The “Ole In” Brigade

Mickson said:
I counted in another currency, and when several reacted I looked it up. That's why "I knew" when he wrote. You should learn a thing or two about how language works, but I guess it's hard when you are sitting on your high Norwegian horse.
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My degree is in language and intercultural communication with a specialisation in English, which included courses in linguistics, semantics, interpretation, translation, etc.

He said you owned your mistake in that paragraph, I just paraphrased it to him and said it doesn’t constitute acknowledging a mistake.

So you can piss off.
 
Mickson said:
I counted in another currency, and when several reacted I looked it up. That's why "I knew" when he wrote. You should learn a thing or two about how language works, but I guess it's hard when you are sitting on your high Norwegian horse.
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Dude, you're drowning in here. Your arguments are weak or nonexistent. I don't care enough about how you feel to bother to address every single point you've been trying to make but please, stop with the nonsense, it's not working out. As people have claimed already, you're actually increasing trust in Ole by showing how stupid arguments against him can be.

There is a wise saying that goes: "when you're in a hole, stop digging."
 
georgipep said:
Dude, you're drowning in here. Your arguments are weak or nonexistent. I don't care enough about how you feel to bother to address every single point you've been trying to make but please, stop with the nonsense, it's not working out. As people have claimed already, you're actually increasing trust in Ole by showing how stupid arguments against him can be.

There is a wise saying that goes: "when you're in a hole, stop digging."
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Hahha. I just have standards, you on the other hand, among others, are happy with being top 4. Give me ANY argument that Ole is the right choice for United to win the league or CL and I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have made several points why he isn't good enough, among stuff like: Seventh worst defense so far this season, being outplayed by teams like Crystal Palace and Brighton, hardly improving any player, hardly improving the style of football at all, bad in-game management and with all that bought more than pretty much any club in the world.
 
Lentwood said:
Have you considered that people are reluctant to call for Ole to quit because they think he is doing a good job?

The point about the Glazers plundering our wealth makes no sense because it was arguably SAF who did more than any manager to facilitate the takeover. It was SAF who told fans who complained to “go and support Chelsea”, it was SAF who used the “no value in the market” line over and over again to excuse our lack of spending, it was SAF who oversaw a 6yr period between 2005 and 2010 where we had a POSITIVE net spend...

I don’t really know how you draw the conclusion that Ole is “facilitating the plundering of the club’s wealth” - there’s zero evidence to support that.

What do you call an argument where you make stuff up to support a conclusion you have already decided is correct?
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The question of whether Ole is doing a good or bad job is somewhat beside the point. He is there for the wrong reasons and our inconsistency and lack of competitiveness at the highest level has only a limited connection to his qualities or lack of them as a coach. But that is not an argument to keep him - in a well run club he would not be manager and we would not have this group of players - that's the bottom line. And a well run club is the goal. Sacking Ole on its own does not achieve that. It is a byproduct of it.

And yes SAF was almost entirely responsible for the Glazer debacle and it is a huge black mark on his record that many supporter choose to ignore. Roy Keane was right about that.

Ole is “facilitating the plundering of the club’s wealth” because he protects the Glazers from criticism in a way that less popular but more technically accomplished managers didn't - like Jose. And plundering the club's wealth is exactly what the Glazers have been doing.

What do you call an argument that refused to to engage with complexity? I can think of a word.
 
Mickson said:
Hahha. I just have standards, you on the other hand, among others, are happy with being top 4. Give me ANY argument that Ole is the right choice for United to win the league or CL and I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have made several points why he isn't good enough, among stuff like: Seventh worst defense so far this season, being outplayed by teams like Crystal Palace and Brighton, hardly improving any player, hardly improving the style of football at all, bad in-game management and with all that bought more than pretty much any club in the world.
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Good luck dude. If you want to see my arguments, I suggest you have a stroll through my previous posts. For me (and many other, as has been proven in this thread) you are writing bs.
 
Mickson said:
I counted in another currency, and when several reacted I looked it up. That's why "I knew" when he wrote. You should learn a thing or two about how language works, but I guess it's hard when you are sitting on your high Norwegian horse.
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What currency was that? Zimbabwean dollars? :lol: :wenger:
 
Verminator said:
I put mickson on ignore, but now I am seriously considering whether he is an Ole-in shill.
No Ole supporters on here have done more to debase the Ole-out agenda, than mickson.

