Good post. Cantona is our greatest ever player, while Ronaldo is probably the best ever to play for us.
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Good post. Cantona is our greatest ever player, while Ronaldo is probably the best ever to play for us.
Close the thread. This guy summed it up.
I have seen both of them at their best. Laudrup is not even close to Cruijff.
Little bit of bending the truth here hey? He was the best player by a mile in the FA Cup final win in his first season.
Wow.
What a car crash of the topic. Ronaldo made United? If any "modern" moment made "modern" UTD it was 99 or Cantona.
And people do not realise how big United as even before EPL.
Just few days ago my FIL(big Hajduk Split suporter,they live for that club) did tell me story how he did go to Sarajevo to watch Manchester United. And you should see him talking about match when they hamered United 6-0. Manchester UTD was always a big club. Ronaldo is just another great player in club history. And yeah , he is a prick.
What a car crash of the topic. Ronaldo made United? If any "modern" moment made "modern" UTD it was 99 or Cantona.
And people do not realise how big United as even before EPL.
Just few days ago my FIL(big Hajduk Split suporter,they live for that club) did tell me story how he did go to Sarajevo to watch Manchester United. And you should see him talking about match when they hamered United 6-0. Manchester UTD was always a big club. Ronaldo is just another great player in club history. And yeah , he is a prick.
Seriously? Cantona is above Best, Sir Bobby Charlton, Law or Captain Marvel?
The two moments I remember are the free kick he scored against Arsenal and the header in the CL Final. My most memorable moment was the goal he scored against West Ham and it has got nothing to do with him why it was memorable.
Do you have any excuses left for Ronaldo walking off the pitch alone at the end of the game like a miserable melt while the rest of the team walked over to the fans to celebrate?
Now I know why this thread has gone the way it has. I entirely agree with you on this.
People are losing their minds or they don't know who played for United.
Cryuff won 1 La Liga in 5 seasons, scoring 48 goals. Laudrup was extraordinarily, completely turned the tide of El Classico matches in a quite comical fashion after moving between the clubs.
Won 4 consecutive la liga titles at Barca, moved to Madrid and won his 5th. Scoring 53 goals in his la liga time.
Laudrup was so good, in 2002 Madrid fans voted him the 12th best player in the club’s history despite only spending 2 seasons there
Bullshit it’s not close.
Yesterday? I just caught his reaction after the final whistle and he looked pissed off, but i just think he was pissed off with himself. He's never going to be a starter now in this wc.
What a stupid post. If we had any of our key players missing we probably don’t win it.
The irony is Ronaldo was the one who missed his penalty in that final yet our other players scored.
Just checked into this thread to see any updates on Ronaldo’s fiasco, how the feck did it get to comparing Cryuff and Laudrup?
It’s just another shitty egotistic Ronaldo act trying to make it about himself. After a fantastic win, a momentous occasion for his replacement scoring a hat trick, his whole team going to enjoy the victory with the fans…but Ronaldo has to distance himself from them all to make it about himself.
I should have written 'for me' but didn't expect it to be so controversial. Bear in mind I never saw the Holy Trinity in action, but grew up with Robson and later Cantona. Robson was great but not on the same level as Cantona for me - but to Robson's defense he never had the quality around him as Cantona did (his best teammates preferred the pub instead). Cantona was the final piece in the jigsaw that catapulted the club to the status it has today. It's a combination of perfect timing for the club, accessability to football (was almost impossible to see majority of United games before PL came along and then United were shown pretty much every weekend) and me being in the period in life where I was most influenced by football.
Barcelona hadnt won the league in 14 years when he got there and he wasnt playing for (Cryuff's) dream team when he was there. You also left out his individual achievements at Ajax and his achievements with the team where they won the European cup three times in a row or how influential he was in winning league titles with Ajax or a final league title with Ajax arch rivals when he was really old(for a footballer).
Cryuff won 1 La Liga in 5 seasons, scoring 48 goals. Laudrup was extraordinarily, completely turned the tide of El Classico matches in a quite comical fashion after moving between the clubs.
Won 4 consecutive la liga titles at Barca, moved to Madrid and won his 5th. Scoring 53 goals in his la liga time.
Laudrup was so good, in 2002 Madrid fans voted him the 12th best player in the club’s history despite only spending 2 seasons there
Bullshit it’s not close.
These are two completely different Barcelona. Barcelona the juggernaut are a relatively recent thing which stems from Cruijff making structural changes when he rejoined them as manager in 1988.
I’m not doubting how good he was, I rate Laudrup as one of the best ever.
Neither are in the discussion for top 5.
Cryuff as I say, gets better with every year of his retirement.
Absolutely, and I think that post career success is part of the reason people now rate him higher than he deserves.
Cryuff won 1 La Liga in 5 seasons, scoring 48 goals. Laudrup was extraordinarily, completely turned the tide of El Classico matches in a quite comical fashion after moving between the clubs.
Won 4 consecutive la liga titles at Barca, moved to Madrid and won his 5th. Scoring 53 goals in his la liga time.
Laudrup was so good, in 2002 Madrid fans voted him the 12th best player in the club’s history despite only spending 2 seasons there
Bullshit it’s not close.
