The definition of a Manutd's level player
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Look Devil,
Tonight, we still have Butt, Keane, Rio, Blanc, Fortune out.
and look at the probable team and reserves:
Barthez/Carrol or Ricardo
Gaz, Silvestre, Brown, JOS, May (because we're REALLY stretched)
Scholes, Giggs, Veron, Giggs, Beckham, Phil. Or you can go as far as Chadwick (who can do a good job on a good day) or Richardson (who has been proven to be a good potential)
RVN, Ole, Forlan
That's 16 players + 3 (Ricardo, Chadwick, Richardson). With the others back we'll have such a strong field of players that you won't need to think of buying anymore Devil. Utilize what you have. SAF doesn't like buying mid-season so save this conversation for later. Let's just cheer for the match tonight why don't we!
Tonight, we still have Butt, Keane, Rio, Blanc, Fortune out.
and look at the probable team and reserves:
Barthez/Carrol or Ricardo
Gaz, Silvestre, Brown, JOS, May (because we're REALLY stretched)
Scholes, Giggs, Veron, Giggs, Beckham, Phil. Or you can go as far as Chadwick (who can do a good job on a good day) or Richardson (who has been proven to be a good potential)
RVN, Ole, Forlan
That's 16 players + 3 (Ricardo, Chadwick, Richardson). With the others back we'll have such a strong field of players that you won't need to think of buying anymore Devil. Utilize what you have. SAF doesn't like buying mid-season so save this conversation for later. Let's just cheer for the match tonight why don't we!
Why is it always about Italy with devilish? The coaches, the players... We also loan players out, but we can't loan them to other premiership sides like Milan did with Donati, hence, such a thing is not a helpful with sending players to division 1, etc.
And why do you always have to come up with the palestine problems when you talk to me?
And why do you always have to come up with the palestine problems when you talk to me?
Well I talk about italian teams because after the EPL its the most league I am facinated to
Well let us put (we taken Manutd and Milan pool of players)
Manutd defense
G Neville P Neville O Shea Blanc Rio Brown Silvestre ( whom I rate as good reserves & including P Nev) strength in depth 7
Milan
Roque Junior, Colocini, Kaladze, Maldini, Costacurta, Serginho, Helveg, Nesta, Simic, Chamot
Laursen Stength in depth 11
Midfield Manutd
Keane Butt Scholes Veron Beckham Giggs Richardson Strength in depth 7
Midfield Milan
Albertini Gattuso Ambrosini Redondo Ba, Leonardo, Brocchi, Dalla Bona, Pirlo, R Costa Seedorf, Donati Stength in depth 12
Att
OGS, RVN, Forlan Stength in depth 3
Att
Inzaghi, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Tommasson, Boriello
Strength in depth 5
And remember that the Serie A has less teams to the EPL
Comeon PPL even SAF admits that we SERIOUSLY lack of strength in depth and quality in the reserves
Well let us put (we taken Manutd and Milan pool of players)
Manutd defense
G Neville P Neville O Shea Blanc Rio Brown Silvestre ( whom I rate as good reserves & including P Nev) strength in depth 7
Milan
Roque Junior, Colocini, Kaladze, Maldini, Costacurta, Serginho, Helveg, Nesta, Simic, Chamot
Laursen Stength in depth 11
Midfield Manutd
Keane Butt Scholes Veron Beckham Giggs Richardson Strength in depth 7
Midfield Milan
Albertini Gattuso Ambrosini Redondo Ba, Leonardo, Brocchi, Dalla Bona, Pirlo, R Costa Seedorf, Donati Stength in depth 12
Att
OGS, RVN, Forlan Stength in depth 3
Att
Inzaghi, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Tommasson, Boriello
Strength in depth 5
And remember that the Serie A has less teams to the EPL
Comeon PPL even SAF admits that we SERIOUSLY lack of strength in depth and quality in the reserves
Sorry forgotten fortune
And keepers we are each
Barthez Ricardo Caroll
Abiati,Dida, Fiori
Barthez Ricardo Caroll
Abiati,Dida, Fiori
We need a stronger pool but more we need a pool that we can blindly trust on
What I wanted to focus on was not Milan's bigger pool but on Milan's Quality reserves.
While we put ppl like P Nev May Chadwick and Pugh
They can pride of having Roque Junior, Shevchenko
Serginho and Gattuso.