Merry Christmas @Mickson. The greatest undercover-agent since Johnny English.
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He's taking the Mick, son.
 
Mickson said:
Hahha. I just have standards, you on the other hand, among others, are happy with being top 4. Give me ANY argument that Ole is the right choice for United to win the league or CL and I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have made several points why he isn't good enough, among stuff like: Seventh worst defense so far this season, being outplayed by teams like Crystal Palace and Brighton, hardly improving any player, hardly improving the style of football at all, bad in-game management and with all that bought more than pretty much any club in the world.
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Aah, the good old 'standards' argument. Every ole out argument finds its way here.
 
Mickson said:
Hahha. I just have standards, you on the other hand, among others, are happy with being top 4. Give me ANY argument that Ole is the right choice for United to win the league or CL and I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have made several points why he isn't good enough, among stuff like: Seventh worst defense so far this season, being outplayed by teams like Crystal Palace and Brighton, hardly improving any player, hardly improving the style of football at all, bad in-game management and with all that bought more than pretty much any club in the world.
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big rons sovereign said:
Aah, the good old 'standards' argument. Every ole out argument finds its way here.
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Wasn't there a time on the CAF when it was generally agreed on here that Top 4 is STANDARD for a club like Man Utd?

Now we're at a place where we can confidently say that we're a Top 4 club and in a better position than we were a few years ago?

...and NOW, people are upset because we're not challenging for the title year on year.

Ole Outers are never happy and will constantly move the goalposts until Ole is gone (hopefully that won't be for a very very long time)

Ole could win the PL, Europa, UCL, FA Cup and Carabao in a space of 2 years and still there would be excuses of why he won x, y, z and that he's not good enough.

Heck, we could win, or atleast be a dark horse in the PL this year and people would be like 'oh COVID was the reason Ole won. It doesn't count' - Lord give me strength.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Wasn't there a time on the CAF when it was generally agreed on here that Top 4 is STANDARD for a club like Man Utd?

Now we're at a place where we can confidently say that we're a Top 4 club and in a better position than we were a few years ago?

...and NOW, people are upset because we're not challenging for the title year on year.

Ole Outers are never happy and will constantly move the goalposts until Ole is gone (hopefully that won't be for a very very long time)

Ole could win the PL, Europa, UCL, FA Cup and Carabao in a space of 2 years and still there would be excuses of why he won x, y, z and that he's not good enough.

Heck, we could win, or atleast be a dark horse in the PL this year and people would be like 'oh COVID was the reason Ole won. It doesn't count' - Lord give me strength.
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Why are you putting words in my mouth? We reached top 4 already under LvGs time, why would I be happy with that? We are Manchester United and we should be challenging for the big trophies, especially when you considered how much money we have spent. Our squad is definitely good enough and has a very good ground (which Ole deserves credit for), now it's down to management and maximize the potential. The bold is a very strange argument I see all the time. You behave like we have won loads, or even had great results? We haven't had that over a season with Ole? Very strange. If we manage to win PL, which we won't, and everyone knows that except a few fans here who still thinks Ole is Fergie, then obviously Ole is good enough.
 
Eriku said:
My degree is in language and intercultural communication with a specialisation in English, which included courses in linguistics, semantics, interpretation, translation, etc.

He said you owned your mistake in that paragraph, I just paraphrased it to him and said it doesn’t constitute acknowledging a mistake.

So you can piss off.
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:lol: Sorry, great post
 
glazed said:
The question of whether Ole is doing a good or bad job is somewhat beside the point. He is there for the wrong reasons and our inconsistency and lack of competitiveness at the highest level has only a limited connection to his qualities or lack of them as a coach. But that is not an argument to keep him - in a well run club he would not be manager and we would not have this group of players - that's the bottom line. And a well run club is the goal. Sacking Ole on its own does not achieve that. It is a byproduct of it.

Ole is “facilitating the plundering of the club’s wealth” because he protects the Glazers from criticism in a way that less popular but more technically accomplished managers didn't - like Jose. And plundering the club's wealth is exactly what the Glazers have been doing.
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I’m not sure I follow that line of reasoning? Why would a “well run club” not appoint a former player as their manager? It’s a fairly common approach now as has been very successful at the highest level.

