Even Manchester United isn't in bloody Manchester! 
The definition of a Manutd's level player
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thank you for your effort to explain! that must have been the longest post i've seen of yours in all my time here.. hahaha.. you study the Atlas?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Even Manchester United isn't in bloody Manchester!
Concepted in Manchester. Shaped by Salford. Envy of the world.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Even Manchester United isn't in bloody Manchester!
that I know.. i was there once, went the Mega store (the newest one i believe). too bad the stadium was closed so i couldn't get in.. it was before the season started.. did catch the Charity Shield between United and Newcastle tho.. was in Wembley, the last feckin row of the stadium (pitch side, not behind the goals). i could only see about the first 10 rows of the Newcastle fans on the other side, 'kinhell. but it was all worth it anyhow!
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>you study the Atlas?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
No, I just happen to know a little bit about the area where I was born (That was in Trafford BTW to be exact Urmston).
Originally posted by RUnited:
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so you were what? 5, 10 minutes away from the stadium?</strong><hr></blockquote>
10 yes, 10!
Also notice how giggzy The Manc has gone rather quiet in this thread.
He should support his local club, the pride of Manchester - City, and leave us Saltrafford people to support our team in peace.
In a country were even Charlton Palmer had played international football, you cannot wonder why P Neville has earned 17 caps with England. P Neville has won his caps under dumb Hoddle and dumber Keegan and we all knew that he was seen as a quick fix in a weak position rather than a definite fix. I am not putting this on Neville’s head but on those stupid English coaches that couldn’t see beyond their noses. In fact nowadays Errikson had preferred an old unknown (Powell) rather than our star.
There are 2 main reasons why I am against P Neville.
The first one is that he is a 30 grand player, who does not give any competition to any position. He was promised the left back, but nowadays there are Silvestre, O Shea and (in the future Escude). He was supposed to give competition to the right, but he had been outplayed by G Neville, Brown and O Shea, while at the defensive midfield he has no chance (with Keano, Butt and South African WINGER Fortune)
P Neville is
Paid to be a first teamer when he is the reserve of the reserve of the reserve.
He is closing the gaps for new talent (Local ex Tierney and Foreigner ex Escude) when we know that he will never be at our level.
The second main reason is personal. I care for P Neville and despite that he is not at Manutd’s level, I believe that he would have a decent carrier with another small Premiership side. Staying at OT will only kill his carrier and that is not fair. Realistic yes, hate never especially on a local lad. I would rather see him play and be respected in a small Premiership side rather than die as the reserves of the reserves at OT. Its not fair for him.
About who would play in the next game. Do you think that it is fair to keep only as the cover of the cover of the cover, just to play him when you are REALLY desperate? And btw with SAF trying O Shea as defensive midfielder it seems obvious that P Neville’s troubled carrier as defensive midfielder look numbered.
I really doubt who really hate P Neville, if you or me
There are 2 main reasons why I am against P Neville.
The first one is that he is a 30 grand player, who does not give any competition to any position. He was promised the left back, but nowadays there are Silvestre, O Shea and (in the future Escude). He was supposed to give competition to the right, but he had been outplayed by G Neville, Brown and O Shea, while at the defensive midfield he has no chance (with Keano, Butt and South African WINGER Fortune)
P Neville is
Paid to be a first teamer when he is the reserve of the reserve of the reserve.
He is closing the gaps for new talent (Local ex Tierney and Foreigner ex Escude) when we know that he will never be at our level.
The second main reason is personal. I care for P Neville and despite that he is not at Manutd’s level, I believe that he would have a decent carrier with another small Premiership side. Staying at OT will only kill his carrier and that is not fair. Realistic yes, hate never especially on a local lad. I would rather see him play and be respected in a small Premiership side rather than die as the reserves of the reserves at OT. Its not fair for him.
