Has he knicked them trainers from a tramp too? Also, wear some bloody socks. Who the hell is he?
The F1 Thread 2015 Season
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It is a shame for the title, but Nico's pace was terrible at times today. And I think he'll regret that Ricciardo incident when he looks back at it, Ricciardo was aggressive but Rosberg didn't need to cut across like that. He was lucky to get away without a penalty.
He is an all-time great.
"Why not spend your weekend in Hungary with all the guys, ya"
More like Eurotrash.
My German friend told me if you think BBC/Sky are bad for British driver bias you should listen to Kai Ebel on German TV.
Haha, he was definitely wearing a mankini underneath his outfit.
Agreed. I'm sure Rosberg will be more disappointed in his performance.
I don't think I'll ever be able to rank him up there with Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Clark and Fangio. In terms of speed he is, he's just too dumb and impetuous too much of the time.
Rosberg doesn't seem to have a winner's mentality.
Schumacher did a ton of dumb stuff and Senna was prone to being too aggressive, it doesn't detract their careers. Two time WDC, possible for a third this year and among the top positions in all the important stats, just like Vettel he's an all time great.
He will never as great as Schumacher and co but he is still an all time great.
really, Shi did some very dodgy things to get results, Senna was not above doing daft things in races, Prost also did the same.
Lewis is already one of the greats his record proves that.
EDIT not dodgy things , Schum cheated .
Every time I see Hamilton give an interview I want to jump into the screen and poke him in both eyes. Such a prick.
I feel the same about Seb.
and me.
At this point we need a seperate race just for Maldonado. It would probably be incredibly entertaining in fairness
I don't given much credence to stats as they benefit recent times inordinately. You're free to disagree of course but to me Senna and Schumacher were both a level above in terms of race management, they had flaws of course but Lewis' recklessness and, at times, showboating is something that's bothered me since the start of his career. And by my original comment I meant that if he had a brain, he'd be up there with the absolute best that ever raced given his speed and skill at overtaking, not that he's not a top driver.
Schumacher had a dominant car for 5 seasons in a row yet his stats remain relevant?
Lewis is aggressive bordering on reckless but that is why he's interesting to watch, doesn't matter where he is in the race he's always one to watch. Won in great cars, won in bad cars, two WDC's, Top 5 in race wins, Top 3 in poles, Most successful British driver ever, won a race in every championship season he's raced in since 2007, flair for the dramatic, beaten every teammate he's ever had (lost only once to Button when he went nuts in 2011).
Showboating? Seems like a good reason to never consider someone good enough to be a great.
Hamilton is usually a very good driver, and finds a way of being in control despite his aggression which makes him so good. Today he just made 2 bad mistakes and cost him what should've been an easy win. I think what's more worrying for both Mercedes is that the start has been poor for a while now, particularly Hamilton's. That's something they need do address, although I don't know how the new regulations will affect that.
It does when it leads to him damaging his car and losing position. Where did I say Schumacher's stats were what made him a great? He was massively fast, massively intelligent, could do absurd things in damaged cars and was a great leader. I'm still more than happy to class him as the second best Brit, just not up there with the gods. Which he could've been, was my point.
Gonna play devils advocate here and say without Schumacher, Ferrari never would have had a dominant car. He was the catalyst.
I feel the same. I cannot stand Hamilton. He's a twat of the highest order.
he'd still shunt it!
watching F1 Forum on BBC Red Button and Toto Wolf said only the Primes were ready to put on Nico's car.
So he never can be in your eyes now can he? He's got another 6-7 years in F1 if he wants but no matter what he does between now and then you won't consider it because you've made your choice.
Agreed, he was a leader. He did some special things in non-dominant cars too, Spain 96 in the wet, Hungary 98 when he basically did quali laps all race to win. But he also didn't design the cars, you still have to have the right pieces at the right time for domination like that. To just say "yeah Schumacher did it" is very belittling to Rory Byrne, Ross Brawn, Jean Todt etc. And lets not gloss over the fact for a good chunk of that period his strategy was beat Rubens into the first corner and profit, he never went up against a great teammate his whole career in my opinion.
Never said that, I said that I don't think he will because he's been the same over his career and it seems to be his personality. Maybe he'll surprise me, who knows. Either way, I'm not exactly writing off his career as you seem to be implying that I am. It's a hard club to join.
My point is more as it stands now you won't consider Lewis an all time great because of his mistakes/personality, not his ability or results. This is a paradox when you are comparing him with the likes of Schumacher who also had the ability/results but was a proven cheat, mulitple times in his career, dirty bordering on unfair, but he drove a Ferrari and raced in the good old days so he gets a pass now.
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Part of my post was also referencing that these two only went to Ferrari due to Schumacher. Rory Byrne did what only Newey has come close to doing in the modern era. Great designer.
Hamilton is a wanker but he's a great driver and to pretend otherwise is silly.
You're misrepresenting my point now to the extent it's bordering on the absurd, so I'm just gonna leave it with agreeing to disagree
I don't think he's saying he's not a great driver, he just won't consider him an all time great because of his personality/mistakes. Which is fine ofcourse, its a an opinion but I have to point out the irony when two drivers on that ultimate list are proven cheats, Schumacher more than once, Senna delibrately took out his teammate to win a World Championship. Imagine if someone did that today?
The internet would crash harder than the caf did when we signed Owen.Ex-teammate
Team radio would've been great in those days.I was actually wrong there, technically you could argue Prost or Senna did it at McLaren but the one I was thinking of was Suzuka with Prost in the Ferrari. Senna just had no intention of getting around the first corner clean.
Your point keeps bouncing around, first it was you won't consider him an all time great because "he's just too dumb and impetuous too much of the time", then it was because he doesn't have "race management" which he clearly does although I'd never put him up there with Schumacher for that. I don't exactly know which criteria you are using to judge them all but clearly it doesn't match up with my own so lets just leave itYou're misrepresenting my point now to the extent it's bordering on the absurd, so I'm just gonna leave it with agreeing to disagree
I think overall that opinion of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Clark and Fangio being the best and thats it just rubs me up the wrong way, like those names are set in stone and no matter what modern day drivers do they can't enter that list. All these people that class Fangio up there, they ever actually see him race? Generations shouldn't be directly compared.
I am a big Lewis fan but I agree with this 100%
It's all very subjective in the end. I don't think it's set in stone either, as we see in football with Messi and Ronaldo, Tennis with Federer, sprinting with Bolt, prolonged supremacy over your peers is always going to stand out. Even Schumacher wasn't exactly a long time ago but he's unquestionably in the bracket, and not because of his stats (scoring over twice as many wins as Senna for instance is clearly anomalous).Your point keeps bouncing around, first it was you won't consider him an all time great because "he's just too dumb and impetuous too much of the time", then it was because he doesn't have "race management" which he clearly does although I'd never put him up there with Schumacher for that. I don't exactly know which criteria you are using to judge them all but clearly it doesn't match up with my own so lets just leave it
I think overall that opinion of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Clark and Fangio being the best and thats it just rubs me up the wrong way, like those names are set in stone and no matter what modern day drivers do they can't enter that list. All these people that class Fangio up there, they ever actually see him race? Generations shouldn't be directly compared.
Should also point out that I never said Lewis "doesn't have" race management, merely that he was below Schumacher and Senna in terms of it, as he's below Alonso now.
In 2000, Mclaren's MP4-15 was close in performance to Ferrari, and in 2003, both Williams and Mclaren took the fight to Ferrari.