That Sensible Football Forum

[B Cantona]

It's good having a sprinkling of opposition supporters on here, the dickheads will fall by the wayside while the good uns will prosper. So goes the theory anyway

There's no need for an elite forum if the cunters who give rise to the need to call for an elite forum were simply scrapped for being crap. I've decided this infraction thing is a pile of nonsense

 

[Plechazunga]

I probably should have been more specific, I just feel debating Football on the internet with rival fans comes across as a bit fake and forced. I obviously like discussing things, im doing it right now for example, at 'kin 2am.

Talking 'objectively' with Liverpool fans on here just seems impossible to do when you have people like Davo, njred etc. who are, fairly understandbly, inflexible when it comes to their own team, just like many of our own posters, myself included at times. Discussion and debate only works if both side are open minded and willing to bend and conceed on certain points. Really intense rivalry is so partisan it's difficult to imagine enough people being genuinely objective and philosophical about it. Admittedly you seem one of the few people for whom that comes quite naturally on most subjects, and respect to you for that (I feel respect should have apostrophes around it!).

Most conversation in the sensible forum wouldn't be "who's better, us or them?" type stuff I don't think. Obviously it would turn into that at times, but I think the point is it would be more measured.

If you look at my posts when I first joined, around the same time as you, I was a lot more biased (though I did get slaughtered and repeatedly called a gooner early on for stating, correctly, that Arsenal were better than us for most of the 02/3 season). I posted a lot of calling people bindipping gobshites and posting rants about Chelsea. Since then, I've got bored with that, partly as a result of just getting a bit older I think, partly cos I don't go to games as much and so have lost the pleasure in irrational solidarity-based tubthumping a bit. Probably some of it is due to other things taking over from football in my life, maybe also a bit the effects of the Glazers and generally what PL football has become.I find I prefer actually having a conversation these days. Sometimes I feel different, especially after a few drinks... There's a place for both, hence the forums suggestion.

Take for example something Davo posted earlier. He called Dudek 'a useless cnut'. Obviously he's had this opinion a while, given Dudek has been shit for some time, but do you think Davo would have admitted this say, six months ago whilst he was still a Liverpool player? Of course not, because his instinct is to stick by his team and not lose face. If you can change that instinct in Football fans and football forums, then you'd have yourself the forum you are asking for. Otherwise I just dont see how it'll work.

Davo is Davo, he doesn't give any ground as a rule, it's part of his schtick... I reckon if he posts on the Liverpool forums he's probably a bit more critical, at the risk of being accused of back-scratching I think you have to acknowledge that on a rival board you will tend to defend your own... especially when 75% of the posters spend the whole time banging on and on at you with a tedious range of retarded rejoinders. My guess is that on an elite forum, he would be more interested in intelligent discussion than partisan posturing.

 

[Spammy]

Exactly, if opposition fans could spend less time on the defensive they could be a lot more open and honest regarding their/your team.

 

[peterstorey]

I probably should have been more specific, I just feel debating Football on the internet with rival fans comes across as a bit fake and forced.

I don't see that it's any more fake or forced than in "real" life. Yes, there's a loyalist position to be maintained but you can't survive if you can't argue the position. I came on originally (as my name might suggest) to kick a few people but you can't just be a wind-up/piss-take you have to give something back as well. Guys like Davo do and make the forum what it is - I'm sure there are enough bland forums saying Ferguson is God if that's what you want.

 

[Plechazunga]

Yeah, part of it's inevitably about poster reputation, what they're perceived as bringing to the party. To take the Davo example again, some days he's inevitably going to come in and just abuse/take the piss out of Mancs, but he offers enough to counterbalance that, and does it in a funny way.

You also fall into this category Van, in that some of the time you've got your "I'm fecking Man United and the world can feck off" head on, and will be liable to go off on a menstrual rant and call people Murderers... you're forgiven this because overall you're liked on the board.

Or take myself... for about a fortnight last season I basically went round calling the Chief a "spastic", repeatedly, in every thread he was posting in and some he wasn't*. That was probably a bit fecking tedious, but I offer enough generally that people turn a blind eye.