Jose was sacked because he wasn’t doing a good job, not because he was somehow holding the Glazers to account. I liked Jose but he started to lose the plot. His signings where more and more short-sighted and he shattered the confidence of players who could have been useful.

Moreover, I think far from holding the Glazers to account, Jose was simply looking to protect his own ego and reputation.

Ole is doing a better job than Jose did as manager, not because Ole is a better tactician or coach but because he has a stronger vision for what a successful Manchester Utd looks like and has been more adept at getting fans, staff, board and players to pull together to achieve it
 
Mickson said:
Why are you putting words in my mouth? We reached top 4 already under LvGs time, why would I be happy with that? We are Manchester United and we should be challenging for the big trophies, especially when you considered how much money we have spent. Our squad is definitely good enough and has a very good ground (which Ole deserves credit for), now it's down to management and maximize the potential. The bold is a very strange argument I see all the time. You behave like we have won loads, or even had great results? We haven't had that over a season with Ole? Very strange. If we manage to win PL, which we won't, and everyone knows that except a few fans here who still thinks Ole is Fergie, then obviously Ole is good enough.
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I don’t think anyone has ever mistook Ole for Fergie! They are years apart and have different accents
 
Halftrack said:
How about you apply some to your posting?
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I have gone through your posts. Your only purpose here seems to be doing oneliners. You don't know football, do you? Would be amazed if you came with an argument about why Ole is SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD. But I know, you won't. Because you can't.
 
Mickson said:
I have gone through your posts. Your only purpose here seems to be doing oneliners. You don't know football, do you? Would be amazed if you came with an argument about why Ole is SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD. But I know, you won't. Because you can't.
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If you want more than one-liners, improve your posting. You can start by making sensible arguments that are supported by facts or rooted in reality, not whatever it is you've been doing for the last few pages. I mean, you cite our game against Leeds as an example of us not dominating, and then expect people to take you seriously. I'm sorry, I'm I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept that a real person would make that argument in good faith.

When you were called a troll, it wasn't because you had a different opinion from the guy referring to you as such, it's because of arguments like the aforementioned. It's an argument that, in most peoples eyes, can't be made in good faith because it has no basis in reality. And it's not the only one like that you've made.
 
Mickson said:
I have gone through your posts. Your only purpose here seems to be doing oneliners. You don't know football, do you? Would be amazed if you came with an argument about why Ole is SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD. But I know, you won't. Because you can't.
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He’s won 13 domestic away games in a row, currently only bettered in recent history by pep and Jose.
 
Cpt Negative said:
He’s won 13 domestic away games in a row, currently only bettered in recent history by pep and Jose.
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That's a good record! But a record that doesn't make that much a difference in the end if you don't win your home games. people act like Ole is winning or has been even remotely close to winning the league. Ole's track record is that he's good in periods over a season, and he has never, not even this season, been good for a longer period of time. Win several games when he was caretaker. Then a poor end. Then good again. Then poor again. Then a dreadful start to the season. Then a good end to the season. Then a poor start again... and so on. Yes, Ole has been doing well for the last two games. But it's two games! It's not like it's two years ago he didn't manage to take a single point that was needed for the last two games for CL qualification. Or that he was totally under the bridge against West Ham in the first half. I mean, that was truly awful. What I think? Ole has built a good squad. Rashford has developed into a quality player. Bruno is a fantastic signing. We have the quality to do big things, and when we release them and when they get space - we can be very good. What I, and the players don't believe (according to Laurie Whitwell) is that Ole is a top coach. Which we obviously have seen evidence for time and time again. He can't set up a balance where we are good in attack and good in defense. It's almost always either. When we are good in defense and in the attack, it's almost always a counterattacking win against a big team. I'm thinking PSG away. Games like these. I can't remember a single league game where we have been very good at both ends this season. And Ole has been here for over two years! It's time for United to start dominating games and challenge for big trophies. I think that a really really good manager would challenge for the title with this squad. If you change Klopp and Ole, we could win the league. That's what I think's the difference. And that's why I don't think we can win it this year. That's why it's frustrating with Ole, because this season, this bizarre season, we could actually have a decent chance at claiming the title when everyone is dropping points. As the poster below me said, he isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a particularly good either. Do people really think that we can't hire a manager who would do a better job?
 
