It happened in the very first round when Edgar picked Cafu and Carlos - based on a mistake. He stated exactly what he intended 'em for, the mistake was pointed out, the pick was changed. It has been unproblematic all the way - as long as the manager has stated his criteria and the whole issue has been resolved immediately. The latter is the key, obviously.
The Criteria Draft - The Drafts
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Oh, alright. When Cutch picked a player that didn't fit I brought up the rules about being allowed to change it before the next person makes his pick so the warning had been made in this thread already.
It's really just a feck up that he needs to live with. If Popescu didn't fit any criteria it would have been different.
It's really just a feck up that he needs to live with. If Popescu didn't fit any criteria it would have been different.
So the only reason paceme was allowed to withdraw his bid and I wasnt was because he had stated his criteria? A fact that has absolutely no impact on the rest of the draft or the players playing it? Thanks, it all makes sense now.
And for the record. I stated which criteria I picked effenberg for and since popescu fulfills only that criteria it was obvious I couldnt have them both.
I made a pick yesterday(popescu) who didnt meet a criteria. I found out today so wanted to change it but got told that I will be given a sheep. I didnt argue as it was up to the rest of them.
Paceme does the same and he is allowed to withdraw his pick despite no one else wanting pope. and the time elapse having no impact on the popescu bid.
He doesnt, I have effenberg for his criteria already. And again, I am not complaining about the sheep but the fact that paceme is allowed to change while I am not.
Is it necessary for the player to have played in that final?
Then you have to complain about several other managers too - in addition to paceme - because the thing has happened multiple times.
Has to be in the squad, I think - whether he actually played or not doesn't matter.
Further my points about it being unfair. Thanks.
No, being in the WC squad of the losing team is fine. For example Di Maria was picked for this criterion earlier.
Giving it more thought, I think MJJ is correct.
The penalty should be for incorrect pick. Once posted here, it should be final. Time to correct for both instances should be at end of 12 picks.
And this should apply only when the player does not fit any criteria.
If he fits under a different criteria, manager should reshuffle his team. This is why we have 12th man to accommodate.
The penalty should be for incorrect pick. Once posted here, it should be final. Time to correct for both instances should be at end of 12 picks.
And this should apply only when the player does not fit any criteria.
If he fits under a different criteria, manager should reshuffle his team. This is why we have 12th man to accommodate.
Yeah. Or - maybe - proof that your case was not like the other cases? You refuse to acknowledge what is and remains the main point here.
You didn't state what you intended to use Popescu for. He meets the "played in three countries" as well as the one you had Effenberg for. You could have picked him because you were gambling on a combo. No way for us to know that - and you can't expect other managers to keep perfect track of your picks and criteria just in case you make a mistake when picking without informing anyone of what category you have in mind for your pick.
Did anyone make his pick after paceme before his pick got changed?
How does that have any impact on the rest of the sides in the draft? please explain.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Popescu pick was invalid since he doesn't fit any criteria but he was selected with the "Player from country outside Top 30" criteria in mind. So, can I select a player who fits that criteria and the sheep pick could from any other criteria?
Nope as five/six people encouraged him to change his pick. And as I posted that is irrelevant as no one wants popescu for his criteria anyway. You cant use the argument that someone might have wanted him and had to change their plans.
So am already being punished in a way as my pick was moved down 10/11 placed.
Red Viper should be able to change Popescu for the lols.
no. That what seemed to decide it. I just think MJJ could've had a chance to repick after round 12.
Too late now, as it is pretty ruined.
I'm pretty sure I would have tried that, but can't tell for sure. Will check next time.
Give it another couple of posts on the subject and MJJ gets Zanetti.
I don't get the discussion. There was a well known rule from the start that you're allowed to change your pick if you make a mistake, as long as the next manager hasn't posted his pick. That's it. Why would you want to change the rules of the game while playing? It wasn't even a problem until MJJ picked Effenberg with his next pick. That was the time when Popescu became a problem. If anything the discussion should be about changing the Effenberg pick, because it was the one that made it impossible to use both players.
What impact it has or has not is irrelevant. At some point your pick has to stand - the only question is whether you should be allowed to change your pick AT ALL. And there's a tradition for letting a manager do that under certain circumstances. Your circumstances were different from paceme's. If you can't see that - then I'm done.
