The 4-Way Draft

Mine good too?

Aye looking good so far mate. You got a tad lucky to snatch both Xavi, Iniesta and also C. Ronaldo.

Think you'll have a bit of a challenge with the RB and CB given that most of the top options are now gone, but it's a excellent team so far in a diluted pool.
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R.Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Schuster 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. Vieira 6. Vieri 7. Campbell 8. Overmars
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. Makelele 5. Hierro 6. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal
@idmanager
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R.Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Schuster 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. Vieira 6. Vieri 7. Campbell 8. Overmars
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. Makelele 5. Hierro 6. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal
@Skizzo
 
Compared to the 1st picks, decline in quality expected for the last 5 picks :nervous::(
 
Aye looking good so far mate. You got a tad lucky to snatch both Xavi, Iniesta and also C. Ronaldo.

Think you'll have a bit of a challenge with the RB and CB given that most of the top options are now gone, but it's a excellent team so far in a diluted pool.
Thank you! My first time.
I have a plan re CB and RB.
 
Any reason why no sub allowed but 14 players are drafted? Could have gone for just 12

For different tactics and setups in different games maybe? (Example: You may need a defensive LB for some setups and an offensive one for others).
 
Beckenbauer :drool::drool::drool:
What a fecking genius, could watch him 0-24....the fact he is almost never mentioned in the best ever discussion makes him one of the most underrated players in history, he can only be better then Pele/Diego not worse(reality is there are 5, 6 of them all on the same level in God tier).
 
Beckenbauer :drool::drool::drool:
What a fecking genius, could watch him 0-24....the fact he is almost never mentioned in the best ever discussion makes him one of the most underrated players in history, he can only be better then Pele/Diego not worse(reality is there are 5, 6 of them all on the same level in God tier).

Insanely consistent isn't he, almost irritatingly so :lol:
 
Wut?

He's the top dog in every discussion.

compared to Pele and Diego? When people are debating Messi and Ronaldo they are always compared to Pele and mostly Maradona, Cruyff and Kaiser barely get a mention.

Insanely consistent isn't he, almost irritatingly so :lol:

yet to watch a bad game from him:lol: you and harms know the best, when you are making a video you only follow your guy and ignore the rest, thats impossible when Kaiser plays.
 
compared to Pele and Diego? When people are debating Messi and Ronaldo they are always compared to Pele and mostly Maradona, Cruyff and Kaiser barely get a mention.

It's muppet level discussion to start rating players at that level.

There're the "God Mode" players who are the best of the lot. Then you have the GOATs who are best at their position.

For me, the God Tier is just Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo. Rest are GOATs and tiers below.
 
It's muppet level discussion to start rating players at that level.

Agree, anything other then placing them into tiers is just ignorant but you cant escape it, we all probably compared them directly at some point.
 
Beckenbauer :drool::drool::drool:
What a fecking genius, could watch him 0-24....the fact he is almost never mentioned in the best ever discussion makes him one of the most underrated players in history, he can only be better then Pele/Diego not worse(reality is there are 5, 6 of them all on the same level in God tier).

I disagree here.

Also, it's harder to dribble and score than to defend. Generally easier for a team not to concede a goal than scoring many goals.

Would Germany and Bayern have been so successful without Gerd Muller? I don't think so.
 
I disagree here.

Also, it's harder to dribble and score than to defend.
Generally easier for a team not to concede a goal than scoring many goals.

Would Germany and Bayern have been so successful without Gerd Muller? I don't think so.

sure it is....and Kaiser is so much more then a pure defender. In all his teams he was probably the best player in every segment apart from scoring. God like football brain, elite level technique, fantastic dribbler and passer of the ball - he had everything both offensive wise and defensive.

edit: and obviously i didnt meant he is actually the most underrated player, just wanted to underline the fact he is at the same level of Maradona and Pele(at least IMO) even though he is rarely mentioned with them in discussions.
 
yet to watch a bad game from him:lol: you and harms know the best, when you are making a video you only follow your guy and ignore the rest, thats impossible when Kaiser plays.

Tell me about it, when I was making those Muller compilations, I tend to leave a bit of Beckenbauer (more than I should at least) in there against my best intentions :lol:.

