This is one of the reasons why i just cant fully support Ole. Maguire has had this problem for over a year and yet it still continues. A great manager would instruct him to play quicker and take few touches. Most of our players have bad footballing habits that can be corrected with with proper training yet never is. Its why so many of us believe we coast by on individualism rather than managerial coaching.that's exactly what I was thinking. Push the ball 1 yard look up, push it another yard look up. Do this 5 or 6 times before he stops and plays it to whoever is beside him. Man Utd 50% possession, Maquire 20% all to himself.
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Rio used to do this all the time. This is a Fergie play. You want centre backs who can play with the ball. He is trying to draw people out of position to then start of a chain of passes that opens their defence. Watch the old games, Vidic/Rio more often than not have the ball in the centre, then RB/LB makes the overlapping run on the outside creating space for midfielder in the centre or a route out for the ball. Currently AWB and Telles are not doing this and it clogs the pitch. Rafael and Evra were absolutely fantastic with their movement.
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Nah, don't lose faith in humanity. There are a select few we all know will do it. And we have no faith in them anyway, right?
Took me a while to figure out that's exactly what Harry is doing. When we push up fast, the defense compresses, or stays so when they already are. I know we complain about the sideways and backwards passing, but it's because the opposition is clogging up the final third and we have to draw them back out. If we had as strong an attack on the right as we do on the left, I don't think we'd have this issue to the degree we do, but the defenses adjust to the fact that we don't so we are continually having to decompress defenses to work back in.
I'd say there is a strong argument that we cant hire a manager to do a better job. Have you forgotten about the three previous managers that we hired? Did any of them do a better job? A trophy or two each granted but not trophies that we aspire to win.
What is you solution then?
The amazing thing is Utd have failed to win 6 PL games this season and four of those came in our first 6 PL matches
I’m convinced if we had had a proper pre-season we would have at least 2/3 more points now.
I’m pretty sure the wheels will come off at some point if/when we get a few injuries but the fact is we’ve been in title-challenging form since Bruno arrived
I’m convinced if we had had a proper pre-season we would have at least 2/3 more points now.
I’m pretty sure the wheels will come off at some point if/when we get a few injuries but the fact is we’ve been in title-challenging form since Bruno arrived
Yeah, and if we don't win the EPL the Ole supporters just disappear, never owning up to it
Or they say, oh at least we got top 4
Ultimately, these losers will never, ever own up to supporting the wrong person no matter what because they're losers
Post better.
I was going to point out what a nonsense post this was.
But then saw your username - and it really does checkout.
Let me have a gander at some of your other opinions:
Jose doing a great job, tell me again where Tottenham are in the league right now and where we are? Shall we look at Jose's win rate in the league since he joined Tottenham? 48.78%.
Now you're complaining about Ole's results, so lets have a look at his win rate since joining United, 52.70%. It's higher than Joses.
Complaining about our results, ok... let's look at the results since Lockdown ended. Our win rate? 62.5%. How about Jose? Well, Tottenham have a 50.0% win rate.
Maybe time to reassess your opinions.
You support individual people rather than a football club?
You’re in the wrong place
It is almost as though it has become required to start with saying that Ole is not tactically great,
It may very well be true, but I am currently leaning the other way.
Like most fans I do tend to see smaller picture at times. "Cavani is outperforming Martial with the ball, therefore it is crazy not to play Cavani" type argument.
Yet Martial is getting a lot of playing time.
Could it be due to us having midfielders who absolutely thrive with a low backline and with space to operate? Fernandes is pure masterclass, but he is also being given space by Martial consistently threatening for the long pass.
Sure, we would have loved a Haaland type, who excels at that as well, but we don't have him. We have Martial. These nuances are completely overlooked. And I fall victim to the same thinking at times.
I had a slightly sad playing career myself, where I got to spend too much time warming benches in backyard leagues around Europe. Most of my time was spent as a backup goalkeeper in leagues where
my team would fight for any chance at all to play in Europe, regardless of whether that was qualification games in former soviet republics or even faroe islands. We were ecstatic if we could play anywhere on European stage. I have been fortunate to have a lot of good coaches, and been very fortunate to see how a these managers ideas (which I admit, at times made little sense in locker room) transformed to results on the pitch. And while on the bench as a backup goalkeeper, without realistic hopes of entering match, is a good place to observe
This is what I feel I see from Solskjaer. I mentioned the Martial effect on our. midfielders. You have James threatening with his speed and locking up opponents resources. You had Fred running around against PSG with a yellow and a half, but I assume this was a gamble from Solskjaer based on the necessity of a Fred to carry out his plan.
Questioning every single decision – or lack of decision – he makes at face value is too naive. We can't ignore that Solskjaer as a player was hailed as a tactical masterclass, he impressed with his ability to study the game, and was the player whom SAF himself expected a great managerial career. I still believe he makes very good tactical decisions, and that he is getting better every day. But people seem to believe that there are no details or nuances to his management, when reality seems opposite.