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Lentwood said:
I’m not sure I follow that line of reasoning? Why would a “well run club” not appoint a former player as their manager? It’s a fairly common approach now as has been very successful at the highest level.

Jose was sacked because he wasn’t doing a good job, not because he was somehow holding the Glazers to account.
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It's not badly run if making money is your primary objective.

Ole was appointed and then retained because the fans wouldn't turn of him so easily. He was clearly unqualified for the job - he came from managing Molde ffs. But he did OK. And when he didn't get the signings he wanted, he didn't complain. Having a house trained manager who won't rock the boat facilitates the making of money. It's not actually necessary to win anything to get the fans to turn up because we are mostly incredibly loyal or incredibly stupid or both. The Glazers are therefore cashing in on what economists call the inelasticity of demand for their product.

Jose didn't get the signings he wanted to challenge for the title (specifically a new high quality centre back) and he let it be known quite loudly. That's a big part of why he was sacked. The other part of it is he wanted to be sacked because he hated living in Manchester, he realised he couldn't win anything in the Glazer structure, and his reputation was going down the toilet. I was glad to sere the back of him because the football he plays is just awful but that's by the by.

At the end of the day Ole isn't doing that bad a job. He just isn't doing an especially good one either. But he isn't the main problem with the club. He is, in fact, a huge distraction from the main problem. And that has been, and remains, the Glazers.
 
glazed said:
It's not badly run if making money is your primary objective.

Ole was appointed and then retained because the fans wouldn't turn of him so easily. He was clearly unqualified for the job - he came from managing Molde ffs. But he did OK. And when he didn't get the signings he wanted, he didn't complain. Having a house trained manager who won't rock the boat facilitates the making of money. It's not actually necessary to win anything to get the fans to turn up because we are mostly incredibly loyal or incredibly stupid or both. The Glazers are therefore cashing in on what economists call the inelasticity of demand for their product.

Jose didn't get the signings he wanted to challenge for the title (specifically a new high quality centre back) and he let it be known quite loudly. That's a big part of why he was sacked. The other part of it is he wanted to be sacked because he hated living in Manchester, he realised he couldn't win anything in the Glazer structure, and his reputation was going down the toilet. I was glad to sere the back of him because the football he plays is just awful but that's by the by.

At the end of the day Ole isn't doing that bad a job. He just isn't doing an especially good one either. But he isn't the main problem with the club. He is, in fact, a huge distraction from the main problem. And that has been, and remains, the Glazers.
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Jose was backed, as Ole is now.

Jose was pissing money down the drain on his short-term transfers and getting us nowhere with it. His solution to that problem? Spend more money. When the club Quite understandably tightened the purse strings, he threw a hissyfit and blamed all his failures on the board. Classic Jose.

It’s time to take the tin foil hat off.
 
Mickson said:
That's a good record! But a record that doesn't make that much a difference in the end if you don't win your home games. people act like Ole is winning or has been even remotely close to winning the league. Ole's track record is that he's good in periods over a season, and he has never, not even this season, been good for a longer period of time. Win several games when he was caretaker. Then a poor end. Then good again. Then poor again. Then a dreadful start to the season. Then a good end to the season. Then a poor start again... and so on. Yes, Ole has been doing well for the last two games. But it's two games! It's not like it's two years ago he didn't manage to take a single point that was needed for the last two games for CL qualification. Or that he was totally under the bridge against West Ham in the first half. I mean, that was truly awful. What I think? Ole has built a good squad. Rashford has developed into a quality player. Bruno is a fantastic signing. We have the quality to do big things, and when we release them and when they get space - we can be very good. What I, and the players don't believe (according to Laurie Whitwell) is that Ole is a top coach. Which we obviously have seen evidence for time and time again. He can't set up a balance where we are good in attack and good in defense. It's almost always either. When we are good in defense and in the attack, it's almost always a counterattacking win against a big team. I'm thinking PSG away. Games like these. I can't remember a single league game where we have been very good at both ends this season. And Ole has been here for over two years! It's time for United to start dominating games and challenge for big trophies. I think that a really really good manager would challenge for the title with this squad. If you change Klopp and Ole, we could win the league. That's what I think's the difference. And that's why I don't think we can win it this year. That's why it's frustrating with Ole, because this season, this bizarre season, we could actually have a decent chance at claiming the title when everyone is dropping points. As the poster below me said, he isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a particularly good either. Do people really think that we can't hire a manager who would do a better job?
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Go on then if you got your wish and we sack Solskjaer tonight, which manager do you think is a sure thing to come in tomorrow and go and win the league?
 