For me, the God Tier is just Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo. Rest are GOATs and tiers below.

I like Cristiano Ronaldo but he doesn't belong in that company in my opinion. Subjective and all that though, and don't mind it if others place him there.
 
sure it is....and Kaiser is so much more then a pure defender. In all his teams he was probably the best player in every segment apart from scoring. God like football brain, elite level technique, fantastic dribbler and passer of the ball - he had everything both offensive wise and defensive.

edit: and obviously i didnt meant he is actually the most underrated player, just wanted to underline the fact he is at the same level of Maradona and Pele(at least IMO) even though he is rarely mentioned with them in discussions.

My timeline is 1945-1950 because Beckenbauer & G Muller are born in 1945 :) In the international peak tournament, Beckenbauer was my 1st acquisition.

I just mean it's not a coincidence if the most expensive players are offensive ones :)
 
I like Cristiano Ronaldo but he doesn't belong in that company in my opinion. Subjective and all that though, and don't mind it if others place him there.

I'd have him in there due to the way he has reinvented himself much like the other God level tier players are capable of. He's not as naturally gifted as the others but makes up for it in sheer determination and hard work.
 
One of the reasons why Kaiser is not mentioned more often when in comparison to someone like Maradona is simply because defending doesn't have the aspect of individuality at a very high level as much as attacking and flair does.

What would you rather have? Kaiser along with a sh*t defence or Maradona with a sh*t attack? I know which one I would choose.

I think he is rated appropriately. Not over or under. A level (not necessarily different tier) below Maradona.
 
I like Cristiano Ronaldo but he doesn't belong in that company in my opinion. Subjective and all that though, and don't mind it if others place him there.

Had some thought myself, but considering how influential he has been, it was an acceptable choice I would say. He didn't reinvent the game like any of the others, but was just phenomenal in his influence to compete with Messi. Probably the most limited in terms of talent compared to the rest of the lot.
 
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  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R.Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Schuster 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. Vieira 6. Vieri 7. Campbell 8. Overmars
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. Makelele 5. Hierro 6. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal


@Ecstatic
 
I like Cristiano Ronaldo but he doesn't belong in that company in my opinion. Subjective and all that though, and don't mind it if others place him there.

I concur. Fenomeno is closer to that level if anything.

I agree with Edgar otherwise: Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Messi is the god tier level.
 
One of the reasons why Kaiser is not mentioned more often when in comparison to someone like Maradona is simply because defending doesn't have the aspect of individuality at a very high level as much as attacking and flair does.

What would you rather have? Kaiser along with a sh*t defence or Maradona with a sh*t attack? I know which one I would choose.

I think he is rated appropriately. Not over or under. A level (not necessarily different tier) below Maradona.
I agree, its pretty much the same reason Xavi is not mentioned in the "God tier" while being the lynchpin of two of the finest teams and no defender is going to break world transfer fee record. Right or wrong but that tier is almost exclusively reserved for Attackers.
 
One of the reasons why Kaiser is not mentioned more often when in comparison to someone like Maradona is simply because defending doesn't have the aspect of individuality at a very high level as much as attacking and flair does.

What would you rather have? Kaiser along with a sh*t defence or Maradona with a sh*t attack? I know which one I would choose.

I think he is rated appropriately. Not over or under. A level (not necessarily different tier) below Maradona.

I don't think there is much between Maradona and der Kaiser tbh. The thing is - both revolutionized the game and were absolute leaders on the pitch. Both you can build a team around and were extremely talented individuals - way ahead of their time - in the same sense Di Stefano, Pele and Cruyff were before(alongside) them. There isn't objective measurement you can use as one is defender/midfielder the other is playmaker/attacker and both have different responsibilities.

Beckenbauer would easily be worth as much as Messi/Ronaldo in todays football for one simple reason - there isn't a player like him(if ever was) and anyone remotely close to what he was doing on the pitch. In an era where players like Stones and Walker are worth north of 50m pounds and teams are starving for a world class defensive player you can argue that a player like Beckenbauer is even more rare commodity.

I agree, its pretty much the same reason Xavi is not mentioned in the "God tier" while being the lynchpin of two of the finest teams and no defender is going to break world transfer fee record. Right or wrong but that tier is almost exclusively reserved for Attackers.