IF you had stated what you were using Popescu for, you would have been allowed to change the pick. There is absolutely no doubt about this. If paceme hadn't stated his criterion, the picking had commenced, the round had ended - and THEN he'd brought up the fact that he'd made a mistake...he wouldn't have been allowed to change his pick.
So, you haven't been treated unfairly. Talking about discrimination and whatnot is uncalled for.
Come on mate, you can't expect people to be on top of what criteria you have sorted and whether picking Popescu clashes with that. They are quite clearly different situations here, move on.
So you have no legitimate reason for why paceme pick should stand and mine shouldnt? That is the definition of discrimination.
I dont no, I do expect people to either punish all for making a mistake or to let everyone correct their mistakes. Not go Oh MJJ cant change his pick despite no one wanting popescu but paceme can because lols.
As I said, I had no problem with the sheep penalty till it was decided out of all the posters playing, only I get it.
For this draft we should regard Popescu as a Ballon d'Or winner, a WC final loser, a ten season man - and as having played two seasons without winning anything with a player of Red Viper's choice.
He deserves a bonus for saving the draft, after all.
Doesn't fulfill any criteria which you have left to cover (i.e. doubles up with other picks). In principle you should get a sheep for whatever criterion you fail to meet (and lose Popescu, or whoever else you have who played in three countries, e.g. Ronaldinho, your choice
). Whether you will get a sheep that fits the criterion or will be allowed to re-pick is up to the GameMaster IMO. Considering how early a pick Popescu was I'd argue ending up with a 12th round player instead is sufficient punishment.
Don't let anyone change picks after the guy after them has picked is a fair, transparent and clear-cut rule. There really isn't anything to discuss as far as comparing the two scenarios is concerned. They are different.
Why exactly?
I do. I presume you mean a reason why your request to change your pick was denied - and his was granted? That's what this is about, right? Well, the reason is simple and has been presented to you repeatedly already: his mistake was pointed out immediately, which was possible because he stated exactly what criterion he was aiming for - and he was given the chance to pick someone else. As per the tradition. If you had posted your intended criterion, you too would have been granted the same thing. Thus, you haven't been discriminated against.
If the circumstances surrounding two separate rulings are significantly different it makes no sense to speak of discrimination.
This really is the key here. Because Popescu fits criteria, plural, there was no way for others to know and there for there weren't any corrections because there wasn't any need for them. Had it been noticed before a pick was made after Popescu he could have changed his mind as others before him did.
That's the difference. You don't get punished the same way for shoplifting a candy bar and stealing a car. It's not the same no matter how the piracy ads will let you believe. That's why it's different.
Because it stops stuff like the Edmundo pick from happening. Only a single person noted something wrong with it, that he did in fact have a few European games. Most sources said that he didn't.
When someone makes a pick it starts a timer. 8 hours counting down until you can finish and the person after you can start his turn. His turn will also start if you make a pick but yours turn won't finish until he makes his pick. That's how it has always been.
So you have gone from it having no impact to it being tradition? Again, what impact does it haven i if I withdraw my bid 10/15 picks later than immediately other than me losing out on other sides. None.
So in fact both the situations are similar.
No he doesnt, only fits one criteria.
That the 10/15 picks just gone may have well been affected by it. It doesn't even need to be that someone wanted him next and couldn't pick him (the more obvious difference between scenarios), it could be something as simple as "wait, no more Popescu in my list of backups so I need to re-prioritise positions". Your "change of mind" pick 10/15 turns later would also very likely affect those gone since who have picked based on the info available, i.e. that you picked Popescu and not, say, Costacurta. If they chose to ride whoever you end up picking another round that would be quite unfair as well.
That would make sense in a normal draft, not a criteria draft. No one here would consider popescu for the three country rule as quite obviously there are much better players available. So no one would have him in their back up,etc. Kinda like how crappy was allowed to withdraw his bid for totti in the auction draft.
And I didnt change my mind, I asked rpit. if he wanted popescu for his over 30 ranking criteria and thats when he pointed it out to me that he wasnt eligible.
Because shit happens and so long as it doesn't affect further picks it's best to accomodate or we would have regular meltdowns and people stuck with suboptimal picks which really isn't the objective of it all.
The moment a pick is set in stone it is info that affects decision-making thereafter so it can't be changed, else the whole thing turns into a chaotic shambles. I don't think anyone here is trying to punish you or picking on you, it's just you need to uphold the integrity of the process. It just so happens you are the one affected, but it would be the same with anyone else.
If only someone fell for this.