Erm, what? England bid for 2018, not 2022.
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Erm, what? England bid for 2018, not 2022.
ok 2018, I was replying to Irwins comment where he said 2022. I knew what he meant and the sentiment was clear.
Terry was standing his ground, the keeper jumped under Terry's arm pits so couldn't reach the ball, was never a foul
My bad. Same idea though.
no worries at my end, i knew what you meant
Not so sure about that...
My squad would be:
Hart, Stockdale, Foster
Johnson, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Jagielka, Jones, Baines, Cole
Walcott, Townsend, Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, Wilshere, Milner, Morrison
Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert
Fringe players: Smalling, Cleverley, Young, Barkley, Defoe, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlaine, Sterling, Lescott
Care to put some money on Morrison going Jacob? He won't get a sniff. Probably not even a senior call up for friendlies this year.
Also, Terry has retired from England duty.
Also, Terry has retired from England duty.
^ trudat
Penalties. And England are out.
The press are gearing up. Brazil will be Rooney's "crowning glory" (thought that was his hair transplant) and he'll show the world what he's really about. Had to laugh at that. I suppose they'll be thinking that the performances he's turned in for United and England down the years have gone unnoticed by the rest of the football-playing world. I swear that half of these sportswriters don't bother to think before they type. They just reach for their Chambers dictionary of cliches.
English media summer 2014 boom/bust chart.
Sorry if it's a bit lame, my RedCafe summer meltdown chart was better
About time...
Until a couple of years ago the diagram for Germany would've been almost the exact opposite of yours (at least for world cups)
By law of averages: we must be due a penalty shootout win!
By law of common sense: Penalties. And England are out.
Neither Johnson nor Walker has convinced at right back but it's a toss up between them for who goes and I'd go as far as to say one won't even be in the squad at all. Smalling and Jones can both play there and neither of the right backs can play in the centre. Makes more sense to have 7 defenders and free up another space for an attacking option. I'd predict:
Hart, Forster, Stockdale
Walker, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling, Baines, Cole
Townsend, Walcott, Gerrard, Carrick, Wilshere, Lampard, Barkley, Milner
Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert, Defoe
Personally though I'm not sure I'd bother with Defoe, Lampard or Milner but we aren't blessed with options. If Young builds up a bit of form, on loan or otherwise, he should be in the squad as it lacks wide options otherwise. Don't think Sterling, Zaha, Oxlade, Ince or Redmond are international standard yet but it might be worthwhile bringing one along as an impact player. Cleverley seems unlucky to miss out but there isn't much need for him with Gerrard, Carrick and Wilshere, but I'd definitely take him ahead of Lampard, who will inevitably go. Barkley would probably be Rooney's back up in the number 10 role so bringing Morrison would be a bit pointless, as exciting a talent as he is. Defoe would never start and I think we have enough options with Sturridge in form and Lambert as the other option. If Sturridge and Lambert picked up injuries I'd rather bring in Barkley and push Rooney forward than rely on Defoe.
Hart, Forster, Stockdale
Walker, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling, Baines, Cole
Townsend, Walcott, Gerrard, Carrick, Wilshere, Lampard, Barkley, Milner
Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert, Defoe
Personally though I'm not sure I'd bother with Defoe, Lampard or Milner but we aren't blessed with options. If Young builds up a bit of form, on loan or otherwise, he should be in the squad as it lacks wide options otherwise. Don't think Sterling, Zaha, Oxlade, Ince or Redmond are international standard yet but it might be worthwhile bringing one along as an impact player. Cleverley seems unlucky to miss out but there isn't much need for him with Gerrard, Carrick and Wilshere, but I'd definitely take him ahead of Lampard, who will inevitably go. Barkley would probably be Rooney's back up in the number 10 role so bringing Morrison would be a bit pointless, as exciting a talent as he is. Defoe would never start and I think we have enough options with Sturridge in form and Lambert as the other option. If Sturridge and Lambert picked up injuries I'd rather bring in Barkley and push Rooney forward than rely on Defoe.
No way more than 5 utd players will go for England. I suspect smalling, young and cleverley won't go sadly
Wait. It wasn't a joke?
Can't believe Milner keeps getting game time and people like Adam Lallana don't even get a chance.
November 15, Wembley stadium, England vs Chile... sweet.
In the last game, the other important thing aside from Marcelo Salas breaking Campbell's hips and scoring a beautiful goal, was Michael Owen making his international debut for England, the youngest of the century.
Any probable candidate to debut next month?
In the last game, the other important thing aside from Marcelo Salas breaking Campbell's hips and scoring a beautiful goal, was Michael Owen making his international debut for England, the youngest of the century.
Any probable candidate to debut next month?
Barkley
Barkley has been capped.
