The Double Draft - QF: Invictus/Theon vs P-Nut

Who will win the match?


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TEAM INVICTUS


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Nothing too elaborate in the tactics for this match either, we plan on playing a balanced game and will look to keep it tight in the central areas whilst exploiting our advantage out wide - with Di Stéfano as the omnipresent puppet master and Nordahl the physical battering ram and world class finisher upfront.

We feel we have the edge due to:


1. SUPERIOR QUALITY IN MIDFIELD


In the previous match, the opposition had Zico - who edged out Rivera at #10. But now, the tables have turned - with a GOAT caliber orchestrator in Di Stéfano outclassing Platini. Both great players. But in terms of offensive output, drive, the ability to be 'at several places at once', leadership, workrate etc etc - The Don had Le Roi beat by a fair margin, in our estimation.

Furthermore, Di Stéfano is the crown jewel of a midfield of tremendous ability. He's backed up by the greatest Volante along with Falcão - Fernando Redondo: the best central midfielder in the world in the '90s, and a man who famously dismantled a robust United midfield boasting Roy Keane and Paul Scholes:

“He had succeeded where a year earlier Edgar Davids and Zinedine Zidane had failed; the most feared midfield quartet in Europe were not only contained but given a master class in ball retention and midfield orchestration by the Argentine. Roy Keane had never been so thoroughly dominated in a single game, especially not this Roy Keane, at the physical peak of his career. His gorgeous back-heel encapsulated his overall performance.



He made games his own; it was as if he was untouchable at times. On the left wing, he back-heeled the ball around the defender before retrieving it on the touchline and slotting it across the box for Raul to tap in. It rounded off a perfect game in which he became one of the few players to genuinely dominate Roy Keane from start to finish. Even Sir Alex Ferguson, after the match, heaped praise on Redondo - What does this player have in his boots? A magnet?”


His partner Obdulio Varela - is another player who wouldn't look out of place in an All-Time South American XI - the archetype of the Rioplatense No. 5; able to handle himself physically, superb at shielding his defense and linking play to the midfield. Widely considered one of the greatest Captains in the history of football and the best defensive midfielder to hail from South America. He will primarily mark Platini, and secondarily - help jam the central areas for Ronaldo.



As a combination, this midfield has everything - the most complete midfielder (if not player) in football history, arguably the most talented holding midfielder ever, and one of the greatest destroyers of all time - with two of the players being the most inspirational field generals in football history to boot.

In terms of guile, technical ability and work-rate we expect this trio to dominate any midfield combination the opposition will throw in our direction - in our view it is perfectly balanced and stylistically gets the most out of the collective talent on show.


2. MAJOR GULF IN QUALITY IN WIDER AREAS

Cole and Lahm are good players in the context of post-modern football - but in our view the opposition fullbacks are going to be outnumbered, outstretched and severely outclassed against the combination of Garrincha/Andrade and Ronaldinho/Facchetti.

Particularly if the opposition plays a narrow diamond formation - there is going to be too much space out wide and too little protection for the opposition fullbacks, especially when neither of them evidenced the ability to consistently play as lone flank managers at a high level - in a manner that will be required of them in this match.



That's probably the greatest winger ever in Garrincha, arguably the greatest fullback ever in Facchetti, the first superstar of football (preceding Pelé) in Andrade. And this guy:

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3. EXPLOITING THE PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE UP FRONT

For the record, Franco Baresi is arguably the best central defender in football - a great reader of the game, and fantastic distributor from the back. We are therefore certainly not going to minimize the impact the will have on the game.

But our striker choice is almost an anti-Baresi, and that unique skillset is the reason we picked him in the first place. At 5 ft 9 inches tall, and weighing ~70 kgs - one of Baresi's very few weaknesses was that he could be beaten in the air and struggle against supreme physical monsters. Enter Gunnar Nordahl:

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World Player of the Century: #46
IFFHS Sweden Greatest Player of The Century

A behemoth in the opposition box - naturally athletic and quick despite his imposing 6'1" and 95 kg frame - boasting devastating power and aerial dominance. He is known as one of the most clinical strikers ever - constantly challenging the defense with penetrative runs and finishing a record five times Serie A top goalscorer (no body else has managed more than three).

Serie A Top Scorer (5): 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955
Allsvenskan Top scorer (4): 1943, 1945, 1946, 1948
Olympic Games Top Scorer (1): 1948

He scored more than one goal per game if we take a three year peak - 442 goals in 504 matches and at international level 43 goals in 33 games. It was not easier to score in the Italian league back then either, the average top scorer finished at similar amounts every year as these days: 20-30. Only Nordahl has won 5 top scorer awards in the Serie A history - which stands as a record to this day. Nordahl was completely dominant, by having won 5 times in 6 seasons - an unparalleled feat. He dominated the box like Müller and was always in the right place after having made or found space for himself.

Nordahl remains the highest scorer in the history of AC Milan (incredible for a club that hosted Van Basten, Shevchenko, Weah, Inzaghi - among others), the 3rd highest scorer in Serie A history with with 225 goals in 291 games (his ratio of 0.77 goals per game is the highest among the Top 50 scorers of all time), and was until recently the highest scorer in a single Serie A season with 34 goals in 37 matches - a record that stood for over 60 years. That's aside from his record of 1.3 goals per game at international level.

* Credit: Caf's resident Scandinavian football expert Annahnomoss.


In a match-up of Milan greats - Nordahl's primary task is to play on the shoulder and keep Baresi engaged in aerial and physical duels.

