I think a second Biden term is becoming increasingly unlikely. No wonder someone like Newsom is buying ads outside California.
The Biden Presidency
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They’re going to make the Hilary mistake all over again. Dems are going to give it to Harris because she’s next in line.
I'd be really surprised if Harris becomes the Democratic candidate. It remains to be seen which alternative gets some national momentum going though.
If Biden doesn't run, Harris will have to compete just like the rest of them. There is no Hillary phenomenon where she was each of first lady, SecState and Senator. I think Sanders would give it another shot as well since its only been 4 years since he almost got the nomination.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a celeb becoming the Democratic candidate for 2024.
The Rock 2024
Nah, she's going to get nailed by Newsom and the likes. Remember that she dropped out of the 2020 primary quite early.
Regardless, the Dems need a candidate who would be willing to bully his/her way around and push for McConnell-like tactics in shoving the Democratic agenda down throats just like Republicans did it for years. I'm sure that Chuck Schumer is just begging to have the freedom to play the same playbook, but he needs someone above him with the will to go dirty.
The ridiculous thing is he’d probably win.
He's a Republican
WAS a Republican. He has been an independent since the Obama years and voted twice for him.
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I think a bad mid term (and that looks pretty likely) the Dems will need to make a quick and clear decision on their 2024 candidate and strategy to stand any chance - so probably they will do exactly the opposite and have a protracted progressives vs moderates fight for a year or so
Who is there to pick ? Biden only really got the job because the newer generation of democrats like Harris or Buttigieg failed to make the step up.
Tbh I think you are giving the progressives too much credit. They might make some noise online but in the end they will fall in line.
If they get completely destroyed in mid terms and lose the next presidential election, they’ve got no one to blame but themselves. Party full of sickos.
what precisely is the point of backing candidates in marginal seats for the democratic nomination if those candidates when elected do nothing of relevance for the party that puts them in power? the BBB legislation which promised 600bn in funds to address the climate issue and general economic situation through a kind of not good enough but better than nothing new deal was watered down into a 300bn~ bill which manchin has torpedoed this week. so manchin and sinema and whoever else will say "if i back this bill, i won't get reelected". right, but the entire point of you getting elected in the first place was to ensure that this kind of legislation could pass. i can't believe that this is the fault of manchin alone. in a bill promising half a trillion in funding, there's no way on earth that the democratic party could not find some kind of carrot to offer manchin so that it appeases his own electoral base. it isn't just climate, it's the entire economic agenda which comes with the much needed new deal to combat stagnation and reinvigorate the industrial process along a renewable, high-tech trajectory for the future. going into the midterms the dems will have accomplished nothing. biden said nothing would fundamentally change but he was wrong because everything has become fundamentally worse.
the great thing about being all bipartisan and collegial is that mcconnell is willing to whip his own party to support biden's BBB agenda in return for all the things biden gives away. what's the proximate utility in being bipartisan when that means one side is willing to take everything you give them and give you nothing in return? you must conclude that biden and the entire dem establishment are either idiotic or corrupt or both.
this is a further example of why electoralism is in the gutter. the dems exist to get elected and fundraise for further elections. the republicans aren't much better but at least from their perspective they push a conservative cultural agenda. the dems' utility is precisely nill.
Joe Biden is a fuking clown, a houseplant and he's completely fecked up the economy and financial wealthfare of this country....
if you don't live in the US , you have no clue but just what you see but you aren't witnessing how fecked up he's made this country from a financial structrure let alone how fuked up he's made policiing in big cities across the US.
He's the worst president we've had in the US over the past 30 years....the fuking guy can't put a sentence together even when it is on a teleprompter
if you don't live in the US , you have no clue but just what you see but you aren't witnessing how fecked up he's made this country from a financial structrure let alone how fuked up he's made policiing in big cities across the US.
He's the worst president we've had in the US over the past 30 years....the fuking guy can't put a sentence together even when it is on a teleprompter
I feel bad for Biden. It's elderly abuse what he's going through. Needs to retire and enjoy his 5-6 years he's got left.