Leftback99 said:
Go on then if you got your wish and we sack Solskjaer tonight, which manager do you think is a sure thing to come in tomorrow and go and win the league?
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I think if we had someone like Naglesmann or Pochettino, we would have a better chance of winning the league. Obviously, we should have gone for Klopp and Guardiola. IMO we let it go too far sometimes, and I think, sadly, it all goes down to Fergie "support your manager". The best teams today change their manager pretty often and Bayern wouldn't have won CL or even the league if they stuck with Kovac. But they are ambitious and it paid off. We have bigger problems than Ole though. It's not the sign of a great football club to let manager after manager change half the squad. And as I said, Ole has built a good squad. I just don't think he is a very good coach and if say Pochettino would take over NOW, he would have a very good squad, a better squad than Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, and Solskjaer inherited.
 
Mickson said:
I think if we had someone like Naglesmann or Pochettino, we would have a better chance of winning the league. Obviously, we should have gone for Klopp and Guardiola. IMO we let it go too far sometimes, and I think, sadly, it all goes down to Fergie "support your manager". The best teams today change their manager pretty often and Bayern wouldn't have won CL or even the league if they stuck with Kovac. But they are ambitious and it paid off.
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We aren't one of the best teams though. With someone like Bayern it's obvious when they are underperforming because they should walk the league every year with their squad, there's no excuses.

Poch has done nothing to have such confidence. He couldn't win the league with a better team than we have now but up against worse opposition. As for someone new to the PL coming in and winning the league in 5 months, no chance.
 
Mickson said:
I think if we had someone like Naglesmann or Pochettino, we would have a better chance of winning the league. Obviously, we should have gone for Klopp and Guardiola. IMO we let it go too far sometimes, and I think, sadly, it all goes down to Fergie "support your manager". The best teams today change their manager pretty often and Bayern wouldn't have won CL or even the league if they stuck with Kovac. But they are ambitious and it paid off. We have bigger problems than Ole though. It's not the sign of a great football club to let manager after manager change half the squad. And as I said, Ole has built a good squad. I just don't think he is a very good coach and if say Pochettino would take over NOW, he would have a very good squad, a better squad than Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, and Solskjaer inherited.
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I agree with everything, always thought Kovac situation at Bayern is a good example of how things should be done. Unfortunately like you said, we're still too sentimental and can t get over stand behind your manager/ not sacking club kind of philosophy to ruin our PR. We should be more ruthless.

I don't find that problematic that we get new players for a new manager, it's absolutely normal and shows our ammbition to back our manager. Problem is that it somehow turns out bad.

We're a bit unlucky tbh. Moyes was a mistake and bad recommendation from SAF, Van Gaal from all managers available seemed like everything we needed at the time to reestablish the morale of the squad, give youth a chance and play attacking football. Mourinho was another fix, can't blame the board came for him, he's another authority and a winner we needed.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing though, even after all these years there wouldn't be a manager who would guarantee you success when you look who was available.. I think Ole is a good choice after Mou too, we shouldn't be too kind and think anything than winning is an option after three years or at least see a clear progress.

We shouldn't also waste so much talent of this squad it has.
 
After Liverpool, we have the second best record in the country in the last calendar year.
 
