No matter how many we buy for midfield, i always feel that we are light there..
The Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield
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That's why we need another DM, Casemiro can get injured or...suspended and then what?
So now Mount is injured we're left with a clearly worse midfield than last season without the option to bring in Fred and Eriksen clearly being significantly worse since his injury. Mainoo also injured. The planning for midfield has been an absolute shitshow
I mean you can't call a midfield worse than last season if it is just for a specific moment because of an injury.
Last season if Eriksen got injured, Fred came in. Now if Mount is injured, Eriksen comes in. Mainoo will be back too. Injuries cause issues, that's nothing new. We aren't desperately short, it just depends on how you rate Eriksen essentially. Either he is adequate depth or he isn't.
It's not the numbers. It's the style of football. We are trying to implement transition/high pressure football. It's not working so far. It needs games to click. But as soon as one is injured yes we can just throw someone else in but we are playing a different style of football. Eriksen is not going to press. That's why we bought Mount. So we just go back and forth between styles when we can't get one of them right?
This midfield should be transformed into Casemiro - Amrabat - Bruno with Casemiro and Amrabat in the double pivot and Bruno in his natural 10 position. Or even Casemiro in a little bit more advanced position with Amrabat shielding the space behind. It will be defensively pretty solid at least, and it will have pretty decent degree of creativity and ball progression.
I dont think that is what Ten Hag is moving towards. He looks like he wants to do what Pep was doing last year, by bringing a full back into the midfield when attacking.
Ironic that a lot of fans hated that fact that we had to play two DMs with Fred and McTominay. Now some are advocating for that again, all be it with better players.
I think it is more than likely that Casemiro and Amrabat will interchange, ETH will not give up on his tactics just like that, he considers Mount important for it.
Amrabat just means we can rest / rotate Casemiro more.
Mount will be a starter.
Mount will be a starter.
Casemiro/Mount will look a lot better once an actual striker is in the starting XI and our brand new keeper who had no prior experience in the PL settles in.
Holjund
Rashford - Antony
Bruno - Mount
Casemiro - Amrabat
Martinez - Lindelöf - Wan Bissaka
Onana
I would like to see something like that one day
The midfield 4x4 box seems interesting.
Rashford - Antony
Bruno - Mount
Casemiro - Amrabat
Martinez - Lindelöf - Wan Bissaka
Onana
I would like to see something like that one day
The midfield 4x4 box seems interesting.He isn't looking to do it, we were already doing it. Last year Shaw was often moving centrally.
It's ironic you really can't see the difference.
Once Mainoo is fit we have so many options in midfield
Amrabat will be benched for a lot of the season. Mount, Case, Bruno are the first choice whether we like it or not. As we've seen with Antony, he's unlikely to change that regardless of form or whether it's working.
Like I already said, if Casemiro keeps playing like in first few games, more than likely he will be benched instead.
It won't be if it keeps getting dismantled every game.
Not in the same way as John Stones was doing for City, allowing Gündogan and KDB to push up higher and creating the box of four midfielders.
Show me a time that Shaw has done this....
Ten Hag was never doing that with United last year. Tried it v Wolves and left us wide open.
Ironic that you cant see there difference there.
Not in the same way as John Stones was doing for City, allowing Gündogan and KDB to push up higher and creating the box of four midfielders.
Show me a time that Shaw has done this....
Ten Hag was never doing that with United last year. Tried it v Wolves and left us wide open.
Ironic that you cant see there difference there.
Ok it's Dalot in an example I could quickly find, but this isn't similar? I never said we did it the same way, just that we already (ok not all the time) were brining a full back inside when were attacking.
And when I said about ironic, I was referring to Fred and McTominay not this.
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With the Amrabat deal, once Mount and Mainoo are fit we are suddenly looking stronger in midfield.
Casamiro Erikson Bruno Mount Amrabat Mainoo (mcT if not sold)
Casamiro Erikson Bruno Mount Amrabat Mainoo (mcT if not sold)
Ok it's Dalot in an example I could quickly find, but this isn't similar? I never said we did it the same way, just that we already (ok not all the time) were brining a full back inside when were attacking.
And when I said about ironic, I was referring to Fred and McTominay not this.
One swallow doesn't make a summer.
City are playing constantly in this way. United, by chance.
You're far more likely to see Dalot or Shaw on the flanks, whereas Stones is consistently in the midfield when on the ball.
It just doesn't work. We get into these phases where Casemiro is the highest one out of the three as well.
