The Criteria Draft - The Drafts

Also you morons Voronin is not a pick, he already picked Bronckhorst. Fix that before you confuse the feck out of everyone!

SO NOW HE ALSO GETS TO CHANGE HIS PICK?

Thats it, i'm out too.
 
@rpitroda I did accept it. I only complained when paceme was allowed to change. till that point I had no issue with the logic being used.

The reason Paceme could change was because he DID specify what he picked, and it was flagged before anyone else picked.

He was simply luckier then you. It's as simple as that.

In hindsight could the rule be different? Sure, potentially. But considering we had already allowed some to change on the basis of as long as it's before the next man picks, it's impossible to change.

I'm sorry but unfortunately that's the way the coin fell. I'm disappointed you felt the need to quit or feel discriminated against but I can assure you it was necessary not was it the case.
 
@rpitroda specifing the.criteria or changing his pick before the other manager had as much impact as me changing my pick after a few hours. so am sorry if I dont buy that flimsy excuse based on tradition ,etc.
 
From this it follows that if a manager makes a mistake(like me and paceme) he shouldnt be allowed to change(only me). Like you said its the nature of the game or something.

You're mixing the cards. If a manager makes a mistake, that's on him. Both paceme and you. But if said manager corrects his mistake before the normal picking order resumes and the draft moves on, he's allowed to do that - that's the way it's done.

If, however, a manager discovers at some point down the line that he has picked a player based on an illogical, contradictory, genuinely ambiguous criterion - then he should be allowed to change his pick, regardless of how many has picked in between. Because that isn't on him - it's on the host, who has posted faulty rules/criteria.

That's what I meant. It has no bearing on your Popescu case - or paceme's case, or any other case in this draft.

I won't prolong this exchange, man, it has no purpose - but I hope you don't actually think that people here, myself included, have it in for you for unknown reasons. I know I don't - and I'm sure that goes for the others too.

Good night, man - no hard feelings on my part.
 
@rpitroda specifing the.criteria or changing his pick before the other manager had as much impact as me changing my pick after a few hours. so am sorry if I dont buy that flimsy excuse based on tradition ,etc.

I'm not asking you to buy it. You've said your piece and quit. That's fine. Just don't talk crap by saying you've been discriminated against. Because it's utter BS.

No hard feelings but I'm done with discussion.
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer
2. The Red Viper (With Eddie Durkin and the boys hey) - Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Reus
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst, Kluivert
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla
 
So the hard and fast rule which makes no sense comes to the fore and the argument changes to the when from the how? Sorry, if I dont think thats fair.

Comparing your case to everyone else's that rule applies. Of course people are free to ruminate over whether your case should be treated differently among cases LIKE YOURS, i.e. backtracking after the next pick. There will be all sorts of positions on nuances there. Personally, I don't think there's room for nuances or rumination, if there's been follow up picks you are done and that should apply equally to anyone in any snake draft. We can't rely on "common sense" seeing as there's no such thing as common sense in a constantly changing bunch of draft managers.
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer
2. ???? - Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Reus
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst, Kluivert
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla
This is wrong I have reus .
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer
2. The Red Viper -Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines, Reus
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Kluivert
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla