I thought you hated 352/532 
The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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I do, it drives me nuts, but I wanted to do one, because it's so typical German if we look at the 90's. Worldcup 90, Euro 96, Dortmund 97, Bayern 2001 all played that shit formation. I also can easily turn it into a 433 with Sammer staying in midfieldI thought you hated 352/532
.Well, with everyone posting their 532 and 343 and 352, here's my German version of a 3/5 man defense
I really like Müller in that 2nd striker role, because he can provide width on both wings. Sammer and Effenberg should add enough steel to the midfield battle, Kroos and Basler enough creativity.
So do you have a back 4 variation too?
You deleted that Sammer for a midfielder comment, right? Was just about to ask, what do you mean by that, can't get any better than Sammer in that DM role
.Here's that 433:
I do, it drives me nuts, but I wanted to do one, because it's so typical German if we look at the 90's. Worldcup 90, Euro 96, Dortmund 97, Bayern 2001 all played that shit formation. I also can easily turn it into a 433 with Sammer staying in midfield
I know. I guess you will be going for Ribery to make that 433 work
If you do get him, it will make you one of the fav
Does he count as German?I know. I guess you will be going for Ribery to make that 433 work
If you do get him, it will make you one of the fav
??? If yes, I might need to change my pick
How many left to submit?
For a forum that's spent all season hating on wingers, we seem to be very suspicious of a narrow attack.
That said, looking at everyone else's formations has really made me appreciate the importance of arrows. Arrows make everything look better.
Everything is better with arrows.They should make sense though, arrows that contradict the natural movement of the player are imo worse than no arrows at all. Litmanen really deserves some arrows though and I really like him in that 2nd striker role in a 532. Van Gaal always compared Thomas Müller to Litmanen's role in his Ajax team, so I can't really argue against that idea, it's comparable to mine, my midfield is very different though.
How many left? @AldoPaine18 @kps88
What someone else said earlier is going to hurt you, that if you come up against a mean DM who can do a job on Kaka, then people will question who is going to create goals. It will be stupid since your wingbacks provide a great outlet to create but that's just how draft works.
He really misses that deep lying playmaker to start counterattacks though. Kaka at his best had Pirlo. Wingbacks are useful to provide width, but few are good enough to actually act as wide playmakers. He's sitting deep with a 5 man defense, he wins the ball back around his penalty area and Kaka, Litmanen start running towards goal, let's say Cafu joins them to provide width. Who's going to provide the passes from deep? Who starts the counterattacks time and time again?
Fair point but Makelele and Essien are no mugs when it comes to passing. I am not saying Makelele is going to spray the ball ala Xavi but he is quite effective at reciveing the ball from defense and feeding to the best available outlet in attack. Essien is also capable of running with the ball. You are correct though, with 5 man defense, he had the luxury to accommodate someone like Pirlo, would have lifted the side couple of levels.
Yeah, our midfield lacks the creativity from deep that Balu gets from Kroos. That's more of an issue for me than a lack of width, Cafu and Leonardo can handle that.
That said, we have enough versatility in the team to try a few different things out. We'll scheme a way around it I'm sure.
That said, we have enough versatility in the team to try a few different things out. We'll scheme a way around it I'm sure.
It's obvious who you are going to go for in this round.
Might get him as well!
Might get him as well!
Well I think arrows can be a cop-out to pretend a player is in two different positions at the same time.
I'm down with a well constructed 4-3-2-1, 4-3-1-2, 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1. And the Kaka, Litmanen (so under-rated in these drafts) and Ruud axis is tasty. In this case a 3-4-2-1 would be my take on it. Failing that a creative central midfielder could allow a proper 4-3-2-1.
It's obvious who you are going to go for in this round.
Might get him as well!
I'm sure I don't know who you mean.
Actually there are a few players who could give us what we need depending on how we go about things.
You deleted that Sammer for a midfielder comment, right? Was just about to ask, what do you mean by that, can't get any better than Sammer in that DM role
Yeah, reconciling a couple of thousand cells between 2 excel files melts your brain.
Infact, I would say that the pick of the tournament is Sammer, unless someone lands Matthaus in this round. The versatality to switch to 2 and 3 man defences is just so useful. Unfortunately there are very few palyes who excel in both roles. I had to go for a extra man in Sanchis just for that flexibility :-(
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Not much hope for this round. My boys may have to make do without reinforcements - but that ain't so bad. The main worry here is that some teams, already strong, get even stronger - that could decide this thing before it's even started, to exaggerate a wee bit but not much.