I don't get how anyone, let alone our manager, thought it would.
All three are weak under pressure. You can't trust any of them to keep the ball from a press.
Casemiro cannot cover the amount of ground needed to compensate for two 10s.
None of them can control a game because of their loose passing and physical weaknesses.
Casemiro is too prone to vacating his position by venturing forwards, and neither Bruno or Mount can rotate and efficiently play the deep role so it leaves us more unbalanced than usual.
There is literally nothing that suggests that this would have ever worked.
Amrabat, Casemiro, Bruno
Amrabat, Casemiro, Mount
Make it Mainoo (when he gets back) Gore and Mejbri for all I care, I just dont want to see Erik's preferred midfield again.
Cas will have to be the forward passer in this one as that clearly isn't Amrabat's game.
Mount should be playing deeper and Bruno should be the attacking midfielder, or shifted to right wing for now. Maybe, I don't know how this was supposed to work in ETH head.
It's interesting that Casemiro isn't even playing holding position in this setup. I have many questions to our manager.
It's interesting that Casemiro isn't even playing holding position in this setup. I have many questions to our manager.
Its like the players themselves don’t know what to do. Casemiro is the most forward, Mount barely touches the ball. Its a massive feck up, the only reason we are trying to make it work is Mount
Should be binned immediately or it would cost ETH his job.
Should be binned immediately or it would cost ETH his job.
Mount isn't a CM, and ETH bafflingly insisting on pretending he is will cost him his job.
He's completely lost me at this point. I have no faith anymore that he has the slightest clue what he's doing and its pretty much entirely down to this issue, because it's just so bleedin obvious.
I'm not even sure what Mount is since he literally doesn't do anything,but if there's one position where you can't get away with that it's in midfield.
He's completely lost me at this point. I have no faith anymore that he has the slightest clue what he's doing and its pretty much entirely down to this issue, because it's just so bleedin obvious.
I'm not even sure what Mount is since he literally doesn't do anything,but if there's one position where you can't get away with that it's in midfield.
Take Bruno out and put Hannibal in. When Mainoo is fit pair him with Case and play mount further forward.
How did anybody ever think this would work? It's not as if Mount is some unknown quantity whose strengths, weaknesses, and attributes aren't totally clear. Even with a bare-bones recruitment department, we should've known him inside and out given that he's been a regular player in our league for multiple years!
How the feck is that going to help?
The problem isn't Bruno, who we'd have literally won 0 league games without this season.
The problem is that Mount has no place in any team's midfield and we keep putting him in ours. It's so obvious how is anyone not seeing this. He contributes absolutely nothing there at all and Casemiro ends up trying to do everything himself to compensate.
Dropping key players during a crisis is a sure fire way to get yourself sacked
Casemiro and amrobat should be good and balanced.
We are a very bad team going forward so we need Bruno for the odd moment of magic if we are to create anything. Be can't be dropped.
We are a very bad team going forward so we need Bruno for the odd moment of magic if we are to create anything. Be can't be dropped.
While Bruno is playing shite week in week out it is a problem. We may have won more games without him.
Who would have won us those games? What game have we lost because of Bruno apparently being so bad?
How do people watch us play atm and come to the conclusion "it's Bruno that's the problem"?
I'm sorry but that's just bonkers.
This is absolutely spot on.
If I'm sat at home seeing the Mount transfer news and saying "where on earth does Mount fit?" when I, in general, don't really know anything, then how is nobody at the club flagging this?
Even if you somehow had no idea what sort of player Mount was, 10 minutes on google would sort you out. It makes me think that the research doesn't actually extend beyond "someone who plays broadly in the middle and is proven at this level" along with a quick nod of the head from ETH that he has heard of him from the Dutch league and was decent. It seems like how clubs like Spurs and Liverpool used to operate about 20 years ago.
Problem with our team is that if Bruno has an off day, our creativity goes with him.
I have no idea what Mount excels at and what we wanted from him that we spent 60m on him when we should have bought someone who can replace Eriksen. Mount doesn’t seem he has the creativity to be that player
I have no idea what Mount excels at and what we wanted from him that we spent 60m on him when we should have bought someone who can replace Eriksen. Mount doesn’t seem he has the creativity to be that player
I thought mount played alright. Casemiro was wank, missed few headers, on good day those could've been goals. Bruno, what is he good for?
Maddison was available cheap and he didn't get him because ETH watch young Mount played and really likes him. If we compare both Maddison is definitely playing better and at a higher level.