About who would play in the next game. Do you think that it is fair to keep only as the cover of the cover of the cover, just to play him when you are REALLY desperate? And btw with SAF trying O Shea as defensive midfielder it seems obvious that P Neville’s troubled carrier as defensive midfielder look numbered.
I really doubt who really hate P Neville, if you or me
Devilish, if we didn't have a cover for a cover for a cover in Phil Neville, exactly who would we have played in the current injury crisis?!!!
You are beginning to sound like a broken record. The reality is that Phil Neville was a fourth choice central defensive midfielder for us and he kicked the shit out of Viera on Saturday! Phil Neville did the biz on Saturday when it mattered - enjoy it or get over it!!!!
You are beginning to sound like a broken record. The reality is that Phil Neville was a fourth choice central defensive midfielder for us and he kicked the shit out of Viera on Saturday! Phil Neville did the biz on Saturday when it mattered - enjoy it or get over it!!!!
Well Im sorry but P Nev is not our level. Any decent player (as we seen it in the past) can take his place and I care too much for him to see him end like that
He is a non hoper at OT
He is a non hoper at OT
Phil N has had many perfectly sound games for United in various positions too , and several great games when the chips were down ..I remember him doing a man marking job on Zola a year or two back which was as important to us then as was his magnificent game on sat ......
Heart , commitment , drive and will to win are equally important ingredients in a successful player as ball skills , vision ,shooting ability etc, when you have both you are blessed indeed ...for me both the nevilles are Reds to their cotton socks , and more often than not have "done the job asked of them .....
They deserve our support and affection and Garys shedding blood v the dippers and carrying on , was exactly the image that warms supporters hearts .
The NEvilles are RED , thats goos enough for me
Heart , commitment , drive and will to win are equally important ingredients in a successful player as ball skills , vision ,shooting ability etc, when you have both you are blessed indeed ...for me both the nevilles are Reds to their cotton socks , and more often than not have "done the job asked of them .....
They deserve our support and affection and Garys shedding blood v the dippers and carrying on , was exactly the image that warms supporters hearts .
The NEvilles are RED , thats goos enough for me
Then answer me this.
If he is so good then why SAF uses him as cover of the cover of the cover?
Either SAF is not good enough
ORRRR
If he is so good then why SAF uses him as cover of the cover of the cover?
Either SAF is not good enough
ORRRR
its a squad .....the point is when he plays he very seldom lets us down ....I admire his loyalty in wanting to stay as he would be a egular in most Premership teams .....I think both parties are winners , as having a squad of big headed , moaning extraordinaryliy talented players just doesnt work ...Phil , and forlan , Fortune too are happy being in the squad of arguably the most glamorous club in the world ( easily so in the country ) if they are happy , perform for us when the chips are down ...well thats good enough for me and all the sweeter when they come good on crunch days
My friend this is not Veron's but P Neville's post
Well I would call Nicky Butt or Brown as utility players. Once Keano or Rio are injured they come in a give us a good job
P Nev is not a utility man. As stated The list of players before him is endless
Well I would call Nicky Butt or Brown as utility players. Once Keano or Rio are injured they come in a give us a good job
P Nev is not a utility man. As stated The list of players before him is endless
A utility man is a player who plays when the senior player get injured. He has an identity and a position
P Nev is the reserve of the reserve of the reserve.
P Nev is the reserve of the reserve of the reserve.
devilish, you still haven't answered my question. If we didn't have a cover for a cover for a cover, who exactly would we put out for a game if all the other players are injured?!!!
You obviously have no understanding of how a football club is managed. As several posters here have already pointed out, Phil Neville is part of a squad of players. Obviously, in a squad the quality of players would vary from world class first teamers, their world class replacements through to third and fourth tier utility men or up and coming youngsters. How difficult is that a concept for you to grasp?
You obviously have no understanding of how a football club is managed. As several posters here have already pointed out, Phil Neville is part of a squad of players. Obviously, in a squad the quality of players would vary from world class first teamers, their world class replacements through to third and fourth tier utility men or up and coming youngsters. How difficult is that a concept for you to grasp?
