no, read the question wrong.
Or rather no changing after I have received the last pick. I guess that makes more sense.
Still, be careful. If you are undecided or want to watch out the discussions to see if anyone (antohan) is taking your player and wanna back out, wait for sending it.
Eh? The player you got was in accordance with the Round 2 question.
Isn't this some mind-games too though? You've basically given a massive hint as to who you're getting. A way of telling people to stay away or a chance for someone to think "YOLO, I'm going to block him".
It's interesting nevertheless
It is interesting, absolutely, much more than playing out the games later which is far more predictable and rather rubbish most of the time.
There is of course the risk of a block, which is where if I said "I'm going for HIM" I should expect to be blocked, but not if I go for someone less daunting, let alone when there's no incentive to screw me since I'm not by any means running away with this.
A more rational block would have been from, say, Gio, as he could quite rightly want to turn Davids into an absolute beast by eliminating anyone around his level. Long shot though, I fully expected him to go for Marco or another Dutchman who would have worked brilliantly with Davids.
I choose to ignore the rest, it's better for my sanity as well
and you don't want me to go all mathematician on you, believe me. Still no clue on the fish. I'm still proud that I solved 3 out of 4 .Yeah lol, but i thought we were only picking players who scored before 92, otherwise i would have gone with somebody else, only clocked when i saw certain picks for Cristiano Ronaldo.
this is the best draft ever. why is HE not being mentioned? isn't it obvious?
Who is he?