Not much hope for this round. My boys may have to make do without reinforcements - but that ain't so bad. The main worry here is that some teams, already strong, get even stronger - that could decide this thing before it's even started, to exaggerate a wee bit but not much.
By the way @AldoPaine18 and @kps88 you don't have to specify which player you want to replace along with your pick/block? You can decide on that later, after you've landed your pick?
No you don't have to specify that, you can decide it after you have your pick confirmed.
I don't really like this round, there is so much luck involved here. There are a few teams who have drafted consistently well and it's very possible that they end up with nobody, whilst one of the weaker sides could fluke Messi or Matthaus which will cover up the fact that they drafted poorly.
Very interested in seeing how it plays out though. It might not work like that.
Very interested in seeing how it plays out though. It might not work like that.
I think the round itself is highly entertaining.
What I don't like is that sheep can be replaced, that's my biggest problem with this round. If you end up with 2 sheep after the 'regular' draft, you should be forced to play one. Now it will most likely be only crappy, who has to play one sheep, because he can bench one and replace one of the three. Replacing sheep is such a huge upgrade here, that it basically nullifies what happened before. If someone took too many risks and ended up with two sheep, he shouldn't be able to field a perfect team in the first game.
For example, if Viva gets lucky and ends up with Messi after this round, he now can replace Samaras. That's just wrong. He should be forced to replace Crespo (or one of his wingers), if he wants to play Messi. That way, the influence of this round wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now.
I immediately thought "when did crappy get Le Tissier"? Took a minute or so to sink in.
Yeah, I'm not that keen on it. To some extent it defeats the purpose of tactically reducing the pool of marquee players in certain positions that happened in the opening rounds.
I agree. And without having a go at Aldo, who has done a brilliant job so far, I actually thought this was the idea - i.e. that you couldn't replace your sheep. Bench them if needed, but not replace them.
Well, with everyone posting their 532 and 343 and 352, here's my German version of a 3/5 man defense
I really like Müller in that 2nd striker role, because he can provide width on both wings. Sammer and Effenberg should add enough steel to the midfield battle, Kroos and Basler enough creativity.
Now THAT is how you put together five at the back. Beauty. And I hate it too, but this one is beautiful.
Yeah. Then everyone would be forced to go for the bignames this round, because the smaller names aren't really useful upgrades, we would see a highly entertaining bloodbath here.
Now everyone with a sheep just goes for a safe option to replace him with the 2nd and 3rd attempt, way less fun and really against the idea of this draft, imo.
Yup. I think you should play must one sheep, if you have one. If you have more you can replace but one sheep is mandatory.
So others who don't have any get a advantage!
So others who don't have any get a advantage!
I'm worried now. Does that mean I can expect a lot of praise from you in the game, followed by a vote against me and a comment that says something like: "great that you put together an all German team, but you peaked early, can't really upgrade your team with no Germans available, so it's better if your opponent goes through" ?
It's basically one more round. Think of it as the 13th player, the sheep would end up a sub then. Don't see the problem at all. It's the replacing that creates the illusion of a problem because some trade in sheep while some trade in perfectly suitable players. Not sure why that was necessary.
To have even squads.
I'm worried now. Does that mean I can expect a lot of praise from you in the game, followed by a vote against me and a comment that says something like: "great that you put together an all German team, but you peaked early, can't really upgrade your team with no Germans available, so it's better if your opponent goes through" ?
Not really, I'm sure you will be pining for Brehme and Schweini
That side could really take on any previous finalist as it is already with the "boring but pragmatic" 5-3-2 approach you also seemed quite enamoured with back then
Quick question, I see it doesn't quite fit your system, but seeing as you got players to spare, did you not consider Thomas Hassler at all? Had him along with Jesper Olsen in that bag of "safe backups everyone has probably forgotten about". Cracking player.
Again, that means unless you have 3 sheep in the team, you don't need to play one. What's the point with the sheep then?
Come on ffs
Of course I did. The Basler - Frings round fecked me over
. It was all about getting Scholl and out of all the finals in which he faced German players, Frings as the opponent made the most sense, even though I never intended to play him. But then Scholl was blocked and it all went wrong. The last criteria saved my ass with Ziege + Kroos possible. I actually considered Hässler as a wingback in case I missed out on Ziege .You could just assign a random sheep from outside the banned pool to those who don't get anyone, then people wouldn't get this impression that some benefit more than others. I guess you would then have the argument over the sheep having to be from the same pool...
I find it funny this is controversial, what I'm planning may have people up in arms really
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