With two fantastic flanks in Ronaldinho/Facchetti and Garrincha/Andrade doubling up on the opposition fullbacks, Nordahl will have an abundance of service from wider areas - in particular floated crosses to the back post which he can attack aerially against Baresi (5 ft 9) and Gentile (5 ft 10).

In addition to his pure goalscoring, tactically the combination of physical presence and natural technical ability makes Nordahl a fantastic spearhead for the midfield/wingers to play off - he offers elite level hold up play which will allow the likes of Ronaldinho and Di Stefano to break forward, the latter who lest we forget scored an incredible 307 goals in 396 games at Real Madrid.


4. THE WRATH OF KAHN VS JAN OBLAK

Ballon D'Or 3rd: 2001, 2002
FIFA World Player of the Year 2nd: 2002
Best European Goalkeeper: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002
IFFHS World's Best Goakeeeper: 1999, 2001, 2002
UEFA Best Goalkeeper: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002
Bundesliga Keeper of the Year: 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002
German Footballer of the Year: 2000, 2001
2002 World Cup Golden Ball

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TEAM P-NUT

Tactics


Keep it tight and play on the break. My team is full of warriors from back to front and the aim will be to bully the opposition off the park by getting in their face and harassing them from the first minute to the last. With the multiple turnovers my midfielders will generate, we aim to get the ball forward quickly and break in numbers.

Defence

I've gone for largely the same defence as last game with a definite defensive improvement on Maicon from the last round in the shape of Lahm. My defence is now stocked with players who unlike a lot of their modern equivalents defend first and attack second. Lahm is unquestionably the best defensive right back in world football at the moment and has been for a number of years. Gentile typifies what my team is all about in his no nonsense defending and is regularly recognised as one of Serie A's all time hardmen. Baresi is another Serie A import and is widely regarded as being alongside Beckenbeur as the greatest defender ever. On the left flank we have Cole, Englands top left back for much of his career and at one stage the greatest left back in the world (only rivalled by Evra due to their his attacking play). This will give a solid platform for my midfield and forwards to rely on.

Midfield

In my midfield I have again gone with the diamond formation that worked so well for me last time out. Anchoring the midfield I have gone with Hierro, a player renowned for his centre back displays, he was also an accomplished CDM and had a fantastic range of passing and long shot to go with his commanding defensive displays. His role in the team is key to how my system is going to work, however the specifics will largely depend on the system the opposition plays and how they look to break me down. I will cover this in the specifics at the end. Flanking Hierro I have gone with two box to box midfielders with the stamina and power to cover the pitch and support in both defence and attack. On the right we have a United all time great in Keane, he dominated the centre of the park for many seasons at United and stepped up his performances in the big games more than any other player I know. One of his main qualities is getting more out of his team mates due to his sheer will to win. His attitude towards the game combined with his engine make him a nightmare for opponents to play against and he will harass and harry the opponents from the first whistle to the last. On the other side of the diamond I have gone with a player not many expected to be picked at this stage in Pogba, he is a player that will require his specific role explaining to understand why he is the perfect fit so is one I will go into later on. At the tip of the diamond I have one of the GOAT in Platini, he is capable of running games on his own, controlling the tempo, popping up with numerous goals and assists and persistently being a nightmare for the opposition to lock down. In my system he will have runners all around him constantly making space and dragging markers away leaving him to link up so often just as he likes to before either playing the killer ball or slotting one away himself.

Strikeforce

Up top I have two strikers who are both in the top echelons of the game, but with drastically different styles. Ronaldo Fenomeno is a player I felt went largely under rated in the last fixture so this time round I am going to post a clip that shows exactly what I expect from him in this game. Ignore his position on the graphic he will have a free role and can pop up wherever he likes, running at players from start to finish, his dribbling at pace is a sight to behold and a nightmare for defenders. He will thrive off having players to link up with and the quick transitions from defence to attack will only open up more space for him. Batistuta is another who wasn't really feeling the love last game, despite widely being acknowledged as a powerful, complete striker. In my set up he will work within the width of the box, waiting for chances to fall his way his clinical finishing will be a guaranteed source of goals. His strength and positioning were enough to occupy both defenders at a time when Serie A was at its pomp and he should have no trouble battling against both again even in an all time draft.

Key Roles

Hierro

As mentioned previously Hierro's role largely depends on what the opposition intend to do in order to break me down. If they want to try and play through the middle Hierro will hold his role as a DM and help win the battle along with Pogba and Keane. Along with Baresi he will be responsible for getting the ball forward quickly and accurately into either Platini, Ronaldo or Batistuta and then holding his position following the ball up the pitch but always ensuring to be goal side. This will allow any second balls to be hovered up and pressured forcing quick turnarounds as mentioned previously.

If/when the opposition get fed up of running into a brick wall through the middle and want to take the game to the wings Hierro will be instructed to drop into the defence to make it a back 5. This will clog up the box with three excellent cbs and limit the number of chances the opposition could force from headers and crosses. It is this ability to play in two positions that is key to Hierro's role and he will be a key player in thwarting the oppositions attacks.

Pogba

Now we come to the controversial pick. Ladies and Gentlemen I introduce to you, United's new poster boy, Paul Pogba! Although I won't argue Pogba has not yet peaked and isn't even currently the best midfielder in the world, he is without a doubt one of the most complete around. Pace, power and skill coupled with an ability to make a tackle and an engine that ensures he can get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes make him perfect for the role on the left side of my diamond. The criticisms currently levelled at him are that he doesn't control and run the game as well as should be expected for a midfielder of the level some including myself put him at. In this system he doesn't need to. I've got Platini to run my offensive game and Hierro/Baresi doing the commanding at the back. In my system he is just another piece of the jigsaw and his ability to perform both the defensive and offensive aspects of the game are key. He is a modern box to box centre mid with plenty of skills and tricks up his sleeve to get him out of tight situations and a long range strike that can tear the net off. Pogba is a player that produces moments of magic and that is exactly what the big games are usually decided by. Again I stress I don't need him to run the game for me, just to provide his indisputable energy and those moments of magic when it matters.