His main managerial mistake so far seems to be accepting the offer of a doomed Cardiff with the most eccentric owner we have seen in EPL.
Is he the answer for United? Not sure – but I love what I am seeing so far. Or rather, I love where we are at right now compared to when he took over.
The discussion on his managerial ability, and the biases he has to carry for a slightly silly scandi accent, as opposed to authoritarian southern european accent, has been based on sentiment rather than progress.
I base that solely on the massive progress we have made and are making.
Ole sat on the bench a lot and observed the thinking / decisions of SAF. It is no accident that he would come on and score so often. He read thegame from the bench, identified where exactly he needed tinbe and what tomdo to score. he dis this time and time again.
He has the earof SAF, when he needs it, is intelligent, has sat with SAF and staff throughncountless EPL campaigns, European campaigns and yet there are plenty on here who thinknthey know
better and could do a better job themselves.
The exciting thing for me is the squad can still be improved greatly in many areas.
Ole hasn’t been given a new squad over night, he has tweaked and tinkered his way to 2nd in the league.
United are plying without a right side! Once Ole unlocks that it will become very exiting indeed.
Ole hasn’t been given a new squad over night, he has tweaked and tinkered his way to 2nd in the league.
United are plying without a right side! Once Ole unlocks that it will become very exiting indeed.
Maguire is literally tasked with doing this. He is allowing the shape to reform. This is very basic football comprehension. So many teams do this. Maguire did it perfectly for Leicester and this is one of the reasons he was signed by Ole and was wanted by Pep. He dictates play from a central defensive position...
I think it's hilarious you don't understand that... and by not understanding that you are saying 'I don't know why Ole doesn't do this or that instead.' FFS.
How do I respond to such a daft comment? So many errors and assumptions on your part which shows it is actually you who lacks basic football comprehension.
United signed Maguire because it is believed that he is an excellent ball playing defender(false) who is also great in the air.
Maguire dwells on the ball which is a terrible habit for a player that wants to set the tempo. Look at matic for example, he knows when to hold unto the ball and when to release it quickly without taking any extra touches. He isn't perfect at this but he is good enough as an example in out current team. Maguire on the other hand regularly dwells on the ball even when we have players in tons of space. he isn't even a better passer than Lindelof which is a big disappointment. Since the time he arrived here Lindelof has dictated more play with forward passes than maguire has. The only reason he will always be preferred is because of his aerial ability which is a must for CB's in the league.
Personally I don’t think he dwells on the ball at all. His distribution is generally very good, and he’s not afraid to bring the ball forward. He’s measured in possession, but that is by no means a bad thing. This isn’t helped by some of the static midfields we’ve had in the past though.
This ‘Maguire dwells on the ball’ stuff is just a lazy cliche IMO.
You are my solskjaer...
My Ole solskjaer...
You make me happy..when skies are grey
Alan Sheerer was cheaper....
So please...don’t take my Ole...Away....
My Ole solskjaer...
You make me happy..when skies are grey
Alan Sheerer was cheaper....
So please...don’t take my Ole...Away....
I never felt Maguire dwells on the ball nor is he slowing down our plays. As a ballplaying CB, he need to assess his available options. Watch some of the old Barca videos on how they play with triangles, or the fullbacks are instructed to open up really wide, so the GK who plays as a sweeper is given options through spacing. Its all training & tactics on dealing with pressing & offball positioning which we lack.
Also, its not about passing it out asap. Its more effective to wait for them to commit to a press, get them out of position, then release the ball for a positional or numerical advantage.
Ffs Ole. Does he know how difficult it is to be on #oleout wagon when he keeps winning games??
Ffs Ole. Does he know how difficult it is to be on #oleout wagon when he keeps winning games??
I bet people are kicking themselves because lord and saviour Poch won't be coming here.Alan Shearer was feckin' dearer
I really feel for those fans. Feel that they should piss off.
Is there anyone out there that still thinks we should sack ole, top of the table ?
I've been Ole in since I saw his transfer record. He is bringing the correct players in. We are now seeing a good squad playing well.
Ole outers are just negative people not willing to give managers time.
Ole outers are just negative people not willing to give managers time.
I miss every person I have on ignore - it's a bit sad that they have completely vanished now that we are winning football matches. Would be nice to discuss football with them
I have been Ole out before. I think he is doing very well now. I want the best for the club not for any particular person be it Ole or even Fergie. Right now Ole is doing very well.
So delighted for ole!! hope it continues and we win some silverware this season. League is still hard but if we can compete till the last day it will be really good progress.
Just hope he talks to some players about keeping the ball better. Some of the decision making by the players caused unnecessary pressure on the defence especially the last 10 mins.
I thought goin out of the cl would dent his confidence but credit to ole and players, we came back stronger.
Just hope he talks to some players about keeping the ball better. Some of the decision making by the players caused unnecessary pressure on the defence especially the last 10 mins.