Embarrassing
You can't blame the economy on him. He inherited Trump's mess. And Trump is head and shoulders the worst President in living memory.
you can't blame the entire economic situation on him but you can blame him for his failure to enact his promised policy. not only can you blame him for that but you absolutely should blame him for it. and bad as trump was i wonder if clinton, bush, and obama weren't worse. all terrible. trump inherited obama's mess which came from the bush years and was enabled by clinton who escapes all blame despite laying the ground for the corporate ripoff state which characterizes the extreme inequality of the neoliberal era. all of obama bush trump and clinton prioritized corporate giveaways to the tune of tens of trillions over 30 years. none of them ran on a green new deal platform though, which biden did and has not actualized.
by which metrics? employment at an all time high or near it and purchasing power at an all time low or near it. inequality worse now than during the 30s. i don't see how anyone can call that "good".
Metrics like employment / unemployment, consumer spending, & key sectors like retail continuing to exceed expectations. Even the service industry is back on its feet despite being vastly understaffed.
There certainly is inequality, but that is nothing brand new, is global, & certainly isn’t all Biden’s fault domestically.
those metrics aren't a good measurement of the "economy" when people work more than ever in history and possess more debt and less purchasing power than in living history. it's stock market jargon which tells you the economy is doing well. the economy on that level has nothing to do with people's day to day lives and cost of living. there is an enormous cost of living crisis as everyone knows, and it isn't new but it still doesn't make the economy good.
it's cumulative. biden can be faulted for his inaction on key policies. he's engaged in corporate welfare as sanders, presumably in a coma for the past two years, finally managed to say just this week. the idea that the economy is doing well springs from the same delusional dreamworld trump's supporters inhabited when they'd point to the record stock market. yes, very rich people are doing better than ever. that's not a good thing in a deeply unequal society.
there is no way to call that "good". sanders breaking ranks has been a rarity since biden took office but at this point i'm assuming he doesn't see the point in not doing it when biden's admin is doing nothing of worth in any of its promised legislative areas with midterms around the corner and the promise of annihilation.
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I'd love to hear this fleshed out a bit instead of being another drive-by comment.
In what way do you think the economy is fecked, and how can it be attributed to Biden?
I guess the first step would be to show how you're doing worse than other comparable countries, but attack it how you want of course.
Wait, which is it? Can he not put a sentence together or is he some diabolical mastermind that can simultaneously torpedo the economy and “policiing”?
Honestly, the fact the main issue Biden's opponents have with him is his age and occasional speaking mishaps, makes me think he's one of the best presidents the US has ever had 
Its quite telling.
Even then, he talks much more coherently than his predecessor, for what it matters.
Its quite telling.Even then, he talks much more coherently than his predecessor, for what it matters.
Isn't there also a significant delay in an administration's policies impacting the economy? Like if we're seeing the economy being torpedoed it's because of the previous administration's ineptitude?
Yes. It’s typically that the first couple years (or more if the economy is booming / busting) are from a previous admin… and obviously, the effects of previous admins can pile onto one another as well.
Also, most of how fast an admin can affect the economy is down to how fast & how much legislation gets passed by Congress.
If they get completely destroyed in mid terms and lose the next presidential election, they’ve got no one to blame but themselves. Party full of sickos.
There's nothing they could've done to change losing the mid terms given that the other party usually does very well between Presidential elections. With respect to the Presidency, Biden could do little without a bigger Dem majority in the Senate. He has been kneecapped by two US Senators of his own party.
Honestly, the fact the main issue Biden's opponents have with him is his age and occasional speaking mishaps, makes me think he's one of the best presidents the US has ever had
Even then, he talks much more coherently than his predecessor, for what it matters.
Beyond old age and gaffs, the Rs I've spoken to seem to complain a lot about inflation and gas prices, which suggests those are the issues that will sink Biden among independents as well. Fortunately, the next Gen isn't for another 2 plus years, but the looming bloodbath at the mid terms will do a lot in laying out the political landscape of the following two years.
Trying to put blame on the current state of the US and really the world economy on any presidential administration(Republican or Democrats)is useless. We are dealing with far larger and historically trends.
The party benefits from a declining America and it’s not the party interest to even attempt any positive change.
The two senators thing is just way for the party to save face and to say look it’s these reactionary politicians who are stopping us(While the party continues to support conservatives democrats).
The party benefits from a declining America and it’s not the party interest to even attempt any positive change.
The party has largely voted on Biden's agenda with the exception of those two. If they were on board, several major policies he ran on would've passed, which would've given the Dems a lot more leverage in the mid-terms and beyond. The Dems were never going to implement what the progressives wanted because that's not what they ran on.