My conlusion is this. I believe that we have one of the strongest first 11 in the world. But that is not enough
What I wanted to focus on was not Milan's bigger pool but on Milan's Quality reserves.
While we put ppl like P Nev May Chadwick and Pugh
They can pride of having Roque Junior, Shevchenko
Serginho and Gattuso.
My conlusion is this. I believe that we have one of the strongest first 11 in the world. But that is not enough
Great, so Milan has a bazzilion players. How much do they cost in wages? Do Milan pay the wages of players like Donati, Albertini and Coloccini who are on loan?
Last time I checked, Italian clubs were in big financial trouble. Maybe Milan aren't, because their owner is a billioner AND the bloody prime minister. It doesn't mean that the squads they keep make financial sense. It certainly would not in Manchester United PLC.
And I can't blame them!
We need a couple of more players. A striker and a left footed defender. Things like signing cover for midfield/wings would have to be at the expense of other squad players (Say, Chadwick) because as Peter Kenyon would tell you, there is a limit to how many players THIS club is willing to have in its squad and how much is it willing to spend on wages.
And I do find it ridiculous you compare Shevchenko and Roque Junior to say, David May, who isn't getting a sniff unless it's for one minute in the league (when we have several defenders out injured), or Danny Pugh. You are comparing the players who are on the fringe of Milan's first 11 to players who barely get a chance in the League Cup!
Last time I checked, Italian clubs were in big financial trouble. Maybe Milan aren't, because their owner is a billioner AND the bloody prime minister. It doesn't mean that the squads they keep make financial sense. It certainly would not in Manchester United PLC.
And I can't blame them!
We need a couple of more players. A striker and a left footed defender. Things like signing cover for midfield/wings would have to be at the expense of other squad players (Say, Chadwick) because as Peter Kenyon would tell you, there is a limit to how many players THIS club is willing to have in its squad and how much is it willing to spend on wages.
And I do find it ridiculous you compare Shevchenko and Roque Junior to say, David May, who isn't getting a sniff unless it's for one minute in the league (when we have several defenders out injured), or Danny Pugh. You are comparing the players who are on the fringe of Milan's first 11 to players who barely get a chance in the League Cup!
Devilish, is it fair to say that you're clueless?
Milan (unlike Real) are in a similar position to Manutd. They work on a budget so they must be shrewd in the transfers ( Rivaldo and Tommasson were brought on free) and big signing Nesta was compensated by the selling of Jose Mari, Contra and Moreno
The difference about Milan is that unlike Manutd they cut away the dead wood and the players that are not at their level. We keep faith on our dead and send them out ONLY when
1 they are too old
2 too crippled
3 When it is obvious that they are not at our level
You say that ppl like May have no impact in the team, then why we keep him then? He is on 15-17 grand so that he can celebrate other ppl wins.
You protect P Nev and yet you want new players to come and close him down more(Escude). Why is then the point of keeping him if you dont have faith in him?
My points are this
1. Sell all the dead wood
2. Bring in players who can COMPETE for a place
Is it so difficult to understand?
The difference about Milan is that unlike Manutd they cut away the dead wood and the players that are not at their level. We keep faith on our dead and send them out ONLY when
1 they are too old
2 too crippled
3 When it is obvious that they are not at our level
You say that ppl like May have no impact in the team, then why we keep him then? He is on 15-17 grand so that he can celebrate other ppl wins.
You protect P Nev and yet you want new players to come and close him down more(Escude). Why is then the point of keeping him if you dont have faith in him?
My points are this
1. Sell all the dead wood
2. Bring in players who can COMPETE for a place
Is it so difficult to understand?
Well if (Gattuso) an Italian int regular and a 15m rated player is not classy for you then who is.
P Neville?
P Neville?
1st Milan are not Bankrupt quite contrary they are doing profit
2nd We would dream of winning the things they have achieved ( 4 CL for God Sake!!!!)
They are like us with a wage budgeting my friend and were the first to agree with Kenyon for a wage capping
If you dont know pls dont reveal your lack of knowlege
2nd We would dream of winning the things they have achieved ( 4 CL for God Sake!!!!)
They are like us with a wage budgeting my friend and were the first to agree with Kenyon for a wage capping
If you dont know pls dont reveal your lack of knowlege
I support Manutd, even though I dont always agree with their choices.
Shes like a wife for me. I may argue with her but I still love her.