So you pay a 4 tier player a 30 Grand a week?
Let us bring a young player that has hopes of winning a place and provide some competition(ppl like escude) rather than P Neville.
He is a non hoper
And after all O Shea can give a better job.After all He was more effective on the left in the past few weeks than P Neville in a life time. So let play him also as defensive midfielder
Anyway SAF had tried O Shea sooo its in his back of his head
Nowadays even a foolish can do a better job than P Neville
Let us bring a young player that has hopes of winning a place and provide some competition(ppl like escude) rather than P Neville.
He is a non hoper
And after all O Shea can give a better job.After all He was more effective on the left in the past few weeks than P Neville in a life time. So let play him also as defensive midfielder
Anyway SAF had tried O Shea sooo its in his back of his head
Nowadays even a foolish can do a better job than P Neville
I cant believe that this argument is still ongoing. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Our level when? Even SAF himself rate him low. He prefar to play his dog rather than P Neville <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess I missed that game starring SAF's dog...
Is Phil Neville Manchester United level? What the feck is that anyway? People like you didn't want Gilberto Silva this Summer because he wasn't our level, now they say it was a great Wenger signing and moan about it and curse our scouts.
Do you mean is he RVN/Scholes/Faerdinand standard? Obviously not. He is not regular first team material. You will always be able to think of a better option in any position.
That said, the whole point is that he can perform to a decent (yet rarely world class) standard in many positions. That makes him very handy to cover many eventualities as a sub during a game or during an injury crisis.
After all, he has been stand-in as LB, RB, RW and CM this season as and when the injury list required.
An alternative of his standard for each of these positions would work out at a lot more than 30k.
And, well, he IS a red if it counts for anything in your view of football. It does in mine.
Well about Gilberto I rated him well at that time already altough I thought that Nicky Butt and Keane were better.
Now about P Neville. I have been a Manutd's supporter my Amir since you started persecuting the Palestines ( ok a bit later nearly now 18 yrs)
The first time I saw P Nev I really thought he was bright enough, but needed loads and loads of improvement (something he didnt)
Is it a crime to want a competitive team were EVERYONE can claim a place? I guess not
Covers can be mentioned only with Leicester or Derby NOT Manutd.At that level you want competitors who keep the first team on their toes. Look at AC Milan or Real with a star studded reserve that would play anywere across the world. Do you reckon Mcmanaman or Shevcenko ( yes they are reserves) as much as May, P Nev and Chadwick?
If Milan had our defensive midfielders crisis (they did last year) there is no prob with Redondo, Ambrosini, Gattuso and Kaladze. World class players renowned for that position and not a winger and a so called rb. That is how its run a good proffesional team
I really care about P Neville. I think he deserves better (which he would have if he plays with a team at his level) At OT he is at a dead end
Now about P Neville. I have been a Manutd's supporter my Amir since you started persecuting the Palestines ( ok a bit later nearly now 18 yrs)
The first time I saw P Nev I really thought he was bright enough, but needed loads and loads of improvement (something he didnt)
Is it a crime to want a competitive team were EVERYONE can claim a place? I guess not
Covers can be mentioned only with Leicester or Derby NOT Manutd.At that level you want competitors who keep the first team on their toes. Look at AC Milan or Real with a star studded reserve that would play anywere across the world. Do you reckon Mcmanaman or Shevcenko ( yes they are reserves) as much as May, P Nev and Chadwick?
If Milan had our defensive midfielders crisis (they did last year) there is no prob with Redondo, Ambrosini, Gattuso and Kaladze. World class players renowned for that position and not a winger and a so called rb. That is how its run a good proffesional team
I really care about P Neville. I think he deserves better (which he would have if he plays with a team at his level) At OT he is at a dead end
Btw if Milan are in crisis they can always call expert Albertini currently on loan at Athletico Madrid
Real have many problems with their backline and certainly don't have world class defenders on the bench.. why don't you to their forum and tell their fans that once in a while? I'd like to see what they'll say. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Devil, you've got to be kidding me.
