He is helping the owners more than united!
The “Ole In” Brigade
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He is helping the owners more than united!
I don't know what you think popularism is but this is more inventionism nonsense.
He didn't "let Lukaku leave" for example. Lukaku was angling for a move the entire summer and has claimed he basically wanted to leave the entire time he was here. He was also hated and constantly slagged off on here and one of THE main reasons people on here were so against Mourinho was literally for playing Lukaku. Now you are actually trying to turn that around completely again and use it as a stick to beat the next manager with. Another problem with this argument is that Rashford has significantly more goals this season than Lukaku did this time last year. Martial has 10 despite being injured for over 2 months. Greenwood has 8. It's not the forwards that are struggling to get goals.
Again, you would not have found a single person on here saying "selling Fellaini is a diabolical decision" until it became an argument to suit an agenda. He was worse than useless as a midfielder. If he was still here and getting picked you'd want Ole sacked for playing him.
Matic has been injured and actually played quite a lot when he's been fit, and again, Jose and even Ole get slagged off FOR playing him. He has hardly been alienated. McTominay has been prefered to him in some games due to performing better. You can't really claim we haven't replaced a player when a) they are still at the club and b) they have LITERALLY been replaced by someone in the first team.
He hasn't "gone to Jones" when Maguire needed a rest either. He picked Jones because he was one of only two fit centrebacks available for the game. The only other time he's played Jones in the last few months, it was in the same team as Maguire.
It's impossible to take whatever point you try to make seriously when literally everything you say is a deliberate lie.
If you're going to criticise at least base it on actual reality rather than made up childish nonsense.
Why do people come with that bullshit. Did Pep and Klopp not sign players straight away? Doesn't top managers attract players that fit their philosophy straight away?
What they do compared to inept ones(Ole) is actually improving on what they got between the process.
What's your solution, keep polishing the turd we have now to be absolutely sure we will be in a more dire state than we are now after 2 years?
How is backing Ole and singing him praises is actually going against the board, genuinely wondering?
Because it’s United, Ed and the Glazers - not oil money and what seem good owners for Klopp.
He’s said himself that he’s only looking at a couple of targets and he’s willing to wait if not.
with the midfield we have we can’t afford to wait, we need more players, we can’t prioritise one or two pie in the sky targets and come away with nobody.
How is that Liverpool owners are good now with Klopp yet bad ones under Dalglish for example?
I personally don’t give a shit how much they cost or what wages they are on. If they are good players and improve us we should go out and buy them, there’s loads of players out there that will improve this team. Recruitment is one of the most important factors for any team. Look at Liverpool prior van dyke or city prior ederson
Stupid opinion again @fergiesarmy1
Fergie took a side from 21st to 12th in a half season and in his first full to 2nd on 80+ points. He improved that orginal squad immensely with his coaching and management.
What the feck has Ole done to make us think he'll do a Fergie? It's amongst the most retarded things I've ever heard, Ole so far is doing the exact opposite of what SAF did in that first 1.5 years, he's making us miles miles worse. And that's not even taking into consideration that Fergie was a managerial mastermind before even joining United.
We were average 2nd half. Like a poster already mentioned we had 10 minutes where we looked decent then we went back to being distinctly average and losing the ball constantly. City themselves had more chances second half than we did and could've easily had a couple. They could afford to play in 3rd gear because the game was already done.
Will people stop comparing OGS woeful performances to SAF when he had so so performances for the first three years.
The game has simply moved on - end of. OGS is clueless, out of his depth, letting players go with insufficient replacements.
OGS is a strategic appointment to ensure that we are all brainwashed into the "plan". The plan is to re-calibrate the average fan that we need top be patient why we re-build with youth. Its utter bullcarp!
This is because Woody have fecked up the whole thing. He is the one consistent in this unfolding melodrama. Our finances are down the parasites still need their divi's or management fees.
Get fecking real.