Bastard. I thought he had, but on the times today they mentioned someone who hadn't been capped but could go to Rio. I could only think Barkley
Adnan Januzaj.
I don't really see why any of that list will miss out. Most of them are players that have alreasy played a big part under Hodgson.
Jones, Rooney and Welbeck are guaranteed to go if fit.
Hodgson has used Cleverley loads. If he's fit I'm certain he'll go.
I'm confident Carrick will go now that Barry and Parker don't seem to get a look in anymore.
I think if Young is fit and showing any kind of half decent form he'll go just because of his experience and versatility to play anywhere across the front.
Granted Smalling could be at risk if Walker and Johnson are both fit but we're not exactly spoiled for choice at CB. Who would go instead? Richards? Shawcross? Dawson?
Well to be fair that's not a like for like comparison really. Also, Lallana needs to show some consistancy for Southampton first. He's been subbed early quite frequently this season.
Surprised Jenkinson hasn't at least had a call up yet and, as above, someone like Lallana might get an opportunity given Southampton's form so far this season.
Could be an interesting time for England, with Liverpool's English players all doing well 3 if not 4 of them should be starting. Then there's Gary Cahill who has been a rock for the last month and a bit as Chelsea hit some form.
Is it time for Rooney, Sturridge, Sterling up front? Cahill and Smalling at CB is looking a lot more healthy. Even the goalkeeper is decent again
Is it time for Rooney, Sturridge, Sterling up front? Cahill and Smalling at CB is looking a lot more healthy. Even the goalkeeper is decent again
Define interesting, because right now I still think England will do very well to get past the group stage.
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To be fair mosts people in England don't think they will get through. But I suspect they might surprise a few people. The England national team is in a bit of a state because of the lack in depth of quality players. Certainly in terms of quality we are far behind most other big football nations.
However, there are some quality players around, especially the forwards. They have a lot of pace up front (argubly the fasted forward line in world football) and some decent strikers. So England will be able to sit back, keep in tight and hit the opposition on the counter. It's not pretty, but very effective for tournament football as any Italian will tell you. We saw a glimpse of this against favourites Brazil last summer, a match England were unlucky not to win in the end. I can see a suprise, a semi final even.
A team that plays well and gets a few results, rather than 11 players picked because of their names and consistantly fails. I think the current deserved first 11 would be very different to 6 months or a year ago.
I imagine it's always going to be Jagielka over Smalling, no? Roy seems to go to Cahill and Jag if fit. I think the only way anyone else is getting a look in is injuries.
Need to bring JT back from the cold if we want to get out of the group stage. Having Mourinho's centre back pairing would be very good for the team. I wouldn't get excited about Sturridge, he is a fairweather player, bottles it every time he puts on the England shirt. Perhaps Sterling might be able to do something. Gerrard will probably be solid as usual but it won't be enough.
TBH, I'm far more worried about England than Italy. Nothing to do with ability but playing style, it doesn't suit us at all.
Playing a similar system to Liverpool with the front players might help, especially with Sterling coupled with Rooney who is similarish to Suarez. I'd agree he hasnt looked right for England yet, using him the same way his club does can only help.
There is a lot of pace around in that England squad, Townsend, Sterling, Welbeck, Sturridge etc etc. No other team at the WC will have that amount of pace available.
Mourinho dropping Cole has done us a favour, surely Baines will become our first choice at left-back now.
I'll be happy with a centre-back pairing which has any 2 of Cahill, Jagielka or Smalling. In the midfield, I expect he will play 3 - probably Gerrard, Wilshere and one more. On this seasons merit it should be Henderson for sure, but Carrick would help us keep the ball well and he shows trust in Cleverley time and time again.
Sturridge and Rooney are nailed on to start up top; hopefully Sterling for the other spot but probably Welbeck and maybe Townsend. Welbecks a weird one - we often complain about players who perform for club and not country, so how can we ignore Welbecks record? Still, I'd rather Sterling, I think he's ready.
I'll be happy with a centre-back pairing which has any 2 of Cahill, Jagielka or Smalling. In the midfield, I expect he will play 3 - probably Gerrard, Wilshere and one more. On this seasons merit it should be Henderson for sure, but Carrick would help us keep the ball well and he shows trust in Cleverley time and time again.
Sturridge and Rooney are nailed on to start up top; hopefully Sterling for the other spot but probably Welbeck and maybe Townsend. Welbecks a weird one - we often complain about players who perform for club and not country, so how can we ignore Welbecks record? Still, I'd rather Sterling, I think he's ready.
Rooney would have to be ok being deployed on the wing. That's how Suarez and Liverpool accommodate Sturridge. Of course, he doesn't stick around but I'm not sure that Rooney would be ok starting there and floating.
No, Suarez goes where he pleases. Which used to be Rooney too. Sturridge and Sterling go into the gaps Suarez leaves behind by coming to get on the ball