I thought Leo Junior was a LB
The Americas Draft, R1: Physio vs Skizzo/Pat 8-8
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A game with many 3-4 goals 
This is exactly why I placed him at DM. Screening was possibly the wrong term. I envision him playing in the style of Kante at DM for France. Harrying and hounding Bochini something he was great at. It's true you don't get his driving runs forward but is an excellent fit for the role he's playing.
@Pat_Mustard Fair play with the Mozer gifs. He looks pretty handy. From the little I'd read about him and your description of him in the OP makes him sound a bit like John Terry.
On Higuita despite his crazy antics he was actually an excellent shot stopper who could well be rated higher if he hadn't have been in prison for the 1994 World Cup. He was imprisoned for being an intermediary in a kidnapping case. He was crucial to that team being able to play a higher line and remaining compact. He was also mentally incredibly strong:
Francisco Maturana Colombian Coach at the time said:
With him there they could have done a lot better in '94. Before the tournament they had only lost one game in 34 including a 5-0 win over Argentina in Buenos Aires. Columbia were a different team with Higuita.
It's true that your midfield trio overall have better ball recovery mainly due to Junior being better defensively than Valderrama however due to Valderrama's clever positioning I don't think there's much in it. However with my trio there is significantly more creativity which is decisive with Julinho and Canhoterio on the wings with an intelligent striker in Artime.
Another quote about Canhoteiro (the butchered English is Google translating Portuguese)
"Don Cecilio attempts to make his son a man of honorable reputation were in vain and that fame often zurdito grew, first on the team in his neighborhood, the Caroate, and later in San Luis Paysandu. In those years his nickname and his first contact with his other passion, music emerge. Discovered by a scout of Sao Paulo, auditioned for the tricolor whole. Turcao, considered one of the toughest defenders in the country, offered to "prove" the value of the fine end. At the end of the clash, he approached his coach and said " What am I going to do? It is good and fast. It 's good because I haggle with the waist and is fast because it has not even let me kick him. Fichen him . "
He is going to give Pablo Forlan a torrid time. I doubt Forlan will be able to get forward that much to support Bertoni which leaves Pat's attack somewhat narrow on the right.
True he wasn't that industrious but he was clever with his positioning. Plus Joya was right footed and liked cutting in (he also played on the right) so he isn't going to stretch Zabaleta outwide too much so he can work in tandem with Delgado. Both my wingers are on the side of their strongest foot. From all accounts they are stylistically like Nani when played on the right. Effectively this will stretch Pat's back four further than mine allowing Artime the space to do significant damage.
A game with many 3-4 goals
Agreed but I'll score more due to a better defence and greater creativity.
Yeah, all the wingers will shine here.
Yeah, agreed.
On the other hand, there are the Ronaldo & Joya factors. Bochini is also a lovely player.
I'm off out now. All I can do is wait nervously
I actually disagree there. One of the first things I thought when I looked at the team sheets was Physio's right flank doesn't quite have enough 'oomph' about it when you consider they are up against a defensively minded Pavoni with Junior helping out. I don't see Zabaleta supporting Julinho too much either bearing in mind his defensive requirements. I do like Physio's midfield very much though, Valderrama and Simeone are great partners for Cubillas and not too dissimilar from Velasquez/Cueto/Cubillas IMO.
Also like Physio's left side up against Forlan, even with Rattin helping out there could be some danger there. Likewise Skizzo/Pats left side against Zabaleta. It's bloody tough to decide really, will need to read through the thread one more time I think
I don't even know if I agree with myself with this match. I can't find fault with anything you said. But also I do think Physio makes a good point. I forgot that Joya played mostly on the right and is right hand. He wont play the same on the left side and probably not be dangerous in the way I first thought. Also Junior is tricky for me. I know much more about him from Brazil as LB. I didn't realize he was as highly rated in Italy as he was. I do know it was generally accepted he switched to midfield because at 30 he had lost pace so wasn't as good an LB. But due to technique, experience and intelligence he was excellent in MF. It was just a diffferent role perhaps. I need to look read more information.
I'm not sure it would change something.
I've read this thread many times and always change my mind
I'm not sure it would change something.
I've read this thread many times and always change my mind
Im confused because I can't decide so I think draw. But then I see votes and think I should vote to make it draw because I can't decide. Then I think I am overthinking things and its a bit unfair to vote just to make it a draw as thats too meta. So I think Ill just abstain here and take some herbal medicine.
I'm not sure it would change something.