Can't comment on how good Cruyff was compared to Laudrup, but love that someone is giving Laudrup the recognition he deserves. He was the Iniesta of that time, pulled off the la croqueta better than anyone in history
People are overlooking his role on the bench last night. He might not have got the finishing touch for any of the goals but his movements were absolutely sublime. Sitting the way he did.
That's not correct. Cruijff was seen has the best European player ever until Platini came around and even then Platini never clearly took that spot. Cruijff as a player was only behind Pelé and maybe Di Stefano. If anything the opposite of what you are suggesting happened, with time Cruijff is one of the few all time great that has clearly lost ground specifically with the addition of Platini, Maradona, Ronaldo and Messi at the top of all time rankings.
Have you seen Cruijff? I have seen both of them live many times.
I honestly dont knw where you get this hipster thing from or getting better every year of his retirement. He's been in the top 3 list for decades by most sports journalists and the greatest players and managers ever. Like I said its only more recently that he's not in the top 3 with mainly Messi pushing him out and then some have Ronnie over him. Van Basten said recently that those who think Ronaldo is better than Messi know nothing about football but also said that Messi doesnt make his top 3 because he feels Messi lacks the warrior spirit of the 3 traditional guys at the top. But anyway Cryuff won 9 erevedise titles being the key player in all of them. Its not like he won jack shit. Barcelona hadnt won the league in 14 years when they bought him
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Can't comment on how good Cruyff was compared to Laudrup, but love that someone is giving Laudrup the recognition he deserves. He was the Iniesta of that time, pulled off the la croqueta better than anyone in history
Best passer ever imo, best vision and one hell of a dribbler.
He showed Millwall alright.
Cantona will always be first on my legends team sheet. Sure, I never experienced Best, Law and Charlton as well as Duncan Edwards but how good Cantona actually was doesn’t matter, there has and never will be a feeling like having him on the pitch and in your team.
Ronaldo will be nowhere near it. I don’t blame him for walking off alone last night, though. Not only did he play no part in the victory, I got the impression his team mates didn’t want to help him score. Portugal went to shit after he came on and it wasn’t all his fault.
Ronaldo will be nowhere near it. I don’t blame him for walking off alone last night, though. Not only did he play no part in the victory, I got the impression his team mates didn’t want to help him score. Portugal went to shit after he came on and it wasn’t all his fault.
Still doesn't make his post wrong, just strengthens it I suppose.
He just keeps showing the world what a wanker he is. Portugal has as good a chance as any in winning the WC though. He'll retire with a world cup and say its proof hes the ever evrn though he won it from the bench.
This seems like nonsense. A team doesn't (or shouldn't) exist to serve the goalscoring interests of one individual player. And besides, there were loads of moments where his teammates tried to set him up, either with through balls or giving him freekicks.
Let's put things into perspective on Ronaldo's behaviour, remember when Mourinho was benching Mata and leaving him out of match squads, there was actually a match I remember when Mata got subbed on late in the 2nd half and was subbed off again for tactical reasons....Did Mata throw his toys out of the pram, do interviews, slate the manager, slate his team-mates, moaned everything is unfair, refused to be subbed on, walk off in a pathetic strop.....The answer is no. The man behaved professionally and was probably upset but kept it behind the scenes like it should be.
Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano have been undisputed the top 3 since the 80’s in fairness.
Don't rule out the possibility Ronaldo could walk out of this squad before the end of this tournament. Or even the possibility something could happen in training that could result in Portugal removing him.
I honestly wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if something like that was to happen. How many times can he disrespect his teammates and managers before they enough is enough.
I honestly wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if something like that was to happen. How many times can he disrespect his teammates and managers before they enough is enough.
I’d imagine the manager and most of the team wouldn’t mind that happening either.
But Ronaldo is desperate for a World Cup medal so he’ll probably just throw his toys around for now.
I don't like the guy and am glad he's left our club, but in that video of him walking off I see a guy who is clearly quite emotional trying to hold it together.
The glee everyone is taking in his downfall makes me really uncomfortable, it's a shame we can't rise above it. As far as the club is concerned now he's history so let's move on.
As for all the 'banter' Twitter accounts they can get fecked. Run by losers who have probably never achieved anything in their life who were probably doing Phil Jones memes until the world woke up and realised it's a shitty thing to publicly mock people who are struggling.
Going back a long time, if Manchester United was mentioned abroad, everyone said Bobby Charlton, someone venerated for his talent and dignity.
I was indifferent to Ronaldo but by God, the man keeps terrible company. Piers Morgan, Jordan B Peterson, throwing everyone under the bus except himself and on and on. It's a team game and he can get fecked. I'm not rising above it. When he goes low, we go lower.
What's the Ronaldo fan boys saying now? Is the Portugese manager disrespecting him?
They have had their best performance without Ronaldo... I dont think any United fan is surprised about that.
Ronaldo is not just washed, he now is having a massive negative impact on the teams he plays for. Look at how self centred he is, winning but not celebrating with fans because he didnt play.
They have had their best performance without Ronaldo... I dont think any United fan is surprised about that.
Ronaldo is not just washed, he now is having a massive negative impact on the teams he plays for. Look at how self centred he is, winning but not celebrating with fans because he didnt play.