Look at our backline:
Gaz, Brown, O'Shea, Rio, Silvestre, Blanc. I'd say this is better than Real or any other team atm. We stopped Poo and Arse didn't we?
Midfield:
Giggs, Becks, Veron, Butt, Keane, Scholes, Phil (outstanding utlity player atm), Fortune (unfortunate with the leg broken, but certainly very promising). If you call this midfield not star-studded, i don't know what to say.
Forward:
Ole - World Class, Ruud - World Class, Forlan - scored 6 goals in his little given 8 starts. One more striker will be coming in Jan. I think we can settle with this team for a while with the performance they have given.
GK:
Barthez, Carrol (whom you rate highly), Ricardo
That's 20 first team squad players. You want more? They all are highly rated by SAF and majority of the fans.
And then we have May, Chadwick, and a lot of kids waiting in line like Richardson, Timm, Roche, Tate, Tierney, etc.
What IS the problem with this team?!?!?!
Look at our backline:
Gaz, Brown, O'Shea, Rio, Silvestre, Blanc. I'd say this is better than Real or any other team atm. We stopped Poo and Arse didn't we?
Midfield:
Giggs, Becks, Veron, Butt, Keane, Scholes, Phil (outstanding utlity player atm), Fortune (unfortunate with the leg broken, but certainly very promising). If you call this midfield not star-studded, i don't know what to say.
Forward:
Ole - World Class, Ruud - World Class, Forlan - scored 6 goals in his little given 8 starts. One more striker will be coming in Jan. I think we can settle with this team for a while with the performance they have given.
GK:
Barthez, Carrol (whom you rate highly), Ricardo
That's 20 first team squad players. You want more? They all are highly rated by SAF and majority of the fans.
And then we have May, Chadwick, and a lot of kids waiting in line like Richardson, Timm, Roche, Tate, Tierney, etc.
What IS the problem with this team?!?!?!
Not quality BUT quantity my friend QUANTITY
The problem at OT is that that we ( WE MEAN EVEN ME MIND YOU) reckon Promising youths as reserves and that is Wrong. Let me explain
Would you put your hand on fire on PPL like Chadwick, Pugh or Richardson to be able to play WELL in the Championsleague final or in a crunchy decider?
No you would say.
But that is what reserves are nowadays all about. You need to have FULL trust on your reserves because you WILL need them when you least expect it.
Look at AC Milan.World class players like Laursen, Ambrosini, Helveg, Leonardo, Redondo, Roque Junior, Shevcenko, Della Bona, Abiatti, Serginho, Boriello ( Italian Rooney and U 21 Top scorer),
and Albertini are sitting in the reserves waiting to be utilised when you need them
In Italy ppl like Richardson are not utilised but first tested with other Serie A or big clubs and only THEN brought in the squad. Ex Donati ( Parma)
The problem at OT is that that we ( WE MEAN EVEN ME MIND YOU) reckon Promising youths as reserves and that is Wrong. Let me explain
Would you put your hand on fire on PPL like Chadwick, Pugh or Richardson to be able to play WELL in the Championsleague final or in a crunchy decider?
No you would say.
But that is what reserves are nowadays all about. You need to have FULL trust on your reserves because you WILL need them when you least expect it.
Look at AC Milan.World class players like Laursen, Ambrosini, Helveg, Leonardo, Redondo, Roque Junior, Shevcenko, Della Bona, Abiatti, Serginho, Boriello ( Italian Rooney and U 21 Top scorer),
and Albertini are sitting in the reserves waiting to be utilised when you need them
In Italy ppl like Richardson are not utilised but first tested with other Serie A or big clubs and only THEN brought in the squad. Ex Donati ( Parma)