Why I'll win

Goals galore


Ronaldo (616/414) - GOAT striker
Batistuta (606/374) - Serie A Legend
Platini (652/353) - GOAT attacking mid, scoring rate to rival strikers.

I have three players spearheading my team that have more than 1000 goals scored between them. This is backed up by 3 midfields that are all more than capable of scoring goals, with Hierro and Pogba both being long range specialists there is no way you are stopping me from scoring.

It is worth mentioning that all players are playing not only in their preferred positions but also in their perfect roles as well.

Warrior Mentality

My team is built on the ideology of winning the battle first to win the war. It is something that is slowly being eroded from modern football but the old mantra rings true. You can't win a game without first winning the battle. I've got warriors throughout my team and the power they will bring to the game is unmatched. Keane and Gentile are both considered some of the hardest players to ever play in their leagues. Pogba is a brute in the modern game despite his silky skills he is a beast physically. If their is one fanbase I don't need to explain the importance of power in the core of a side to it is United fans. For years we have been battered in big games due to lack of a physical presence in the mould of Keane. This team has that presence in abundance.

Set Pieces

Heirro was a set piece master. Scoring over 20 goals as a defensive midfielder due to a large number of set pieces. Also the sheer height and power of the team will cause chaos at corners and free kicks. Pogba, Heirro, Baresi, Gentile, Batistuta and to a degree Keane are all more than capable of popping up with a goal.


Overall my team is balanced, powerful, pacey and has the tactics perfectly aligned to the players on the field.

@Invictus good luck and I look forward to the discussions.
 
@Invictus @Theon good luck boys. Seems like my decision to have Hierro to add to that defensive presence was a master stroke. Gentile and Hierro will more than aid Baresi in winning the aerial duels which is the main area your threat will be posed from.

It also seems that your full backs will be asked to attack hence the doubling up on my full backs. Whilst this will undoubtedly get you joy, Ronaldo is going to thrive with drifting into wide areas and dribbling straight at the heart of your defence.
 
New addition profiles

JOSÉ LEANDRO ANDRADE

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1930 World Cup Bronze Ball
1930 World Cup All-Star
Olympic Gold: 1924, 1928
1930 World Cup winner
South American Champion: 1923, 1924, 1926
Primera División Uruguaya: 1924, 1932, 1935

The first international football superstar. Yes, you've never heard of him, others think differently:

IFFHS Football Player of the Century: 29th
France Football's World Cup Top 100 1930–1990:10th (YES, THAT'S TENTH, FROM THE VERY PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU THE BALLON D'OR EVERY YEAR SINCE 1956)

He would both shut out his flank AND make the transition to attack, carrying the ball out of his own half and terrorising defences with his dribbling and precise long passing/crossing.The Black Marvel, as the French baptised him was the fulcrum for a dominant Uruguay side which picked up two Olympic Golds, the first World Cup and three Copa Américas.

*Credit - antohan

FERNANDO REDONDO

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UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2000
FIFA XI: 1996
2000 UEFA Champion Leagues Most Valuable Player
Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 1992
Madrid Player of the Year:1997, 2000
Champions League: 1998, 2000, 2003
La Liga: 1995, 1997
Intercontinental Cup: 1998
Copa América: 1993

El Principe
Redondo is one of the most talented midfielders of all time, and arguably the best Volante to come out of South America - alongside Paulo Roberto Falcão. Though not a typical destroyer, Redondo was comfortable with sitting back, stopping the opposition attack - or stepping into the middle of the park to build the next move - or going on his trademark runs from the deep. A comprehensive threat that peaked as the best central midfielder in the world for the '90s decade, Redondo led Madrid to the Champions League title twice in 3 years, against steep odds - ending up as the UEFA Footballer of the Year in 2000.

GARRINCHA

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World Team of the Century
World Player of the Century: #8 (1st ranked winger)
FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 1962
FIFA World Cup Golden Shoe: 1962
World Soccer World XI
World Cup All-Star: 1958 and 1962
Brazil Player of the Century: #2
South American Player of the Century: #4
World Cup All-Time team
Best Player Carioca Championship: 1957, 1961, 1962
FIFA World Cup winner: 1958, 1962
“In the entire history of football no one made more people happy”. Eduardo Galeano, Uruguayan writer.

Mané Garrincha - Alegria do Povo (People's Joy) - the greatest winger in football history according to most (the only one who comes close is George Best), and arguably the greatest dribbler ever - many eminent football historians in Brazil and around the world refer to him being the equal of Pelé, with most considering him to be the 2nd best player in the history of Brazil. So awestruck was the British press by Garrincha's quality, that they claimed he was "Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and a snake charmer all rolled into one." A man of remarkable ball control, acceleration, crossing ability, imagination, technical skill and feints on the wing, as well as his ability to create chances out of nothing - he peaked in 1962 as a player who led Brazil to the World Cup title with several spellbinding performances.
He won the 1958 FIFA World Cup with Brazil together with the other talented player Pelé. When Pelé got injured at the 1962 FIFA World Cup, Garrincha almost single handedly won the World Cup with Brazil at a similar way Maradona did in 1986.