The game has simply moved on - end of. OGS is clueless, out of his depth, letting players go with insufficient replacements.
OGS is a strategic appointment to ensure that we are all brainwashed into the "plan". The plan is to re-calibrate the average fan that we need top be patient why we re-build with youth. Its utter bullcarp!
This is because Woody have fecked up the whole thing. He is the one consistent in this unfolding melodrama. Our finances are down the parasites still need their divi's or management fees.
Get fecking real.
Certainly better than the glazers, investing in the squad, not taking money out every year for interest payments and dividends, investing in the stadium, looking to invest further into it also.
Think we may be repainting this year.
Are you actually defending the glazers?
Well managed? We were absolutely slaughtered and Pep will be fuming it wasn’t 0-5 or 0-6.
We got slaughtered by City, celebrating that we “won the 2nd half” when City basically took their foot off the gas and dropped to 1st gear is quite frankly embarrassing.
Wasn’t saying anything about Ole doing a Fergie, I was pointing out it is an easy option sacking the manager when the team is doing bad and the fans want him out, then give an example of one such chairman who said it would have been easier.
I put the lack of replacements squarely on Woodward and Matt Judge. After Ole is sacked the new manager will encounter similar issues and the cycle continues.
And Fergie was one of the best young managers in Europe, a CWC winner with Aberdeen and the last man to win the scottish league while not managing a member of the Old Firm.
Some here are going full pre-Klopp RAWK
Well he could come out and say he’s got a £200m kitty for January, that would not be a good idea for obvious reasons.
The difference in your example is that both Liverpool and City had world class managers at the time prior and after those players. We have a shite one.
On the contrary not recruitment but managing and coaching those players into a cohesive unit is the most important factor for any team. Just buying good players doesn't cut it.
Again what makes you think that those good players that would improve us will choose the inept manager apart from money, compared to going to say Spurs or Chelsea?
No one in his right mind will come here under him, unless he's driven by money and we overpay in both wages and fees.
I hope he accidentally steps on Pogba's cask, falls out with him like Jose did and Pogba turns into the fuken devil most of our fans think he is and manages to somehow force Ole out.
His winning percentage as permanent manager is 27%
For the love of god the argument was about owners and chairman take the easy option and I gave an example of a chairman we all know that said exactly the same not that Ole is another Fergie, some of you guys are unbearable at times yet call me a prick every day on here
Again you didn't answer my question - how are they bad when they were terrible under Dalglish, yet good under Klopp?
Same owners, different manager.
Everyone pays out dividends and interests.
The problem with the Glazers isn't the business side of how the club is run, but them having zero clue about the sport.
And no, but supporting Ole and his 'plan'- you certainly are.
Suggest you read up a bit on what the glazers are doing mate.
Well we shall just agree to disagree I’m not staying up all night debating with you. Maguire came, he’s not driven by money or a mercenary and he’s improved us and one of our best players. More signings like that will improve us. Goodnight
What about second halves?
Same as always mate, the same posters come on here whining every time we lose but they’ve no actually real-world suggestions for how to improve anything.
Other than “sack the manager” which we’ve done three times since 2014
Wow he’s great logic. We sacked a manager before & they didn’t work so let’s keep a shite one for life! Long live Ole.
Seriously how fcking stupid. Can’t wait til the Ole in lot also piss off along with Ole
I don’t think you’ve understood. What do you think my logic is?
One way to change this mess is to remove this complete Clown shoes manager and the rest of his ludicrous team of NOBODIES.
We'll still have a terrible squad but better coaching will make them less terrible at the very least.
We have the worst of both worlds now but some are reluctant to even one illness out of blind Topred faith
He's a sockpuppet.
A hired patsy. Personally I don't even think he knows this, I think he genuinely believes in this weird process (that only our club,one of the biggest ever) has to go through to find mildly better times. He is incapable of anything above moderate success at best. Moderate success. IE....a cup team and top 5.