I've read this thread many times and always change my mind
Haha, I'm the same. I had another look and voted after I posted earlier, then came back when I got an alert and now want to change my vote again
This, along with Ronaldo has swayed it for me. Very tough though, sorry Physio I really liked your side too.
You shouldn't do that though. If you think that it's a draw, abstain from voting - but by doing what you did you've nullified someone's actual vote.The same. That is why I voted for Pat/Skizzo in order to get penalties
You're right. It's a mistake to have put the game to 7-7
Volunteers for pens duty (doing the whole routine) may sign up here.
If nobody wants the gig, there won't be a show – I'll just post the overall result.
If nobody wants the gig, there won't be a show – I'll just post the overall result.
Agreed. Draw is a draw. If you think one of the teams would get the edge then makes sense to vote, voting for a draw is doing exactly the opposite.
Yep. There needs to be a way to get this bug out of the way in future games. @Chesterlestreet we need to brainstorm!
Since that cursed day I put forward the idea of penalties instead of a commonly agreed voter deciding the tie this problem has plagued the drafts. It was okay at the start when people were excited to watch these 'penalties' but it's just a chore now. In fact we probably need a new way to decided ties now, but one thing at a time.
Yeah I'll have a crack if nobody else wants to (assuming the game does end in a draw).
@Aldo I'm more than open to trying out something for the quarters: Non-visible votes, abandoning penalties - anything, really.
As long as the majority is on board, we can basically try out any brand of madness.
As long as the majority is on board, we can basically try out any brand of madness.
Well it has already been suggested couple of time to vote without seeing the actual result. I think this is the best way to escape a voting for a draw situation.
Excellent - it's all yours.
I understand the problems it can cause and why some don't like it, but personally I prefer the penalties system to one random person coming in and deciding the tie after voting has finished. The latter seems too much like the golden goal rule which I always hated.
edit: I've never felt the pain of a penalty loss so maybe next draft I'll change my mind
Yeah that is a discussion for another day. I am fine with the penalties as long as people don't actively vote only to take a game to the penalties, which happens a lot.
Sent. I assume when I say the keeper dives right and the opponent hits it right it would be saved? Jayvin doesn't have to reverse the directions.
Ooh good point. I was thinking the opposite. e.g. you shoot left, and Skizzo/Pat dive right then it's a save.
Clarification would be good @Chesterlestreet
That's how I used to do them.
Keeper dives to HIS left/right.
Player shoots to HIS left/right.
So e.g. Shoot Left & Dive Right = Save.
I don't suppose it matters as long as he's consistent. I was just trying to work out who Pat would choose for the kicks and where they'd probably put. Probably over thinking but that was my thought process.
Ooh good point. I was thinking the opposite. e.g. you shoot left, and Skizzo/Pat dive right then it's a save.
Clarification would be good @Chesterlestreet
That's up to you, really - doesn't matter as long as it's consistent.
I tend to look at it "realistically" myself - i.e. I go with the player's perspective (meaning you have to reverse the POV from shooter to keeper), but it's up to you. The easiest way is obviously to simply go with R-R/L-L = save.
Ok I've received both sides penalties, will begin shortly.
The coin toss is about to begin to see who will go first, but the coin lands on it's side and we have a draw - again. The referee decides the home team will go first.
Teo Cubillas jogs up to the penalty spot for Physio, takes one look at the ball and smashes it into the top right corner, Taffarel dives in the opposite direction as the ball sails past him.
1-0 Physio
Teo Cubillas jogs up to the penalty spot for Physio, takes one look at the ball and smashes it into the top right corner, Taffarel dives in the opposite direction as the ball sails past him.
1-0 Physio
Ronaldo dribbles the ball up to the spot, not looking at Higuita once. He shimmies in the run up and baits Higuita, the Colombian dives to his right as Ronaldo clips a delcious Panenka right down the middle.
1-1
1-1
Up next for Physio is Luis Artime, he takes a short run and tries to blast the ball low and to the left, but Taffarel has dived early and palms the ball away! SAVED!
1-1
1-1
WOO!!
Ricardo Bochini ambles up to the spot without a care in the world, and not to be outdone by Ronaldo attempts to chip Higuita once again. The Colombian tries desperately to scorpion kick the ball away while diving to his right, but ends up in a heap on the ground.
1-2
1-2
It's Carlos Valderrama's turn but he can't be dragged away from the ref, he's somehow got a wad of cash in his hand and is trying to stuff it into the officials pocket. When he's finally pushed towards the penalty spot he just smashes the ball into the middle of the goal without hesitation. Taffarrel looks on in confusion
2-2
2-2