Mickson said:
That's a good record! But a record that doesn't make that much a difference in the end if you don't win your home games. people act like Ole is winning or has been even remotely close to winning the league. Ole's track record is that he's good in periods over a season, and he has never, not even this season, been good for a longer period of time. Win several games when he was caretaker. Then a poor end. Then good again. Then poor again. Then a dreadful start to the season. Then a good end to the season. Then a poor start again... and so on. Yes, Ole has been doing well for the last two games. But it's two games! It's not like it's two years ago he didn't manage to take a single point that was needed for the last two games for CL qualification. Or that he was totally under the bridge against West Ham in the first half. I mean, that was truly awful. What I think? Ole has built a good squad. Rashford has developed into a quality player. Bruno is a fantastic signing. We have the quality to do big things, and when we release them and when they get space - we can be very good. What I, and the players don't believe (according to Laurie Whitwell) is that Ole is a top coach. Which we obviously have seen evidence for time and time again. He can't set up a balance where we are good in attack and good in defense. It's almost always either. When we are good in defense and in the attack, it's almost always a counterattacking win against a big team. I'm thinking PSG away. Games like these. I can't remember a single league game where we have been very good at both ends this season. And Ole has been here for over two years! It's time for United to start dominating games and challenge for big trophies. I think that a really really good manager would challenge for the title with this squad. If you change Klopp and Ole, we could win the league. That's what I think's the difference. And that's why I don't think we can win it this year. That's why it's frustrating with Ole, because this season, this bizarre season, we could actually have a decent chance at claiming the title when everyone is dropping points. As the poster below me said, he isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a particularly good either. Do people really think that we can't hire a manager who would do a better job?
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You are pretty much spot on in your analysis IMO. Everyone so quick to announce that we have finally arrived but for most games this season we couldn't even perform for an entire half and as Neville said, we just relied on 3-4 individuals to produce moments in a game, rather than actually dominating like a top team. I need more than 2 matches to demonstrate that this is still not the case as I have a larger sample size of us having no identity, sporadic and inconsistent play, with over reliance on individual talent and much of what you have pointed to in your post. Even in the Leeds game I thought we were awful in defence and far too porous.

I do think we could hire a better manager but at the same time he is doing enough to not get sacked so it would be kinda harsh. I like how we are buying young south american talent also
 
Zen86 said:
Jose was backed, as Ole is now.

Jose was pissing money down the drain on his short-term transfers and getting us nowhere with it. His solution to that problem? Spend more money. When the club Quite understandably tightened the purse strings, he threw a hissyfit and blamed all his failures on the board. Classic Jose.

It’s time to take the tin foil hat off.
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Jose SPUNKED money. Spent 50 mill on Fred and didn't play him. 40 mill on Matic who you get 10 solid games per season. 74 mill Lukaku, 90 mill Pogba. 28 mill Miki, 29 mill Bailly, + 30 mill Lindelof (then kept trying to replace them) Sanchez I am sure I forgot some but he set us back and was terrible in the market. simply terrible
 
Stacks said:
Jose SPUNKED money. Spent 50 mill on Fred and didn't play him. 40 mill on Matic who you get 10 solid games per season. 74 mill Lukaku, 90 mill Pogba. 28 mill Miki, 29 mill Bailly, + 30 mill Lindelof (then kept trying to replace them) Sanchez I am sure I forgot some but he set us back and was terrible in the market. simply terrible
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Pretty much this.

I hope caftards understand that it was José Mourinho who brought in Alexis Sanchez.
 
Mickson said:
That's a good record! But a record that doesn't make that much a difference in the end if you don't win your home games. people act like Ole is winning or has been even remotely close to winning the league. Ole's track record is that he's good in periods over a season, and he has never, not even this season, been good for a longer period of time. Win several games when he was caretaker. Then a poor end. Then good again. Then poor again. Then a dreadful start to the season. Then a good end to the season. Then a poor start again... and so on. Yes, Ole has been doing well for the last two games. But it's two games! It's not like it's two years ago he didn't manage to take a single point that was needed for the last two games for CL qualification. Or that he was totally under the bridge against West Ham in the first half. I mean, that was truly awful. What I think? Ole has built a good squad. Rashford has developed into a quality player. Bruno is a fantastic signing. We have the quality to do big things, and when we release them and when they get space - we can be very good. What I, and the players don't believe (according to Laurie Whitwell) is that Ole is a top coach. Which we obviously have seen evidence for time and time again. He can't set up a balance where we are good in attack and good in defense. It's almost always either. When we are good in defense and in the attack, it's almost always a counterattacking win against a big team. I'm thinking PSG away. Games like these. I can't remember a single league game where we have been very good at both ends this season. And Ole has been here for over two years! It's time for United to start dominating games and challenge for big trophies. I think that a really really good manager would challenge for the title with this squad. If you change Klopp and Ole, we could win the league. That's what I think's the difference. And that's why I don't think we can win it this year. That's why it's frustrating with Ole, because this season, this bizarre season, we could actually have a decent chance at claiming the title when everyone is dropping points. As the poster below me said, he isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a particularly good either. Do people really think that we can't hire a manager who would do a better job?
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No sane person expected a league challenge last season. Both among pundits and members on the Caf it was about 50/50 whether or not we would make top 4, league challenge was not even in the conversation, so why use that as a stick to beat him with?