Whereas some cnut who never does anything except yell "Yeah but what are you doing on this forum anyway you fecking Scouse twat???!!??! "... isn't worth talking to and it would be nice to be able to discuss football without him. Gillespie falls into this camp, it's not just Mancs.




*In fairness, he was denying that Zidane was better than Titus Bramble

 

[peterstorey]

Whereas some cnut who never does anything except yell "Yeah but what are you doing on this forum anyway you fecking Scouse twat???!!??! "... isn't worth talking to and it would be nice to be able to discuss football without him. Gillespie falls into this camp, it's not just Mancs.

That's a bit unfair on Gillespie actually, who clearly knows his stuff and seems to me to have been a target for some mods who had lost a few arguments. The fact that he lost the plot over the noodling seemed to elicit a harsh sentence.

 

[Plechazunga]

He's a fecking idiot

 

[peterstorey]

Faaark orf you caaant

 

[Plechazunga]

I'll bang yer mam out

Gillespie posts endless essays, his tone is pompous and self-righteous, and he's so bitter about United it clouds his judgement 90% of the time

He's a bellend

 

[Bury Red]

Gillespie was a repeated WUM and couldn't take the abuse in the same way as he dished it out. He had more second chances than anyone on this forum due to his constant bleating to sympathetic mods to countermand those of us who found him to be a waste of space.

He was the butt of a minor wind up from Noodle and proceded to throw a monumental hissy fit in here at the end of which he dedclared he would never visit the site again. Just to ensure the precious one didn't let himself down yet again by failing to keep his word the mods gave him a helping hand.

His call though, we were only helping him.

 

[peterstorey]

Gillespie posts endless essays, his tone is pompous and self-righteous

I thought "My Observations" were classically pisstaking in tone mixed with some pretty good analysis. Mind you I was a fan of JoPub until he spontaneously imploded.

 

[Plechazunga]

I can't remember either "My Observations" or noodle's wind-up

I got on well with JoPub, I even wrote a Christmas play about him. He went out in a blaze of glory... good luck to him

 

[Bury Red]

I can't remember either "My Observations" or noodle's wind-up

I got on well with JoPub, I even wrote a Christmas play about him. He went out in a blaze of glory... good luck to him

The observations were basically Gill's occasional United reviews that highlighted all the reasons we were finished, they were usually followed by a United comeback and a Gillespie business trip.

His spat with Noodles was in the second week of the season when Gillespie contributed a typically unbiased "Febregas is the new messiah" type thread in the football forum which Noodle repeatedly edited so the Gill's masturbatory frenzy appeared to be about a pair of shiniy new shoes he had bought. The thread was shit, the wind up was average the explosion by Gillespie was fecking hysterical.

 

[Plechazunga]

hehehe... nice one noods

Can you remember the title?

 

[peterstorey]

The observations were basically Gill's occasional United reviews that highlighted all the reasons we were finished, they were usually followed by a United comeback and a Gillespie business trip.

His spat with Noodles was in the second week of the season when Gillespie contributed a typically unbiased "Febregas is the new messiah" type thread in the football forum which Noodle repeatedly edited so the Gill's masturbatory frenzy appeared to be about a pair of shiniy new shoes he had bought. The thread was shit, the wind up was average the explosion by Gillespie was fecking hysterical.

The obboes were pretty good if you ask me - you just didn't like them because they were accurate and non-complimentary. I think anybody would get a bit pissed off if their posts were amended - if you can't win the argument then cheat?

 

[Plechazunga]

They weren't accurate... he was always banging on about Rooney being past it, and United being shit

 

[Bury Red]

hehehe... nice one noods

Can you remember the title?

The shoes of football

and here's the ensuing strop

The obboes were pretty good if you ask me - you just didn't like them because they were accurate and non-complimentary. I think anybody would get a bit pissed off if their posts were amended - if you can't win the argument then cheat?

The observations were deliberate wind ups, that they were sprinkled with the occasional truth about one player or anothers current form did not change the supercilious tone or the intent to elicit a rabid response, which they usually achieved. There was no arguing with Gillespie, whenever things didn't go his way he ran off on a business trip and whenever he got as good as he gave he ran crying to the mods.

The editing by noodle was simply a funny distraction from Gill's usual attempts to rile people in the same way as when people used to post recipes or their lunch menu in his observation threads to derail them rather than giving them any credence. Gill was an insufferable prick who got up most peoples noses and couldn't take the stick he got back, good riddance.