Xavi should be very close to that tier as well, along with other midfielders like Didi, but to me by no means Xavi is a lesser player than C.Ronaldo or less important to his team(s).

It's all subjective, depends on how do you rate them and usually attackers always take more credit, but Beckenbauer is a multiple Ballon D'or winner (the only defender to achieve that) in an era his competition was other all time greats like Cruyff and Muller, along with several others. That goes to show how high rated he was a the time.
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R.Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Schuster 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. Vieira 6. Vieri 7. Campbell 8. Overmars
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. Makelele 5. Hierro 6. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal
@oneniltothearsenal
 
I don't think there is much between Maradona and der Kaiser tbh. The thing is - both revolutionized the game and were absolute leaders on the pitch. Both you can build a team around and were extremely talented individuals - way ahead of their time - in the same sense Di Stefano, Pele and Cruyff were before(alongside) them. There isn't objective measurement you can use as one is defender/midfielder the other is playmaker/attacker and both have different responsibilities.

Beckenbauer would easily be worth as much as Messi/Ronaldo in todays football for one simple reason - there isn't a player like him(if ever was) and anyone remotely close to what he was doing on the pitch. In an era where players like Stones and Walker are worth north of 50m pounds and teams are starving for a world class defensive player you can argue that a player like Beckenbauer is even more rare commodity.



Xavi should be very close to that tier as well, along with other midfielders like Didi, but to me by no means Xavi is a lesser player than C.Ronaldo or less important to his team(s).

It's all subjective, depends on how do you rate them and usually attackers always take more credit, but Beckenbauer is a multiple Ballon D'or winner (the only defender to achieve that) in an era his competition was other all time greats like Cruyff and Muller, along with several others. That goes to show how high rated he was a the time.

I am pretty sure no one disagrees with this. Or else we wouldn't even have a comparison between Maradona and Kaiser.

Let me put this another way at a much smaller scale. Ronaldo has a scoring rate and consistency which no one else apart from Messi has in their generation. He has set new definitions for physical prowess and maintaining scoring rates. Heck, he has the same number of Ballon Dor's. Yet he shall always be rated a level below Messi simple because Messi carried a hell lot more of individuality than anyone else in this generation. Anyone who puts CR7 in that God tier is just kidding with himself or in denial.

Coming to the transfer fees, if Franz would go for 300 MP in any market, Maradona would not go for less than 500 MP. That can't be proved, but is very difficult to contest.
 
I am pretty sure no one disagrees with this. Or else we wouldn't even have a comparison between Maradona and Kaiser.

Let me put this another way at a much smaller scale. Ronaldo has a scoring rate and consistency which no one else apart from Messi has in their generation. He has set new definitions for physical prowess and maintaining scoring rates. Heck, he has the same number of Ballon Dor's. Yet he shall always be rated a level below Messi simple because what Messi carried a hell lot more of individuality and than anyone else in this generation. Anyone who puts CR7 in that God tier is just kidding with himself or in denial.

Coming to the transfer fees, if Franz would go for 300 MP in any market, Maradona would not go for less than 500 MP. That can't be proved, but is very difficult to contest.
I won't contest Messi point cause it would lead nowhere. But bolded part is true only if you don't value consistency and longevity. For me he has a better shout than Fenomeno at least.
 
I won't contest Messi point cause it would lead nowhere. But bolded part is true only if you don't value consistency and longevity. For me he has a better shout than Fenomeno at least.

If you value consistency and longevity, you need to value what Kaiser bought to the table too and put him alongside Maradona. Contradicting yourselves.

And yes, CR7 definitely has a better shout than R9.
 
If you value consistency and longevity, you need to value what Kaiser bought to the table too and put him alongside Maradona. Contradicting yourselves.

And yes, CR7 definitely has a better shout than R9.
I am not contradicting myself, and I did not say that Kaiser is not alongside Maradona. I was saying that he is generally perceived not in god tier because people value attackers more. Also its one thing to say that Kaiser/CR7 may or may not be in god tier, its a whole different matter saying someone is kidding themselves or in denial for thinking the same.