It's a cup competition so depending on who they draw anything is possible. That said, it's still an extremely unlikely scenario.
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It's a cup competition so depending on who they draw anything is possible. That said, it's still an extremely unlikely scenario.
Exactly. Had Ireland beaten Spain in Korea in 2002 which went to penalties we had a pretty handy path to the finals. It was genuinely possible that we could have got there. Cup football depends so much on luck it's always possible.
That's why I mentioned luck.
I don't think the last 8 is unrealistic and then in a 1 off game who knows. With a bit of luck we could make it through.
If you are going to rely on luck you are already fecked. If luck played such an important role we wouldnt see the fact so few nations in the entire history of the WC have won the thing. Luck isnt the reason Germany, Italy, Brazil have won it multiple times.
No-one is saying they are going to win it though, in fairness. Just that they're capable of springing a surprise like Turkey in 2002. It is just a teeny bit optimistic though given the only other team around that level to reach the semis in over 50 years is South Korea from the same tournament, but wildly optimistic hopes are part of the fun of the England charade are they not?
No one's relying on luck. I'm not sure what you're going on about here but you're determined to make something over nothing. I was simply saying the last 8 isn't unrealistic and then anything can happen in a 90min match.
I just hope that when we get knocked out it's not due to a dodgy refereeing decision like 98, 2004, and to some extent 2010
He'll be back on the bench as soon as opposition teams suss him out and realise how ridiculously exposed he leaves his flank all the time, and Walcott tricks people into thinking he isn't shite again.
Either that or the England team selection thing will happen where teams will suss out Townsend and his form will deteriorate, but he'll be picked for every game for the next 8 years regardless.
You sure about this? I'm pretty certain that all the Irish people I know since moving here passionately support whomever England are playing, particularly in football and rugby.
It's on!
Send the under 21s instead
This is my new favourite thread.
Hodgson is a masochist.
Well of course we're not going to let on we're happy to see England get there to a fecking Brit. I 100% guarantee every true sports fan in Ireland would honestly rather see England qualify than not qualify especially because we're out. The world cup is a shocking boring event without you if we're out.
This is true, we'd rather you qualified than didn't. Assuming we haven't qualified that is... But it is also true the nation takes up supporting the teams England are playing.
In my perfect world cup without Ireland, I'd love to see England get through to the final and then Gerrard and the boys I hate all feck up, get sent off, score OG's and lose the final giving the british media their fresh meat. Turnip MkII
Yeah, pretty much a perfect world cup without Ireland.
However, the English penny has dropped, they're not expecting glory, they're satisfied with the quarter final so maybe an exit in the group stage would be better?
But going out in the group stages would indicate a multitude of failures from lots of people making it hard to make one person the scapegoat. I think it's much more satisfying when they end up with a Taylor/Southgate/Beckham type hate figure.
But a loss in the final and they'd all return heroes.
Not the way I visualise it. Gerrard misses a penalty, scores and OG and gets sent off.
Actually Count, maybe we all do hate the English.
This is what supporting a shite nation leads to. Bitterness, contempt and hatred.
Classic mistake the Irish make. We blame everyone. Especially the ref, the players, the manager and man utd.
Same here.
Apart from Owen's dive for the penalty in Saint Etienne, there was nothing dodgy about any of the big decisions in 1998 or 2004.
The English fans are disappointingly pragmatic meaning neighbouring fans like ourselves of middle-of-the-road cannon fodder have nobody to get riled up about. I'm sure the media will fill that void though.
I would love to see England win the WC, I think it would be great for the sport overall, a bit of romance in there. I would love to see England host the world cup, I think England would put on a brilliant world cup.
The hate here is scary.
Should Sol Campbell's goal have stood? I barely remember it after all these years. Only the dreadful feeling of injustice that embedded itself into my English bones, remains.
Should Sol Campbell's goal have stood? I barely remember it after all these years. Only the dreadful feeling of injustice that embedded itself into my English bones, remains.
toucheUnbelievable decision not to give it to England.
Quite simply an incompetent decision.
98 I could see why you'd say that, but there is no way Sol Campbell's goal should have been disallowed in 2004
Confirmed that England have not been seeded.
Does not really matter, would of ended up with another tough team in the group anyway, seeded or unseeded.
I can almost hear the collective tightening of Spanish and Brazilian arseholes. Our boys are coming
Well only one team will win, so that's many losers.
After following in a more or less superficial way England, I wonder about the said quality of England : Is it because of the all the media hype or fan optimism that crash when the matches show the harsh reality ? Or England is just used to shoot itself ?
Not that I complain that much about England, since it's thanks to England, that I came to support United... well thanks to the awful ways some people reacted, and the great ways some other reacted.
After following in a more or less superficial way England, I wonder about the said quality of England : Is it because of the all the media hype or fan optimism that crash when the matches show the harsh reality ? Or England is just used to shoot itself ?
Not that I complain that much about England, since it's thanks to England, that I came to support United... well thanks to the awful ways some people reacted, and the great ways some other reacted.
So when England only gets to pick 20 outfield players to travel to Brazil, which United players will make the grade? Smalling, Jones and Cleverley must be fringe players.
I expect Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Cleverley, Welbeck, Rooney and maybe Young to all go.
If Zaha has some turn around he may be an outsider also.
I've not seen it for a while, but I'm pretty sure there are two offences in Campbell's goal against Portugal. Basically it's all John Terry's fault.