CARLES PUYOL

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EURO All Time XI
World Team of the 21st Century
2010 World Cup Dream Team
EURO 2008 Team of the Tournament
UEFA Best Club Defender: 2006
FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2010
UEFA Team of the Year: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 20102
010 World Cup Winner
2008 EURO Winner
Champions League: 2006, 2009, 2011
La Liga: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013

Carles 'Tarzan' Puyol was an immovable defensive rock for the greatest generation in Barcelona and Spain's entire history. A word-class defender at his peak, the epitome of 'never say die' attitude, a lion in the tackle and an inspirational leader - he is regarded as one of the most hardworking defenders ever - someone who gave 100% in all his performances, regardless of the occasion or the circumstances. Gifted with great strength and good speed, he had polished positional sense - which enabled him to negotiate against quicker strikers.

ALFREDO DI STÉFANO

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World Team of the Century
Super Ballon D'Or (only player to receive the award)
World Player of the Century: #4
La Liga Top Scorer: 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
European Cup Top Scorer: 1958, 1962
World Soccer World XI: 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
La Liga winner: 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
European Cup winner: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960
Intercontinental Cup: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960
Highest scorer in European Cup finals
Highest scorer in European Cup at the time of retirement

“Alfredo Di Stéfano was the greatest footballer of all time. He was, simultaneously, the anchor in defence, the playmaker in midfield, and the most dangerous marksman in attack.” - Helenio Herrera

“di Stefano. My hero. For me, he was the most complete footballer in history. That’s my opinion.” - Eusébio

“A great amongst the greats.” - Michel Platini

“He was simply the most intelligent football player I ever saw. If I had one player to choose, out of all of them, to save my life, he'd be the one.” - Bobby Charlton

“People argue between Pele or Maradona. Di Stéfano is the best, much more complete.” - Pelé

“The greatest player in history was Di Stefano.” - Ferenc Puskás

“He was my favourite player, and what I most loved about Di Stefano was everything he did he did for the team.” - Johan Cruyff

“For me the two best players were Alfredo and Pele. [ . . . ] He attacked, he defended, he passed the ball, he fought hard and did all of that in a career that lasted over 20 years. He had everything.” - Just Fontaine

“For me he was a master, he taught me a lot of things. [ . . . ] He wasn’t just a great as a player, but as a person too. As a person he was phenomenal.” - Diego Maradona

GIACINTO FACCHETTI

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World Player of the Century: #42 (1st ranked leftback)
European Player of the Century: #16
2nd Place Ballon D'Or 1965
EURO 1968 winner1970 World Cup finalist
1970 World Cup All-Star
EURO 1968 Team of the Tournament
FIFA Presidential AwardSerie A Champion: 1963, 1965, 1966, 1971
European Cup winner: 1964, 1964
European Cup runner-up: 1967, 1972
Intercontinental Cup: 1964, 1965

The legendary Giacinto Facchetti was the face of the greatestdefensive scheme in football history - Helenio Herrera's Catenaccio. Arguably the greatest left back at all time, he guided Italy to the final of the 1970 World Cup and lifted the Euro 1968 trophy as captain to add to his multiple European Cups with Internazionale. A man mountain of a defender who was like Maldini in defense, but like nothing else we have ever seen going forwards, he was a comprehensive threat - the man who defined Internazionale's fabled defense and its successor - Zona Mista with his peerless left wingback function, and even played a crucial role in the advancement of the European sweeper position later mastered by Franz Beckenbauer. A playmaker and goalscorer from left back in offense, and a rock in defense - challenged by very few attackers in his pomp - he could man the flank practically on his own - allowing the forwards to go central in attack.
 
Some videos to upload once I get back from work around 4.
 
@Invictus @Theon good luck boys. Seems like my decision to have Hierro to add to that defensive presence was a master stroke. Gentile and Hierro will more than aid Baresi in winning the aerial duels which is the main area your threat will be posed from.
This is precisely what we expected. By dropping Hierro into defense to counter the threat of Nordahl - you're leaving Platini + Keane + Pogba against Di Stéfano + Redondo + Varela - which is a matchup that we (or any other manager) will take 100 times out of 100. And even if Hierro drops, that still doesn't negate the threat of Facchetti and Andrade from deep. Especially when Cole and Lahm are primarily against Ronaldinho, and this gentleman:



It also seems that your full backs will be asked to attack hence the doubling up on my full backs. Whilst this will undoubtedly get you joy, Ronaldo is going to thrive with drifting into wide areas and dribbling straight at the heart of your defence.
Aye, I think Fenómeno will probably be your biggest threat in this match, since the team looks rather narrow overall. But we will blanket him adequately with a combination of Puyol, Nesta and Varela (when he's not on Platini). And coincidentally, Puyol's hard-man defensive style could be a good counter to Ronaldo.

Fenómeno wasn't at his peak here, but by congesting central spaces in the defensive shape of our team, we can minimize the room that he can dribble into:

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Hmm, apparently a quote is missing from the OP writeup, No problem.
World - Player of the Century

1."Pelé" (Brazil)
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8. Garrincha (Brazil)
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29. José Leonardo Andrade (Uruguay)
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42. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
These 3 + Ronaldinho, vs Cole and Lahm. Without being overly critical, this flank matchup should be interesting, to say the least.
 
I have a problem with Di Stefano dovetailing Garrincha and Ronaldinho - too much ball-carriers in one team, don't think that it's ideal. It won't lose Invictus the game though

Pogba, Cole, Gentile as a center back look out of place here
 
I have a problem with Di Stefano dovetailing Garrincha and Ronaldinho - too much ball-carriers in one team, don't think that it's ideal. It won't lose Invictus the game though

Pogba, Cole, Gentile as a center back look out of place here

Agreed on both counts.