About Heskey, only in England stupid ppl are chosen to play with the national team ( Ex Palmer)
Gattuso is a very good player who had literally bullied out of the game ppl world class players like Becks and Figo
He is like Gerard's level more or less
Shes like a wife for me. I may argue with her but I still love her.
About Heskey, only in England stupid ppl are chosen to play with the national team ( Ex Palmer)
Gattuso is a very good player who had literally bullied out of the game ppl world class players like Becks and Figo
He is like Gerard's level more or less
Its still under discussion, but he has the backing of Galliani and Berlusconi
According to the Italian FA only Juventus and Milan did profit last year.
Inter and Roma the breakeven
About AC Milan's lack of success, well its not their fault. They had to change the entire administration and team which brought them Loads of Honours( more than SAF would ever dream for). This requires time. Manutd needed 27 years to
return to their best.
According to the Italian FA only Juventus and Milan did profit last year.
Inter and Roma the breakeven
About AC Milan's lack of success, well its not their fault. They had to change the entire administration and team which brought them Loads of Honours( more than SAF would ever dream for). This requires time. Manutd needed 27 years to
return to their best.
Ohh God you are stubborn.
Gattuso is the engine room of the Italian team
and claim the scalp of Becks, Figo and R Costa
He is not Keano's level
But he is Gerrard level
Gattuso is the engine room of the Italian team
and claim the scalp of Becks, Figo and R Costa
He is not Keano's level
But he is Gerrard level
Its hard to build an ERA my friend.Expecially when you have just witnessed the best team ever to play football ( Baresi Van Basten, Gullit team)
And BTW you are wrong. PPL like Maldini and Costacurta were part of that team
And BTW you are wrong. PPL like Maldini and Costacurta were part of that team
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Its hard to build an ERA my friend.Expecially when you have just witnessed the best team ever to play football ( Baresi Van Basten, Gullit team)
And BTW you are wrong. PPL like Maldini and Costacurta were part of that team</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know Maldini and Costacurta were part of their great teams of early 90's, but that's not the squad..
Anyway, you've never answered, who should have played instead of Phil Neville last Saturday?
Actually, only Juventus made profit last year. Milan lost. Milan, however, are unliked us, banked by a person who simply has loads of cash and is willing to spend it.
Latest reports claim the clubs in Italy spend 88 perfect of their income on salaries. That includes Milan, who's squad must be highly expensive. We won't pay that sort of money on wages.
Latest reports claim the clubs in Italy spend 88 perfect of their income on salaries. That includes Milan, who's squad must be highly expensive. We won't pay that sort of money on wages.
Milan aren't building an era. They're just building a very good team that will last a couple of years and nothing more.
But there's just no comparison. They do things their way (as they will not go bankrupt) and we'll do things our way (be successful and wisely economic so we don't go bankrupt!).
But there's just no comparison. They do things their way (as they will not go bankrupt) and we'll do things our way (be successful and wisely economic so we don't go bankrupt!).
Devilish, you are making some good points yet you don't seem to be addressing the issues that some of us are raising.
My question was that if why sell Phil Neville if he has a Red soul and does his job when we need him to? Your point that Inter has so much strength in depth is true, but how many of these players are like May - one match every few months? I don't remember Dalla Bona playing in the last 2 months or so, for example.
Also re Gattuso, he's the best holding midfielder that Italy can muster, that's true. But he's nowhere near Butt. Phil Neville plays just as well as he does.
My question was that if why sell Phil Neville if he has a Red soul and does his job when we need him to? Your point that Inter has so much strength in depth is true, but how many of these players are like May - one match every few months? I don't remember Dalla Bona playing in the last 2 months or so, for example.
Also re Gattuso, he's the best holding midfielder that Italy can muster, that's true. But he's nowhere near Butt. Phil Neville plays just as well as he does.
Gatusso?
oh please, the guy is a thug on the field, he got no skill whatsoever. The only reason why he was picked for the national team is because Italy didn't have much choice for the holding midfield role. Why do you think Milan played Pirlo ,an attacking mid, in that position if he was 'a world class' def mid?
oh please, the guy is a thug on the field, he got no skill whatsoever. The only reason why he was picked for the national team is because Italy didn't have much choice for the holding midfield role. Why do you think Milan played Pirlo ,an attacking mid, in that position if he was 'a world class' def mid?
I`m sorry but are you Greek Tony by any chance
Devilish, it's all very well bringing in world class players, but exactly how many world class players do you expect to compete for ONE place?!!
Stick to playing Championship Manager, mate!
