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The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"
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Lingards debut was at RWB in LVG’s first game. He went off injured.
they’re completely and utterly different players.
What's worrying is, the more they try to fix things, the more they feck up, leaving absolutely no doubt that they're completely in over their heads. There's not even an emergency system to turn to, which they know inside out and can make good use of.
It's alarming.
People laugh at putting Lindelof in the DM position, but at least that kind of thing has some sense to it; this is like giving a game of FIFA to someone t set up who doesn't have the foggiest clue about football and them just dropping players wherever.
You really hope this story is a fabrication.
Aye, it could and that's the problem. I'd bet that Sancho just went there for a training match and all of a sudden he's being trained up for a new permanent position.
People are willing to believe whatever nonsense they read because they've become so convinced that the coaches haven't a clue what they are doing that every reported bit of ineptitude just reinforces that belief.
Another side to this, is that it proves his favouritism, because he literally has a tailor made player for that role in Dalot 
Ole prefers the square peg in round hole method over everything else it seems, so theres no chance he would drop Bruno to make a 3-4-2-1 work with someone like Rashford/Ronaldo on the left, Cavani/Ronaldo up front, and Sancho on the right. And we know he will not drop Ronaldo. Hasn't Ronaldo been one of the players trying to keep the ship from completely sinking in the locker room? he starts dropping him on a regular basis and that could turn ugly quick combined with losing.
And Sancho would play it in a different way? He wouldnt need mountains of space to be effective and we have seen how devastating he used that space when he had it in Germany. There is no way that Reece fecking James and Davies would be influential with space out wide than Jadon Sancho.
The problem when you're in free-fall is that you're easy pickings, and if you have nothing about you to arrest the plummet, falsehoods can easily be taken as fact. I would like to think this story is nonsense, but it's not come out in a red top or dodgy Twitter account, nor do I believe it's an impossibility with who we've got running the show (not just Ole); this would just be one of many calamitous decisions made, the worse one, but one of a litany, so writing off the story as make believe is practically impossible to do.
I've qualified all my thoughts on the matter with a 'hope it's not true', but there's no way I'd put money on it being made up.
Bet Sancho is really happy to have joined in. Completely mismanaged, rarely getting a sniff, the manager doesn't know where to play him, lost his place in the NT team...
This will all change when the new manager gets in (he says, praying!)
Yep. I think in his first premier league game-the 2-1 defeat to Swansea at OT- Lingard played at RWB and got badly injured. It was pretty bad luck.
Yeah I agree with you, although I don’t worry too much about Sancho himself. He’s got his entire career ahead of him still most likely, a bad season isn’t the end of the world. I worry more that he chooses to leave us and the club decides to back Solskjaer over him. Or over any of our other players, really.
I mentioned in another post too that I wonder how far the board are willing to go to die on the Solskjaer hill. If players get truly unhappy, are they willing to back Solskjaer still and build him half a new team again? But surely there’s a breaking point somewhere. I just hope to reach that number point as quickly as possible, whether it’s through 5 catastrophic losses, player mutinies etc.
Yep, he played well there during the pre-season and would have gotten an extended run there were it not for the injury.
Question is, where do you play him?
With our current squad and with Ronaldo starting, where does he start?
With our current squad and with Ronaldo starting, where does he start?
Well said.
Stick him in goal for penalty shootouts.
As an attacker in a 433 or 4231. You just need a management staff who don't struggle so badly to coach the team coherently into that shape that they have to abandon it.
Dont forget Woodward said they scouted 105 RBs before he was picked. feck knows where they were looking if WB was the best they found
It's always worth a shot to get out of this situation, but for all the time and effort, why didn't we just buy Hakimi summer 2020 when he moved from RM to Inter? That would be cheaper, and we wouldn't waste a season dreaming about Sancho and arguably wasting money on panic purchase of Amad and Pellistic.