And then there's our friend Goalie on top of that. Too many weak points.
 
Do you have any videos of "Goalie"? He sounds like an exciting player.

Yeah obviously a mistake it is Oblak though as expected.

I'll reply in detail to some of the comments once I finish work. Hard to get points down on the phone.
 
The fact that he wasn't at his peak there makes those clips pretty much irrelevant cause at his peak we saw him make mincemeat of better defenders than Puyol. Another thing is Ronaldo at his best used to peal wide quite a lot and to devastating effect.
 
Anyone around that can tell me how to spoiler things on here.

Don't really want to clog up the page with videos
 




May as well start with the most controversial pick that people seem to have a problem with. The top video shows how Pogba has developed as a player over these last few years to be well rounded. It focuses on the amount of chances created, not just his assists. You can also see his defensive prowess in the video as well. Granted its 28 minutes long so you will need some time to actually sit and watch but the 2nd video is a much more condensed version, however this doesn't really showcase his physical attributes and focuses more on goals and assists. If you want a true representation of what he will bring to my side watch the top one.

You will note how often he ends up wide on the left channel both in attack and defence looking for gaps or helping out the full backs when needed. Also the amount of times he gets himself out of a situation by using brute strength of a neat little trick is unbelievable for a box to box midfielder. His pace is evident in the first video as well, there is a clip of him out running Arjen Robben whilst dribbling with the ball, no mean feat!

All in all, Pogba is being massively under rated here due to being a youngster still learning his trade and being up against seasoned pros and in fairness some all time greats. If this was all that mattered though we may as well just list the formations and forget about the tactics. The areas he excels in are what are needed for this game and they are what he should be being judged on. Does he run a game like Redondo? No. Does he need to? No. He's a counter attacker, contributing to quick transitions whilst being sound enough defensively to not be a liability. As mentioned previously his pace and power combined with his long shots and ability to get out of close situations make him the perfect player for this role.



As mentioned before Ronaldo is going to be my key player in the offensive half in this game due to his excellent dribbling skills and him being able to pick up space when Invictus' full backs push on. As you can see from the video prime ronaldo (;)) is as good a player at beating a man as any on the pitch. He is at his most dangerous when drifitng wide and having another striker further up the pitch to occupy the centre backs. You will note from my OP this is exactly the type of situation I intend to create and the devastating effects it yields.

This guy will score goals in this game if left space by the full backs pushing on like Invictus intends them to do.



The aim of the video above is to demonstrate the wide variety of goals a player like Batistuta can grab. He's a powerhouse with a thunderbolt of a strike, the ability to win a header and more importantly can never be left one on one. The amount of times he has two defenders in attendance in that video and the ball still finds its way into the net is shocking. He will ensure that both defenders know they are in for a game and they will both be needed to try and nullify his threat. This opens the space for Ronaldo and a decision must be made. Ronaldo or Batistuta whcih do you leave or do you allow them both to be 1v1?



And now we move on to Platini. The player most will agree in the right system can be a nightmare to take out of a game and is one of the GOATs. He needs runners and link up players and no one can demand the ball more than him. He has got every single thing he needs in my set up. Keane and Pogba will work to get up and down the field providing the runners from deep for him. Ronaldo will offer the long ball out wide or over the top that he was exceptional at pulling off and Batistuta will be the powerhouse up top that he can play his little 1-2s with to set up his own scoring chances or play him through.

My whole system is built with each players strengths in mind and each of them are in their perfect setting in this system.

P.S a write up on Gentile and the reason he is not considered one of the GOAT.

Claudio Gentile is often remembered as the hard man of Italy’s World Cup triumph in 1982 but there is much more to the former Juventus player who became one of the best defenders in the world.

When one thinks of some of the greatest Italian centre-backs to have ever graced the game the likes of Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi, Giuseppe Bergomi and Fabio Cannavaro are probably the first names that come to mind. An unwavering defender, however, Gentile can also be considered amongst Italy’s elite defenders, despite his tendency to frequently commit unsportsmanlike tactics on the field.

Gentile was born in Libya in 1953, but moved to Italy at a young age and began his playing career at Serie B outfit Varese in 1972. After impressing in his first season with the side the then 19-year-old signed for Serie A giants Juventus a year later, spending the majority of his club career with the Bianconeri. Unsurprisingly, it was his time with the Old Lady under managers Carlo Parola and Giovanni Trapattoni, where he garnered the most success.

During Gentile’s 11-year spell with Juventus from 1973 to 1984, the formidable central-defender amassed over 300 appearances and won an impressive six league titles, two domestic cups, one UEFA Cup and a UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup. His move to the Torino-based side and his exceptional club form, also coincided with the hard-tackling Gentile receiving his first call-up to the Italian national team in 1975, having caught the eye of Azzurri boss Enzo Bearzot.

Gentile also established one of the most revered defences of all time for both club and country, alongside the ever-reliable goalkeeper Dino Zoff, dynamic full-back Antonio Cabrini and sweeper Gaetano Scirea. The aforementioned players were an integral part behind Juventus’ domestic feats, as well as two fourth-place finishes at the 1978 World Cup and 1980 European Championships, before prevailing 3-1 to Germany in the 1982 World Cup Final in Spain.

Controversy rarely, however, evaded the player as Gentile was renowned for his intimidating methods and dirty ploys. While opposition footballers respected a man like Maldini, the same cannot always be said for Gentile. The Juventus defender was largely feared by his opponents due to his fiery temperament and no nonsense approach, in order to nullify the involvement of his opposite number. This was epitomised during the second-round match between Italy and Argentina at the ’82 World Cup, where the stopper was heavily criticised for aggressively man-marking Diego Maradona out of the encounter.