Everyone knows why we started slow this year. We had virtually no holiday and no preseason so the squad was nowhere near match fit. Most other teams that played in Europe in August had a pretty rough start to the season as well.

Making a long list of times we've been poor is daft imo because all managers have shite games and its not like its just the managers who decide the outcome of matches. Klopp is not coming here in a million years so why even entertain that idea? Among the other names that gets floated around: Poch, Nagelsmann, Rose, Hassenhuttl etc. None of these have any major trophies to their name either and none of them have even been close to experiencing the pressure that follows the Man Utd manager job

You admitted he has built a good squad, yet you want to end that process and hit the reset button again for some hypothetical scenario where another manager has us challenge for the league. How long does this new manager get? One season? Two? We are making progress both in terms of results and performances, the squad looks to be 100% behind Ole and also looks to really be enjoying themselves currently. Also, this idea that sacking a manager means that things automatically will improve is just silly. For every Klopp and Guardiola appointment you have 3-4 Hodgson, Arteta and Villas Boas appointments

Just to be clear, i fully expect him to improve on last years league performance and to keep making sensible changes to the squad. If he fails that i'd want him gone ASAP as well, but getting rid of him now while we are on a upward trajectory just seems short sighted to me
 
Improvement Ole is making with every month in charge is pretty obvious to anyone who does not have agenda against him. Team is playing much better football than year ago, players are more fit, they are playing every three days and look very good on the pitch in final minutes where we had problems in the post covid games. We are making chances in every game, we are dominating in big part of the games, and all signings so far has been good and improve the squad. Results are much better, and while you can argue that other teams are shit cause of covide and playing every three days and no preseason, those are reasons for Ole as well. In the same conditions he is making good results. The only negative has been game in Turkey, and first half against West Ham. The previous negatives (CP, Spurs and Brighton) I will forget as we did not have any games before that.

The main thing is that he so much improved character of the team, we are winning games after being down goal or two. We are winning games in situation when they have knife under throat, like against PSG away, or Leipzig home. We will still lose game now and than, but this team looks good and with so much space to improve.
 
I've had to start an account to post this, after reading some of the utter nonsense on these threads.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

Let me say that again...

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

And he has actually played one less game than most managers in the Premier League such as "world class" coaches Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

He has also, during this calendar year, amassed more points than Mauricio Pochettinho has EVER amassed as a manager in all his years.

Can those too narrow-minded to see what Ole is doing at our football club and are, instead, calling out for Poch to be installed as our coach grow the hell up.

On top of what I have already posted; Ole is now our greatest performing manager of all time after two years in charge. Better than Busby's first two years, better than Ferguson's first two years.

And like Busy and Ferguson, Ole is overseeing a longterm strategy that will not see us just get to the top, but get to the top and stay there for a long, long period of time. It is a long-term plan, and if you take the time to study what is going on in the Academy, instead of just complaining that the first team only drew at Leicester after we'd played more games than any other team in England during December, then you might learn something. We signed the four most hottest young talents in world football this summer... aged 16/17... From Barcelona's academy, from Real Madrid's academy, the best young player from South America etc....

THIS is all a long-term plan. And those without the patience to see it through over the next few years really need to look at our history. Manchester United HAVE NEVER won a league title without a long-term strategy.

Grow up.

Support our manager.

Support the club's rich history and traditions.
 
GoldTrafford99 said:
I've had to start an account to post this, after reading some of the utter nonsense on these threads.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

Let me say that again...

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

And he has actually played one less game than most managers in the Premier League such as "world class" coaches Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

He has also, during this calendar year, amassed more points than Mauricio Pochettinho has EVER amassed as a manager in all his years.

Can those too narrow-minded to see what Ole is doing at our football club and are, instead, calling out for Poch to be installed as our coach grow the hell up.

On top of what I have already posted; Ole is now our greatest performing manager of all time after two years in charge. Better than Busby's first two years, better than Ferguson's first two years.

And like Busy and Ferguson, Ole is overseeing a longterm strategy that will not see us just get to the top, but get to the top and stay there for a long, long period of time. It is a long-term plan, and if you take the time to study what is going on in the Academy, instead of just complaining that the first team only drew at Leicester after we'd played more games than any other team in England during December, then you might learn something. We signed the four most hottest young talents in world football this summer... aged 16/17... From Barcelona's academy, from Real Madrid's academy, the best young player from South America etc....