Stick to playing Championship Manager, mate!
Devilish
You are a no hoper. You are not worthy of this club. We have the best, most loyal supporters in England. We topped the averages even when we got relegated and when we were in the second division. Go away and support a mid table team.
PS I still love you.
Before you get upset about what I have written, look at what you have written about Phil.
You are a no hoper. You are not worthy of this club. We have the best, most loyal supporters in England. We topped the averages even when we got relegated and when we were in the second division. Go away and support a mid table team.
PS I still love you.
Before you get upset about what I have written, look at what you have written about Phil.
go support AC Milan then. You seems to know their players, history, statistics more than us.
Well first of all good beginning of week, my friends. You really left me with so many point that I don’t know were to begin.
First of all, yes you guessed it, I admire AC Milan. Living in Malta you taste all type of football and watching Milan play in the early 90s was a joy (especially when in England we were still plying the long ball crappy rule) But this admiration is no where near to the LOVE that I have for Manutd. A love that is born in you and cannot be cultured.
Second point, AC Milan was ONCE ruled in a similar way Real is lead now. But things had changed. Silvio Berlusconi is more concerned on being a good leader of his nation rather than leading AC Milan. He is nowadays little more than a figurehead, and newly president Galliani has to lead the team under a strict wage budget. Facts had been seen that due to the buying of Nesta and Rivaldo. AC Milan were forced to sell Jose Mari, Moreno and Contra to balance the books. Another fact is that many of their signings came on free ( Tommason and Rivaldo) while they tend more on buying bargains ( Della Bona), raising youths ( Boriello) and barter players ( Simic and Seedorf) rather than splashing money on stars.
AC Milan MADE PROFIT LAST YEAR ( said by the Italian FA AND Galliani)
About who would replace May. As a player, I think he can be replaced by Laurent Blanc (altough I would opted for a two year contract to Ronnie Johnsen). OK he is 37 but gives us a bigger influence and would be ideal if introduced for those rare occasions when we need to lock the defense. As a mascot (May never plays because HE IS ALWAYS INJURED) I would go for Fred the Red
What I wanted was to cut the no hopers and bring in new PROMISING talent (LOCAL and foriegner) who have a hope of making an impact at OT. What is wrong in that? I was and I will remain AGAINST any type of revolution
Believing in young talent is a crime?
First of all, yes you guessed it, I admire AC Milan. Living in Malta you taste all type of football and watching Milan play in the early 90s was a joy (especially when in England we were still plying the long ball crappy rule) But this admiration is no where near to the LOVE that I have for Manutd. A love that is born in you and cannot be cultured.
Second point, AC Milan was ONCE ruled in a similar way Real is lead now. But things had changed. Silvio Berlusconi is more concerned on being a good leader of his nation rather than leading AC Milan. He is nowadays little more than a figurehead, and newly president Galliani has to lead the team under a strict wage budget. Facts had been seen that due to the buying of Nesta and Rivaldo. AC Milan were forced to sell Jose Mari, Moreno and Contra to balance the books. Another fact is that many of their signings came on free ( Tommason and Rivaldo) while they tend more on buying bargains ( Della Bona), raising youths ( Boriello) and barter players ( Simic and Seedorf) rather than splashing money on stars.
AC Milan MADE PROFIT LAST YEAR ( said by the Italian FA AND Galliani)
About who would replace May. As a player, I think he can be replaced by Laurent Blanc (altough I would opted for a two year contract to Ronnie Johnsen). OK he is 37 but gives us a bigger influence and would be ideal if introduced for those rare occasions when we need to lock the defense. As a mascot (May never plays because HE IS ALWAYS INJURED) I would go for Fred the Red
What I wanted was to cut the no hopers and bring in new PROMISING talent (LOCAL and foriegner) who have a hope of making an impact at OT. What is wrong in that? I was and I will remain AGAINST any type of revolution
Believing in young talent is a crime?
Well sorry if I just peered out of the OT pond
I am a Manutd supporter, who is open minded enough to
1 To accept your weakness
2 to admire other teams
3 learn from their good and avoid their mistake
But for certian ppl being brainy is a sin
You dont need to be close minded to be a Manutd supporter
I am a Manutd supporter, who is open minded enough to
1 To accept your weakness
2 to admire other teams
3 learn from their good and avoid their mistake
But for certian ppl being brainy is a sin
You dont need to be close minded to be a Manutd supporter