After Italy’s 2-1 victory over Argentina, Gentile responded to claims about his hard-nosed tactics on Maradona famously stating, “Football is not for ballerinas.”

Of course, this was not an isolated incident with allegations he regularly dug his nails into rival strikers, oblivious to the referee. Gentile was also never afraid of going to ground and committing sliding tackles in a bid to unceremoniously impede his opponents from scoring or causing threatening situations.

But for all of his negative exploits Gentile would employ, he was an excellent defender in his own right, a testament of the collection of several personal accolades. He was included in the 1980 European Championship Team of the Tournament, in addition to the 1982 World Cup All-star Team, following Italy’s first World Cup triumph in 44 years.

Gentile’s retirement from the national team in 1984, in the end he was capped 71 times, coincided with his departure from Juventus, as the 31-year-old’s career was slowly winding down. He decided to embark on a three-year stint with Fiorentina, making over 60 appearances.

His move to the Viola did not yield any silverware and the pragmatic centre-half left the Tuscan club to join Piacenza in the Serie B for the 1987-88 season, turning out to be his final campaign as a professional footballer.

The decision to pull the pin on a highly decorated, yet equally contentious career due to his uncompromising style of playing the game, makes Gentile a rather unique commodity.

The proverbial saying of playing ‘hard, but fair’ only partially applies to Gentile who certainly played the game ‘hard’, in a tenacious manner, but on a number of instances was not ‘fair’ in his attempts to conquer his opponents.

Consequently, given his destructive history, it is perhaps this reason why Gentile is not spoken in as high regard or in the same breathe as the likes of Maldini, Baresi, Bergomi and Cannavaro.

Nevertheless, he was a true warrior on the pitch.

Do any search of Gentile are the term 'warrior' will crop up. I've mentioned it before but he is the opposite to Baresi and will contribute in all the areas that Baresi lacks.
 
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basically agree with @harms, although I have no issues with having 3 ball carriers in the team - on each flank and through the middle.

@P-Nut0712 you need to add the videos first as media and then spoiler them. In this way they are not visible.

The left side - Cole/Pogba looks underwhelming especially up against Garrincha and Andrade.

If Pogba has to play would make sense to move him on the right and have Keane on the left for more protection, while Lahm is better suited to follow Ronnie tucking inside. Cole vs Garrincha is the biggest mismatch on the pitch for me.
 
basically agree with @harms, although I have no issues with having 3 ball carriers in the team - on each flank and through the middle.

@P-Nut0712 you need to add the videos first as media and then spoiler them. In this way they are not visible.

The left side - Cole/Pogba looks underwhelming especially up against Garrincha and Andrade.

If Pogba has to play would make sense to move him on the right and have Keane on the left for more protection, while Lahm is better suited to follow Ronnie tucking inside. Cole vs Garrincha is the biggest mismatch on the pitch for me.

Ah God I'll do then again in around 5 minutes then.

With regards to your Pogba on the right comments please watch the long video on him for what I expect from him on that left flank.
 
Videos should now be working. Extremely quiet in here today.
 
Cole versus Garrincha is a mismatch in terms of all-time status/quality – not so much in terms of suitability to the task, I'd argue. Cole proved on several occasions that he was a match for top level contemporary wingers/dribblers/tricksters, and he was among the best in his position for many years – so while it is a mismatch, one can perhaps allow oneself to ask whether Cole isn't actually a wee bit underrated all things said and done.

As for Pogba, I just don't see the point. It seems like some sort of experiment more than anything: Can you honestly say that he's in the top bracket of available candidates for that role – in an all-time draft? Wide open pool? No limits?

He obviously is not. And that has nothing to do with underrating him, or simply looking at names. Again: Where does he rank on a list of players who'd be suited, tactically, for the role you have him play here?
 
Cole versus Garrincha is a mismatch in terms of all-time status/quality – not so much in terms of suitability to the task, I'd argue. Cole proved on several occasions that he was a match for top level contemporary wingers/dribblers/tricksters, and he was among the best in his position for many years – so while it is a mismatch, one can perhaps allow oneself to ask whether Cole isn't actually a wee bit underrated all things said and done.

As for Pogba, I just don't see the point. It seems like some sort of experiment more than anything: Can you honestly say that he's in the top bracket of available candidates for that role – in an all-time draft? Wide open pool? No limits?

He obviously is not. And that has nothing to do with underrating him, or simply looking at names. Again: Where does he rank on a list of players who'd be suited, tactically, for the role you have him play here?

Right with regards to Pogba. Can you name me a player that gets up and down the pitch like he does, possesses a thunderbolt of a long range strike, creates as many openings as he does and also has the power and strength to dominate opponents?

I seriously can't think of anyone that is as complete as him. As I've said he doesn't need to run the game, he also doesn't have to be a defensive master as he is surrounded by Hierro and Cole with Keane also filling in. He's in the team not as an experiment but as a known quantity. He is capable of travelling the length of the pitch with the ball at his feet, he creates plenty of opportunities for his strikers and he is no slouch defensively. He's exactly what I need in that role.

All everyone has said so far is that he's not up to it with no real area that he will struggle. It's getting frustrating covering the same points now with nothing concrete to argue against really.
 
Do any search of Gentile are the term 'warrior' will crop up. I've mentioned it before but he is the opposite to Baresi and will contribute in all the areas that Baresi lacks.
There is a reason why Juventus fielded Brio and Italy Collovati and not going with the "perfect" Scirea - Gentile combo (which became perfect post-factum). Gentile's strength is man-marking first and foremost, and a specific one - he targeted short agile players in the mould of Maradona, Zico and Platini. In that (if we don't discuss the change of the rules) he was arguably the greatest ever.

