… not looking good, lets see how it plays out
The Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield
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Bruno is a problem due to his lack of positional discipline but adding Mount just adds to that
Bruno and Mount have both shown themselves to be capable of sitting a bit deeper at various points in their career.
The issue is that they don't know how to time their runs so that it's only one at a time. It'll get better.
The issue is that they don't know how to time their runs so that it's only one at a time. It'll get better.
It's going to get absolutely rinsed
I thnk Amrabat gets run over in the PL
He wanted to play him as a ram, not as an 8
. If he wanted to keep him, he would have giving him the contract he wanted like he did with colwill. He definitely didn't want to keep him as muchYeah I haven't fancied it since it was first trialled in pre-season.
I don't like Mount and Bruno in the same team at all.
Casemiro is so exposed when you've got two players who want to do their work in the other half.
Hope it improves but early signs suggests it won't last.
I don't like Mount and Bruno in the same team at all.
Casemiro is so exposed when you've got two players who want to do their work in the other half.
Hope it improves but early signs suggests it won't last.
Swiss cheese.
Today's performance also demonstrates how much further fecked we will be if Casemiro is injured and McT or a weak defensive player sits in midfield in front of these two.
Amrabat it is
Yeah looks like this is the case. Hope Ten Hag can make it work.
Casemiro needs to reserve his energy...seeing him ahead of the ball should be a rarity.
Bruno and Mount need to hold position sometimes as well...work in tandem, if one goes then one needs to stay.
But its a trio that has played 1 competitive match together...you don't bin it off after 90 mins.
Plenty to work on this week.
Bruno and Mount need to hold position sometimes as well...work in tandem, if one goes then one needs to stay.
But its a trio that has played 1 competitive match together...you don't bin it off after 90 mins.
Plenty to work on this week.
Looked mad on paper…
looked crap in pre season.
looks suicidal in the league.
looked crap in pre season.
looks suicidal in the league.
Never! It has to work immediately or be denounced as terrible. Don’t you know the rules here?Didn't take long did it
At least give them a few games to gel together? fecking hell
Nope they won't get their internet points in if they don't strike while it's hot.Didn't take long did it
At least give them a few games to gel together? fecking hell
I think we HAVE prioritized it, we just bought the completely wrong player
It's not just about tonight's performance (individual or collective), it's about a systemic tactical issue that is already apparent. Hopefully ten Hag will address this soon (most of us expected Lisandro to push forward a bit in possession to form a double pivot with Casemiro... we've seen a bit of that tonight, with Martinez and with Lindelöf, but not often enough to make the difference).Didn't take long did it
At least give them a few games to gel together? fecking hell
No balance at all, need another quality player in asap
I think Antony is probably disciplined enough but not good enough to compensate for it. For retaining possession, Antony and Sancho are probably our stronger options.
It’s early days, but I don’t think the balance is quite right.
Basically, I think Casemiro works if you give him a really athletic, more defensive oriented kind of partner. Let’s say, Declan Rice. Or maybe a playmaker in the ilk of Kroos and Modric.
I also think Bruno and Mount can work as long as you have a madman like Kante behind them, which Casemiro isn’t.
We still need a midfielder.
Basically, I think Casemiro works if you give him a really athletic, more defensive oriented kind of partner. Let’s say, Declan Rice. Or maybe a playmaker in the ilk of Kroos and Modric.
I also think Bruno and Mount can work as long as you have a madman like Kante behind them, which Casemiro isn’t.
We still need a midfielder.
What???
While making him captain for the season? I would love some of what you smoking please.Said this all through preseason along with others and were told we don't understand the nuances of the 3-1-6 formation and how we'd be a modern attacking team.
For anyone that has watched any decent amount of football and remaining objective, it was obvious that playing two AM's with Casemiro in an ocean of space alone in midfield would look disjointed and make us vulnerable with that gaps in midfield.
But hey we're moaners or something.
We absolutely need a second midfielder to be deeper and play close to Casemiro, its clear as fecking day.
For anyone that has watched any decent amount of football and remaining objective, it was obvious that playing two AM's with Casemiro in an ocean of space alone in midfield would look disjointed and make us vulnerable with that gaps in midfield.
But hey we're moaners or something.
We absolutely need a second midfielder to be deeper and play close to Casemiro, its clear as fecking day.
Replacing Casemiro, I think he does too. Paired with Casemiro and think it would be fine.
Most without rose tinted glasses knew it the minute we were linked to mount that it was a bad idea which is now shown in practice.