I don't believe he's even capable of that. He's inept.
It's hilarious isn't it the level of foolishness spouted on here.
Chose the strategy most likely to win games, get in a manager who can coach it, a DOF and a budget to buy the players to play it, a youth team coach that can adopt it.
In other words do what City did.
Well I agree with that. I’ve agreed with that in just about every post I’ve made on this forum since I joined in 2015
Constantly changing the manager without all of the other stuff though is, in my opinion, actually worse than changing nothing because you end up with an absolute mess. I said that under LvG and Jose also.
I get the point, but why are you so angry. Also I think you'll find most United supporters loves Ole, that is why they love him because they are United-supporters. I don't think they will leave as fans of the club just because you want to sack the current manager.Thing is I think there are fair criticisms. I have no idea why Lingard would still be in the team...I don't dislike him but how long can you justify picking someone ahead of other players when they are offering so little? I think generally Ole doesn't do enough to establish standards in terms of being in the first team picture.
I don't understand why we'd press a team like City in their half, and do a piss poor job of it, with a weakened line up. We should have sat off more I think, or at least learn how to press as a unit before we try and do it against the most dangerous team in the country to get it wrong against.
Generally if you want to take even a really pessimistic view, the reasons to argue why are there...as they generally will be when we're not performing as well as people want...but we just get this made up crap all the time. After every game.
I mean it's like seeking career advice from someone and they tell you a bunch of stuff about yourself that you know isn't even true, and then use it to justify why they think you should quit your job...they might as well be dressed as a giant penis and have the words "don't listen to me" tattooed on their head and they'd have no less credibility at that point. We all watch the games, so there's no point making up bullshit to justify an argument...yet people do.
Love Ole the player.
Hate Ole the manager.
The 2 aren’t mutually exclusive
Anyone who can’t see that both things can be true & definitely are true is stupid
Yeah, of course. A lot of things are stupid, but not always relevant. For most people it is no problem to distinguish between judging a manager then judging the player. I find it harder to understand people who are distasteful or even abuse the manager and those with different opinions because they themselves can't distinguish between a respectable nice guy and a villain manager they have been trained to hate. We're not in this mess due to Ole, yet the anger towards him from some goes way beyond any regular critique of his management. It is like some people are looking for reasons to blame it all on one guy, when we know that 1. That isn't true. 2. It doesn't help.
I agree that Ole can't stay a boss forever if things continue, everyone agrees. We're still in a rebuild after SAF's winning team. We haven't done the rebuild properly and are struggling. The aim is to do that now. If we go up or down from here is totally dependant on the continuity and quality. It could go up, even with Ole and it might go another way.
In my eyes, we can actually afford to let Ole fail with a good squad. We can always change manager. What we can't afford is more useless managing of transfer, and Ed is in charge of it because he wont give up the power. If Ed fails again, hiring another manager is only temporary because at that point it is clear we're on a downward trajectory.
I mean we aren't on a good trajectory right now because of Ed in the first place, I know that. So I really don't trust him to do it right. But, for me this is the one last chance, and him giving his word he'll back Ole's plan. If I trust them both, and they both deliver, then even with Ole in charge it means a good job will be done for the longterm development and rebuild of the team. Something I'd be happy with, because as I said. It is easier to replace a manager when he is not taking over a big mess.
So for me it is frustrating people actually think the manager even matter much for our concerns. Short term for fixing this mess, I can live with Ole even if he doesn't get us to the top. If our transfer plans and everything is a hoax (which it sometimes seems to be) then Ed has to go for me. That's the bottom line.
For the love of god the argument was about owners and chairman take the easy option and I gave an example of a chairman we all know that said exactly the same not that Ole is another Fergie, some of you guys are unbearable at times yet call me a prick every day on here
Well you are unbearable all the time
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To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .
Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .
We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !
I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .
feck the Glazers they are total parasites
Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .
We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !
I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .
feck the Glazers they are total parasites