As a center back in back 4 I don't see his use here. Baresi was more physical and tough than Scirea, for example, so he doesn't need the additional "hardness" next to him, he has enough of it himself.
 
There is a reason why Juventus fielded Brio and Italy Collovati and not going with the "perfect" Scirea - Gentile combo (which became perfect post-factum). Gentile's strength is man-marking first and foremost, and a specific one - he targeted short agile players in the mould of Maradona, Zico and Platini. In that (if we don't discuss the change of the rules) he was arguably the greatest ever.

As a center back in back 4 I don't see his use here. Baresi was more physical and tough than Scirea, for example, so he doesn't need the additional "hardness" next to him, he has enough of it himself.

Maybe against any normal team yes. A team with De Stefano and Ronaldinho requires more than one excellent marker.

Hierro is a smart player and when the opponents go wide he drops in. That clogs the penalty area and limits the chances that would usually be available without him in the side. It's tactically perfect. The opposition comes through the middle he holds position and helps Keane and Pogba. They start getting towards the byline and he drops in clogging the danger area.
 
Gentile as a center back look out of place here

Don't really see the problem here. His methods were questionable, but there's good evidence that he's a top defender. The amount of work he puts in before matches to know about his opponents and tactics is notable as is his commitment on the pitch. Familiarity in playing with a sweeper like Scirea adds to his credit here. Comfortable in a free role and not afraid to step out if needed...I'd still rate him as a good CB and perfectly sufficient for the role here (against a single forward).

As for Pogba, I just don't see the point. It seems like some sort of experiment more than anything: Can you honestly say that he's in the top bracket of available candidates for that role – in an all-time draft? Wide open pool? No limits?

Yup. Probably the latest #Pogback craze, but I don't rate him at an all time level (not even close) based on what he has achieved till now.
 
Cole versus Garrincha is a mismatch in terms of all-time status/quality – not so much in terms of suitability to the task, I'd argue. Cole proved on several occasions that he was a match for top level contemporary wingers/dribblers/tricksters, and he was among the best in his position for many years – so while it is a mismatch, one can perhaps allow oneself to ask whether Cole isn't actually a wee bit underrated all things said and done.

As for Pogba, I just don't see the point. It seems like some sort of experiment more than anything: Can you honestly say that he's in the top bracket of available candidates for that role – in an all-time draft? Wide open pool? No limits?

He obviously is not. And that has nothing to do with underrating him, or simply looking at names. Again: Where does he rank on a list of players who'd be suited, tactically, for the role you have him play here?

Yeah, I meant all time status. At this level I'd rather see a more of a man marker against Garrincha, might not be the best ever but let's say Camacho level. Obviously Cole is a pretty sound defensively and has had success against Ronaldo in some games which is a good test of his abilities. Here Invictus/Theon have Andrade as support as well, while it's arguable how well will Pogba hold his own, having multiple other responsibilities on the pitch in both phases. I'm not that fond of Pogba's defensive abilities, especially having to play such a demanding role against one of the best midfielders in the game.

Sure, he can participate in both phases, but in terms of who he is up against I'd even take Vidal in his place as more proven and so far having higher peak level than him.

Pogba at the time is prospect of being one of the best in his current generation, but he's not there yet.

If you had Keane helping out Cole it might balance things out a bit but Cole/Pogba on the left side against Andrade/Garrincha is a bit underwhelming.
 
Don't really see the problem here. His methods were questionable, but there's good evidence that he's a top defender. The amount of work he puts in before matches to know about his opponents and tactics is notable as is his commitment on the pitch. Familiarity in playing with a sweeper like Scirea adds to his credit here. Comfortable in a free role and not afraid to step out if needed...I'd still rate him as a good CB and perfectly sufficient for the role here (against a single forward).
He is absolutely not suited to handle Nordahl and he isn't in a free role - Hierro isn't a third center back, he is a covering defensive midfielder here with Di Stefano and Ronaldinho lurking in his zone.

If Gentile was a right back man-marking Ronaldinho, it would've been brilliant, one of the best possible options (although it's bound to start a discussion about referee of course). As a center back here? Don't think so

If they were facing Romario for example - again, no questions.
 
Right with regards to Pogba. Can you name me a player that gets up and down the pitch like he does, possesses a thunderbolt of a long range strike, creates as many openings as he does and also has the power and strength to dominate opponents?

I seriously can't think of anyone that is as complete as him. As I've said he doesn't need to run the game, he also doesn't have to be a defensive master as he is surrounded by Hierro and Cole with Keane also filling in. He's in the team not as an experiment but as a known quantity. He is capable of travelling the length of the pitch with the ball at his feet, he creates plenty of opportunities for his strikers and he is no slouch defensively. He's exactly what I need in that role.

All everyone has said so far is that he's not up to it with no real area that he will struggle. It's getting frustrating covering the same points now with nothing concrete to argue against really.

It's not that Pogba lacks specific attributes IMO, more that he hasn't put in anywhere near the same body of work on the big stage as the other names on the pitch here. When you've got Platini lighting up Euro '84, Di Stefano dominating multiple Eurpoean Cup finals, Keane's iconic performances vs Juve and for Ireland vs Holland etc, I think the onus is really on you here to give specific examples of big match performances from Pogba. He hugely impresses me whenever I catch Serie A (mostly highlights in fairness) but I haven't been particularly impressed with him in the latter stages of the CL, and of course he had a quiet Euros. I understand that you don't need him to be your playmaker here, but he even flits in and out of games on a more basic level IMO. Honestly I think I'd prefer a more proven 'water carrier' type for the task here, someone who might lack the immense natural talent of Pogba but with more big-match pedigree.
 