I thought goin out of the cl would dent his confidence but credit to ole and players, we came back stronger.
Yes. What some refuse to recognize is the improvement in individual and team play and also be patient that our weaknesses can also be ironed out. Its 16 games into the season and at the very least the whole club is working very hard and the results and performances have clearly been on the up for some time. Its their absolute determination to keep going on about Ole being the wrong guy and all the mistakes that have been made. It moronic. You would have to be mental to even consider sacking Ole based on current form and this early in the season or talking about what will happen in the Summer. whether that is the case at the end of the season remains to be seen as its a results based business and is being taken one game at a time. But at this current moment the results are very good, the football is exciting, as you say transfer strategy seems best in years, and everyone is working hard to succeed and get results despite the team not being perfect. So to do anything other than support the club right now is very weird, and very toxic imo. It also makes no fecking sense. But I suppose they have made their mind up that Ole is and never will be good enough... what they may fail to acknowledge is that like many players and perhaps even some management figures, Ole is improving. And if he keeps on improving he can become very very good. If not then it will be clear enough i.e. we won't have joint most points in the league and the performances individually and collectively will be deteriorating.
so how many defeats before you flip flop again?
Zero. Draw will be enough. They keep their knives sharp and ready
next time we go behind!
joking aside, good to see some vehement Ole Out fans getting behind the manager and team.
Well he's winning me over, and I'm not ashamed to say it - huge doubter of the man but you just have to give a wealth of credit to the turnaround.
actually I'd respect them more if they stayed true, you either think he's the right man for the job or you don't. Good or bad runs of form shouldn't change that
Let me have a gander at some of your other opinions:
Jose doing a great job, tell me again where Tottenham are in the league right now and where we are? Shall we look at Jose's win rate in the league since he joined Tottenham? 48.78%.
Now you're complaining about Ole's results, so lets have a look at his win rate since joining United, 52.70%. It's higher than Joses.
Complaining about our results, ok... let's look at the results since Lockdown ended. Our win rate? 62.5%. How about Jose? Well, Tottenham have a 50.0% win rate.
Maybe time to reassess your opinions.
Don't forget Tottenham are a "serious title contender" according to many.
This is nonsense. Maguire isn’t perfect but his composure and passing range is several levels above any of our other CB’s. Just tonight he nipped in ahead of the Villa striker and played a first time pass behind their RB to one of our players. Take Maguire out of the teams and we’d all realise what a big miss he would be.
As for tempo, it’s been a problem for the whole team at times. I personally dislike when we have all of Matic, Pogba and Maguire because they all have a tendency to slow it down. The flip side is Fred and McTominay are a maybe too wasteful. We are still seeking that perfect balance.
They’re biased if they think that. I’m Ole in again now, had a bit of a wobble post UCL exit but he’s proven himself once again. The fact we are still competing for the league past halfway is enough for me. Deserves another season after this assuming we finish top 4.
disagree. Nothing wrong with sticking to your guns, to an extent... but also nothing wrong in admitting that actually the manager is doing a decent job and you were wrong.
agree with this. We have a lot of very good midfielders - they all are, but we haven’t ever found the right mix.
I think the end of the season is a justified time to really critique and judge the manager but of a mid season review I don't think anyone could see us in the position we are. I know teams have been inconsistent but we can only credit the results and we are 2nd in the table level with 1st and from statistics have the most wins in the league.
Consistency has always been a big question over this team and management. I don't think personally our performances are enough to rely on but, strangely Solskjaer has this uncanny ability to get things going for him when the wrong direction in those clutch moments would ultimately decide his fate. We have now entered into a phase within time where currently the direction is towards silverware instead of the consequence of him being sacked. I'm in no way shape or form a "Solskjaer must stay at all cost" enthusiast but it must be noted that we have made feasible progress.
The next half of the season is crucial however we cannot afford a Leicester level of capitulation and end up back in the fringes of top 6 criteria, the players must now fight for the league. I don't believe we are blessed tactically with the best philosophy, the best coaches or the best resources that would otherwise supercede a team but as Liverpool showed last season, on the foundation of average performances, a desire to win mentality is enough to differentiate winners from losers.
Consistency has always been a big question over this team and management. I don't think personally our performances are enough to rely on but, strangely Solskjaer has this uncanny ability to get things going for him when the wrong direction in those clutch moments would ultimately decide his fate. We have now entered into a phase within time where currently the direction is towards silverware instead of the consequence of him being sacked. I'm in no way shape or form a "Solskjaer must stay at all cost" enthusiast but it must be noted that we have made feasible progress.
The next half of the season is crucial however we cannot afford a Leicester level of capitulation and end up back in the fringes of top 6 criteria, the players must now fight for the league. I don't believe we are blessed tactically with the best philosophy, the best coaches or the best resources that would otherwise supercede a team but as Liverpool showed last season, on the foundation of average performances, a desire to win mentality is enough to differentiate winners from losers.