THIS is all a long-term plan. And those without the patience to see it through over the next few years really need to look at our history. Manchester United HAVE NEVER won a league title without a long-term strategy.

Grow up.

Support our manager.

Support the club's rich history and traditions.
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Get yer tin hat fella. This could get messy.
Especially if we lose tomorrow.....
 
big rons sovereign said:
Get yer tin hat fella. This could get messy.
Especially if we lose tomorrow.....
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If anyone thinks tomorrow's match has any baring on any point I made above, then they don't understand any of the points I've made above...

I'd go so far as saying I don't even think this season counts, in all honesty. Our plan is focused way beyond this season.

Two more super teen talents coming to the club in January now from different corners of the world...
 
GoldTrafford99 said:
I've had to start an account to post this, after reading some of the utter nonsense on these threads.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

Let me say that again...

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has amassed more points than ANY OTHER manager in the Premier League during the year 2020.

And he has actually played one less game than most managers in the Premier League such as "world class" coaches Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

He has also, during this calendar year, amassed more points than Mauricio Pochettinho has EVER amassed as a manager in all his years.

Can those too narrow-minded to see what Ole is doing at our football club and are, instead, calling out for Poch to be installed as our coach grow the hell up.

On top of what I have already posted; Ole is now our greatest performing manager of all time after two years in charge. Better than Busby's first two years, better than Ferguson's first two years.

And like Busy and Ferguson, Ole is overseeing a longterm strategy that will not see us just get to the top, but get to the top and stay there for a long, long period of time. It is a long-term plan, and if you take the time to study what is going on in the Academy, instead of just complaining that the first team only drew at Leicester after we'd played more games than any other team in England during December, then you might learn something. We signed the four most hottest young talents in world football this summer... aged 16/17... From Barcelona's academy, from Real Madrid's academy, the best young player from South America etc....

THIS is all a long-term plan. And those without the patience to see it through over the next few years really need to look at our history. Manchester United HAVE NEVER won a league title without a long-term strategy.

Grow up.

Support our manager.

Support the club's rich history and traditions.
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I enjoyed reading this in the performance thread and I enjoyed reading it here again. I’ll keep an eye to see where you’ll post it next to read it another time :lol:

Jokes aside, great post. People need to understand it’s a long term plan and so far we’ve showed progress under Ole
 
Mickson said:
That's a good record! But a record that doesn't make that much a difference in the end if you don't win your home games. people act like Ole is winning or has been even remotely close to winning the league. Ole's track record is that he's good in periods over a season, and he has never, not even this season, been good for a longer period of time. Win several games when he was caretaker. Then a poor end. Then good again. Then poor again. Then a dreadful start to the season. Then a good end to the season. Then a poor start again... and so on. Yes, Ole has been doing well for the last two games. But it's two games! It's not like it's two years ago he didn't manage to take a single point that was needed for the last two games for CL qualification. Or that he was totally under the bridge against West Ham in the first half. I mean, that was truly awful. What I think? Ole has built a good squad. Rashford has developed into a quality player. Bruno is a fantastic signing. We have the quality to do big things, and when we release them and when they get space - we can be very good. What I, and the players don't believe (according to Laurie Whitwell) is that Ole is a top coach. Which we obviously have seen evidence for time and time again. He can't set up a balance where we are good in attack and good in defense. It's almost always either. When we are good in defense and in the attack, it's almost always a counterattacking win against a big team. I'm thinking PSG away. Games like these. I can't remember a single league game where we have been very good at both ends this season. And Ole has been here for over two years! It's time for United to start dominating games and challenge for big trophies. I think that a really really good manager would challenge for the title with this squad. If you change Klopp and Ole, we could win the league. That's what I think's the difference. And that's why I don't think we can win it this year. That's why it's frustrating with Ole, because this season, this bizarre season, we could actually have a decent chance at claiming the title when everyone is dropping points. As the poster below me said, he isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a particularly good either. Do people really think that we can't hire a manager who would do a better job?
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Ok - let's make it easy. Name 3 available managers who you can guarantee would have picked up more than 27 points from the first 14 matches, with United having a much shorter pre-season than anyone else.
 
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