Innocent until proven guilty. Joining the Ultra ain't criminal act. They act out later is. Thing is when they act out they act out with numbers so not easy for local police to step in. Your special force can't just follow them every step. And there would be new faces popping up when the old ones got blacklisted
The Europa League 2017/18(Use the SF thread to discuss the current match)
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I can safely speak about my own country and in our case, it's well known the biggest ultras fractions and organisations are actually drug trafficking circles, protected by certain wealthy individuals in the country, some not affiliated officially with criminal behaviour, others being notorious and well-known for their crimes throughout all Europe and parts of the world. So I actually know how these "communities" survive here.
What I don't get is how it's not stopped when it reaches Central and Western Europe. I'm sure they have the resources, the information and the tools to do just that, if it's something the responsible authorities were seriously bothered about. It's definitely not impossible to tackle this problem with much more intensity and force when needed.
More info needed such as whether these individual are in their countries watch list to begin with? Even if they're the sad truth is against organized crime, many times the government don't have the resource to weed the frys. They are more invest in to take the organization down, which is tough and resource draining. What is the point of catching few bunches here and there when with the dirty money involved, there would always be new guys taking over. Government end up using tax to feed these prisoners, and there is no end of them!
I've been following updates on the Spartak Bilbao clash on twitter and reddit that are talking about this being a pre-arranged thing between ultras of both clubs that got way out of hand and ended up seeing lots of normal fans attacked. The police apparently had a good idea what was going to happen and were prepared. There are Spanish posters in the reddit soccer thread on it mentioning the policeman that died of a heart attack was attacked by Herri Norte not the Spartak fans.
Shameful stuff that should see both clubs punished.
Shameful stuff that should see both clubs punished.
Definitely a tougher competition to win than last year. I think Lazio, Leipzig, Lyon and Marseille would all give Arsenal a good game, too.
Good luck to those who make the journey to Russia for the World Cup in a few months time
Rooting for Lazio or Lyon to win the thing. Happy to see Salzburg qualify, too.
Good thing Russia got the World Cup.
Wasn't their Minister for Sport associated with the Russian Ultras and take pride in them rioting at the Euros ? Or something along those lines.
I hope there is an investigation and bans for these cnuts.
That's not even down to racism, is outright sociopathy making use of racism
It's just bonkers. These people should be banned from society in general
Don't Serie A teams get fined so often for racist chanting? I remember Juventus, Inter fans used to get fined a lot, maybe I mixing them up with other Serie A teams.
Not nearly often enough
And when you point it out to them, the defence is always the same "we didn't racially abuse him because of the color of his skin, therefore it wasn't racism!" And they genuinely believe it too!
Draw is about to start
I'd like to avoid Arsenal and Atletico
5 teams left with Milan, Arsenal and Dortmund in the draw and we get Viktoria Plzen 
Arsenal vs Milan!
Oh Arsenal.
That's good isn't it?5 teams left with Milan, Arsenal and Dortmund in the draw and we get Viktoria Plzen
Who did Madrid get?
Lol Milan. This should be a good game. It's like a CL game essentially but played in the EL.
Lazio v Dynamo Kiev
RB Leipzig v Zenit St Petersburg
Atletico Madrid v Lokomotiv Moscow
CSKA Moscow v Olympique Lyonnais
Marseille v Atletic Bilbao
Sporting v Viktoria Plzen
Borussia Dortmund v Salzburg
AC Milan v Arsenal
RB Leipzig v Zenit St Petersburg
Atletico Madrid v Lokomotiv Moscow
CSKA Moscow v Olympique Lyonnais
Marseille v Atletic Bilbao
Sporting v Viktoria Plzen
Borussia Dortmund v Salzburg
AC Milan v Arsenal
It's perfect although I don't know anything about them. We'll still most likely get knocked out by the first good team we play
They will have to play a lot better than last night and he will need to put his best side out.
Kind of sad that the strongest teams are already paired against each other.
Good game nonetheless, but still.
Good game nonetheless, but still.
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Europa League looks much harder to win this season.
We really did well last season to get the route we did
We really did well last season to get the route we did
Should be a fun watch that arsenal tie. Gattuso has steadied the Milan ship but if Wenger goes for it, they should advance.
I was hoping Milan would go far in the EL this season, it's needed for the morale. Make it happen, Arsene!
You would think so, but if there is a way to feck it up then Wenger will find it. Selling Giroud, Auba being cup-tied, Lacazette injured, being left with the fabulous Danny upfront.
True. Wenger has no reason not to play his full team as after Sunday it's the only competition we're still in.
Time to get Revenge for the 4-3. Only Issue is that we have no good striker up front as Auba is cup tied.
His constant slip ups and lack of coordination might be the key to getting in behind Bonucci and Co.
Tricky draw. Could have been worse though. Hopefully Lacazette can make a speed recovery because i don't trust Welbeck.
Milan will play Andre Silva so they have no good striker either.
He might be better if they put him on a skateboard as he is no good on his actual legs.
Ramsey false nine 9 - Özil as 10 and Wilshere and Xhaka behind. I can't survive another game with Welbeck.
Expected to get teams like Rostow and now we have Milan, nice. Attractive - Lyon, Dortmund, Atletico in the next rounds hopefully.
I had hoped for the duel of the soda clubs.