The way this looks, Mainoo ends this season in the first XI. Literally everyone was baffled by this aggressive pursuit of Mason Mount. Apart from a small few, who even they were baffled but found solace in the belief that apparently Klopp wanted to buy him too. Didn’t seem to try very hard to buy him though, apparently because he knew Mount wanted United. As we’ve seen, that doesn’t seem to stop Liverpool. I’m sure their interest was overplayed.
Mount is a 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th player for a very top side for me. The type of quality backup who can come in and cover a few roles. That is the standard of squad player you want. He isn’t the player you throw big money/wages at to lift a first XI that already finished top 3.
Mount is a 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th player for a very top side for me. The type of quality backup who can come in and cover a few roles. That is the standard of squad player you want. He isn’t the player you throw big money/wages at to lift a first XI that already finished top 3.
I'd like to see us try the 4-box-2 midfield that Real Madrid are playing at the moment.
Mount and Bruno as AMs, Amrabat and Casemiro as DMs.
The bonus is that it reduces the number of wide forwards up top. Given how out of form Antony, Garnacho and Sancho are, that would certainly take the pressure off some of them.
A first choice front 2 of Rashford and Hojlund would look better imo. It'd lack width, but one naturally likes to drift left and the other likes to drift right.
I think the idea is that the team should be hyper aggressive trying to win the ball back so say the front 5 are tasked with this and a midfielder is supposed to step in and play centrally with Casemiro.
Shaw started doing this today but I think we changed tactic when it became apparent the front 5 were not pressing as much as they should do. Varane, Lindelof, Bissaka and Martinez were engaging high so they were doing their part but as stated the front 5 were poor.
Its honestly the only way I can see this working with players the profile of Mount and Bruno. Neither are great at recycling possesion or keeping it so it’s not like we can just take the game away from people by controlling midfield.
Today was just a really poor performance and we got physically destroyed by Wolves.
Shaw started doing this today but I think we changed tactic when it became apparent the front 5 were not pressing as much as they should do. Varane, Lindelof, Bissaka and Martinez were engaging high so they were doing their part but as stated the front 5 were poor.
Its honestly the only way I can see this working with players the profile of Mount and Bruno. Neither are great at recycling possesion or keeping it so it’s not like we can just take the game away from people by controlling midfield.
Today was just a really poor performance and we got physically destroyed by Wolves.
£60m down the drain!
Eriksen far better as an 8 than Mount so that's your first problem to solve this season given he probably hasn't got the fitness or mobility to start 50 games anymore.
Chelsea have pretty much got a team of new players and looked a whole lot more cohesive yesterday than we did today. We’ve got the same team as last year, where we also had the same issues. Wolves lost their manager last week and here they are completely outplaying us at home. People who are worried are stating what they watched tonight. Awful performance and the whole team should take a look at themselves. That was a very tough watch.
Exactly. People point to Arsenal/City/Liverpool as evidence that two advanced 8's can work, but Bruno has never been good as a positionally disciplined player, and neither has Mount. Both prefer to run around like madmen, but the adverse is that you stick Casemiro on an absolute island if you are getting beat in the first phase like they did today.
It also doesn't help going forward when both Case and Bruno are pretty terrible in carrying the ball. Makes us much easier to defend structurally if they aren't playing brilliant killer balls. Either Mount will have to be told to play as more of a connector, or we need Amrabat in ASAP. It's the same issue I had when we were first linked to Mount, and why I wanted Caicedo so bad.
It also doesn't help that both starting wingers offered basically nothing when we DID get into space and won the ball back high up the pitch.
I was ridiculed by several on here for saying that our midfield will get overrun due to us playing one immobile DM and two attacking midfielders. Obviously, it’s early days but that performance doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.
Mount will be really useful covering when Bruno is injured or can play from the wing against the top 6 but no way can he and Bruno play together in midfield! We desperately need a high energy midfielder who has good positional sense and composure on the ball!
Based on the trigger for those 5m add-ons, it's unlikely we'll ever pay 60m
The thing is, it's hard to see the logic behind it. It's one aging and slowing DM, and a massive chasm, and then two attacking midfielders. I'm not sure how different it can be when it gels because it's not exactly clear what we're even trying to do with it.Didn't take long did it
At least give them a few games to gel together? fecking hell
Bring back Fred
Mount as an "individual" isn't a problem but I am still not convinced how Casemiro-Mount-Bruno is better than Casemiro-Fred-Bruno. The balance is completely off, Bruno is dropping too deep and Casemiro after todays game probably needs 2 weeks rest.
Ah well, best write it off now, it’ll never improve. feck me, life must be agony for some people
No movement or willingness to show for the ball at all.
Didn't take long did it
At least give them a few games to gel together? fecking hell
Genuine question…do you think it will work? And if so, why?