LVG did this successfully with Ashley Young and Lingard on occasion so its not completely unheard of. You need a lot of credibility at your club to pull off this kind of thing though and Solskjaer seems to be struggling in that respect. Its certainly not what i personally had in mind for 'English Neymar' and it doesnt look great.
Another side to this, is that it proves his favouritism, because he literally has a tailor made player for that role in Dalot
That would be true...if it weren't for the fact that Dalot is goddamn crap.
And neither were very good at it
Another side to this, is that it proves his favouritism, because he literally has a tailor made player for that role in Dalot
Dalot is awful though, so it makes sense not to play him.
Woodward was right. We are an adult version of Disneyland.
On the right of a front 3 where he is by far the best player we have of those available. The staff needs to learn that a winger can be a creator and not purely an inside forward. But since our staff are fecking incompetent, they don't realize that and can't coach a system where an actual wide creator actually works.
You mean something like the Disney Cartoons?
Yes from the start Ole has got our wingers to try and play as strikers. Wide strikers. Even Dan James. It is mind boggling how on earth these people get their coaching badges?
Relax people. It's all part of Ole's master plan. He's gonna invert the formation. So De Gea as our striker supported by Maguire as a 10 and Shaw and AWB as wingers. Ronaldo as our new goalie
I believe the whole mess revolves around Solskjaer coming to the conclusion that you need to play Ronaldo in a two striker fromation which makes it very hard to shoehorn Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho into it. But that's something you think about before signing Cristiano. You could probably still play something like a 3-4-2-1 formation with Sancho being one of the tens behind Ronaldo, both tens supporting him against the ball with Bruno dropping into the CM position next to a hard worker. Or Sancho behind Greenwood/Rashford and Ronaldo.
RWB suggests that he just has absolutely no clue how to utilize Sanchos strengths.
Dont forget Woodward said they scouted 105 RBs before he was picked. feck knows where they were looking if WB was the best they found
And to make matters worse, this year we had been chasing Trippier, who moved in the same summer we bought AWB...
This. Formation is one thing, having a philosophy and system of play is what more important. Ole doesn't have the ball to drop Maguire so now he's trying to cover his favorite ass by using a system that allows an extra CB. 5 at the back won't magically help without the coaching ability, even with the right personnels, let alone learning on the job and experimenting every week.
Our coaching staff must be high. Imagine spending the kind of money we did on a forward player and our response being to convert him to a wing back.
So you keep him on the bench or abandon the 2-3-5 formation? I hate the club establishment right now but Ole has no other option right now to bring our marquee signing on to the field.
Yeah and leave himself in Norway would be good
Don't mind the idea of turning an out and out right winger into an attacking wing back.
Problem is, Sancho isn't even an out and out right winger. If we wanted a right winger who could also operate as a wing back we should have signed Adama Traore.
Problem is, Sancho isn't even an out and out right winger. If we wanted a right winger who could also operate as a wing back we should have signed Adama Traore.
If Sancho continues to fail in foreign positions, what's next? Play him as CDM, CB, GK?
The issue is the bolded part. The bad management.
Need better coaching him in his natural position, or shouldn't have been signed if the manager didn't have a plan for him. Since the latter option is gone now, changing manager to get better coaching in is the logical decision.
Quite. You have to wonder at who they even thought they were signing.
How to kill two birds with one stone in the wrong type of way, so basically such would see us wasting 130 million with bissaka relegated to the bench because he isn't good enough on the ball and then you put a inside forward like sancho further back down the pitch.
Particularly when pretty much all our players have issues with their roles even the ones that seem productive on the surface like Bruno or Ronaldo. At some point we need to stop looking at players, they can't all be at fault at the same time.
I don’t believe it.
He might’ve played there for 20 minutes or so in a 11v11 in training, the media somehow got a hold of it and made it into this.
He might’ve played there for 20 minutes or so in a 11v11 in training, the media somehow got a hold of it and made it into this.
Davies and Sancho are as different as player types go as imaginable