Right with regards to Pogba. Can you name me a player that gets up and down the pitch like he does, possesses a thunderbolt of a long range strike, creates as many openings as he does and also has the power and strength to dominate opponents?

I seriously can't think of anyone that is as complete as him. As I've said he doesn't need to run the game, he also doesn't have to be a defensive master as he is surrounded by Hierro and Cole with Keane also filling in. He's in the team not as an experiment but as a known quantity. He is capable of travelling the length of the pitch with the ball at his feet, he creates plenty of opportunities for his strikers and he is no slouch defensively. He's exactly what I need in that role.

All everyone has said so far is that he's not up to it with no real area that he will struggle. It's getting frustrating covering the same points now with nothing concrete to argue against really.

What you're describing isn't a unique player type, though, is it? It's a box-to-box player of some kind. You can add specific elements to make him more unique – but that seems like a stretch unless you're going to claim that only a player who possesses exactly the same qualities can do a job for you. In which case one can easily counter it by asking whether this highly customized role (which can only be played by a 23 year old contemporary player) is preferable to a more generic box-to-box role (which can be played by any number of players who are, objectively, better than Pogba).

You want counter arguments beyond people saying that he isn't up to it – well, there you have one: You should have gone for an approach that allowed you to select someone other than Pogba, i.e. a finished box-to-boxer who wouldn't look out of place in an all-time draft.

The latter is what it comes down to, of course – there's no reason to pretend otherwise. Either you sell him as a perfect fit for a non-generic/customized role which you claim makes the most sense in this match – or you sell him as a player who does not look out of place in an all-time context. The first point is interesting but hard to buy (for me, at least) – the second one isn't plausible at all. If you think he's already an all-time level midfielder, you're overrating him in the extreme – as I think most would agree.
 
Right with regards to Pogba. Can you name me a player that gets up and down the pitch like he does, possesses a thunderbolt of a long range strike, creates as many openings as he does and also has the power and strength to dominate opponents?
Søren Lerby for example?
 
Out of the reinforcement round I'd probably have Souness, Robson and Pirri in that role who I don't think anyone bid on.

I'm not sure who has P-Nut on the bench but I think having Stoichkov on the left side for Pogba with Keane/Hierro as double pivots is much better option.

Pogba just sticks out in that formation and Goalie of course :)
 
I have a problem with Di Stefano dovetailing Garrincha and Ronaldinho - too much ball-carriers in one team, don't think that it's ideal. It won't lose Invictus the game though

What do you think is the specific problem here? Is it three dribblers per se or these in particular. Myself like @Enigma_87 don't really see an issue. They all play on their side of the pitch and Di Steafno will pick it up much deeper than both Ronaldinho and Garrincha. If I was to criticise it, it would be with Garrincha as he doesn't offer nearly as much off the ball as Dinho or ADS.

I understand what P-Nut is doing with Pogba, in particular picking a box-to-box with goal threat which is rarer than you'd think. Out of the options Enigma posted above I think Robson would have provided a better blend.
 
P-Nut developed an excellent side in the first round both in its quality and in the tactics deployed. That's a car crash of a transfer round though. With Platini, Keane and Hierro in the squad (never mind Vieira and Makelele to come back in), there was no reason for another central midfielder. Especially when all wonders of attacking talent were in the Woolies bargain bin, just yearning to be scooped up. There is probably at least 30-40 available players I'd rather see on the park rather than Pogba. And why is he even on that star-sprinkled turf while big-bollocked-Ballon-D'Or-winning-and-much-needed-width-offering Hristo Stoichkov is slumped frustrated on the bench?

I think Cole matches up well enough to Garrincha though. Obviously that's a tough gig for anybody, but I'd take him in that job over the majority of the left-backs in this pool (even an all-time pool). He has very few weaknesses defensively and, while his overall game is pretty shoddy compared to some of his all-time peers, he does a solid job here.

Still Invictus/Theon look like they mean business here. With that calibre on the flanks, big Nordahl will be lapping up the deliveries. The midfield trio is sound and the back five is just about there as well.
 
I have a problem with Di Stefano dovetailing Garrincha and Ronaldinho - too much ball-carriers in one team, don't think that it's ideal. It won't lose Invictus the game though

Pogba, Cole, Gentile as a center back look out of place here

I don't see a problem with Ronaldinho, Di Stefano and Garrincha playing together and all three have played in star studded attacks before - in my opinion it's an issue that gets overplayed on here and I don't see too much of an overlap in their roles or position anyway.

I think its potentially more of an issue when you have a multitude of dominant passers in the side, but even then I don't see any real problem and I think in a lot of instances having that quality throughout the team would actually elevate individual performances as opposed to limiting them.
 
There is a reason why Juventus fielded Brio and Italy Collovati and not going with the "perfect" Scirea - Gentile combo (which became perfect post-factum). Gentile's strength is man-marking first and foremost, and a specific one - he targeted short agile players in the mould of Maradona, Zico and Platini. In that (if we don't discuss the change of the rules) he was arguably the greatest ever.

As a center back in back 4 I don't see his use here. Baresi was more physical and tough than Scirea, for example, so he doesn't need the additional "hardness" next to him, he has enough of it himself.
Yes the fit is important. Hierro would be a better fit to deal with Nordahl: the two of them would just slug it out and it would be a classic physical battle. Gentile would just be swatted away by the big man - remember Vieri on steroids - and is more suited to the Ronaldinho gig out wide.