 

[peterstorey]

The editing by noodle was simply a funny distraction from Gill's usual attempts to rile people in the same way as when people used to post recipes or their lunch menu in his observation threads to derail them rather than giving them any credence. Gill was an insufferable prick who got up most peoples noses and couldn't take the stick he got back, good riddance.

I thought the noodling (and the reaction) was a bit of a laugh. I thought the banning was over the top - yes he got up noses but that was the point I saw no evidence of not being able to take a fair shot back.

 

[Bury Red]

I thought the noodling (and the reaction) was a bit of a laugh. I thought the banning was over the top - yes he got up noses but that was the point I saw no evidence of not being able to take a fair shot back.

That would be because you couldn't see him for the dust when he got a fair shot back. The opposition supporters who stand their ground and are happy to accept the stick when they get it back are not a problem on here but the likes of Gill and Other Red who post supercilious tosh to get a response and then disappear when their opinions are proved to be complete toss are a waste of bandwidth.

A banning for his reaction alone would be unfair but he had been given more second chances than anyone on here and yet again came back calling the mods wankers and inadvertantly singling out the wrong ones. That one of the wankers chose to hold him to his word this time was funny but not unfair given the numer of reprieves that had gone before.

 

[Bearded but no genius]

What happens when people want an Elite MUFC forum or General?

If posters, particularly rival fans, dont like the response their threads get they shouldnt act like Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.

That or just ban those you think incapable of consensual back-scratching from the FF, I suppose.

There are some on this forum who love to show how 'neutral' and critically thinking and superior to others they are that they bend over backwards to applaud the opposition and criticise United and their fans.

They bitch and moan about the 'cretins' coming in and ruining threads that are serious discussion (usually 'my you're such a witty genius') in spite of the fact that they admit these brilliant opposition supporters who they love to rim are on the windup most of the time.

Why is the man who winds people up and most of the time posts garbage to get a reaction somehow so amazingly superior to posters who actually support their club and just happen to be a bit biased as United supporters?

Windups and cretinous behavior (or even RESPONSES to the windups) are ok for the 'Superior' posters, but not for anyone else, who is a "spastic" or a "cretin".

The 'sensible' Mancs are just as Van says, the ones who are more interested in back scratching their witty e-friends and showing how much they can be 'neutral' than they are in talking about the football or supporting their team at all.

There are plenty of solid and wonderful opposition supporters (Spammy is the exemplar of this) who aren't a part of the amazingly 'clever' clique that has developed on here over the last few years. Would they be left out because they aren't part of the Neutral Gimp Coalition?

This whole thing is a massive hypocritical joke and is the result of some posters getting uncomfortable with being criticised or having their amazingly sophisticated, brilliant, witty and 'neutral' views challenged by the plebian United supporting scum.

YAWN.

 

[Bearded but no genius]

That would be because you couldn't see him for the dust when he got a fair shot back. The opposition supporters who stand their ground and are happy to accept the stick when they get it back are not a problem on here but the likes of Gill and Other Red who post supercilious tosh to get a response and then disappear when their opinions are proved to be complete toss are a waste of bandwidth.

A banning for his reaction alone would be unfair but he had been given more second chances than anyone on here and yet again came back calling the mods wankers and inadvertantly singling out the wrong ones. That one of the wankers chose to hold him to his word this time was funny but not unfair given the numer of reprieves that had gone before.

The whole 'I'm never coming back' strop was quite amusing.

He was a massive waste of bandwidth who made a wumming tit out of himself a million times with no ability whatsoever to even try to defend his madness and go awol the second we won or Arsenal didn't get max points. LFC2IDIE was very similar, except he would actually go quite insane and stick around winding himself up for days on end.

After all he had done, to go on a rant about the evil mods and announce his departure really made the banning inevitable and extremely appropriate.

Good on Geebs.

 

[peterstorey]

There are some on this forum who love to show how 'neutral' and critically thinking and superior to others they are that they bend over backwards to applaud the opposition and criticise United and their fans.

They bitch and moan about the 'cretins' coming in and ruining threads that are serious discussion (usually 'my you're such a witty genius') in spite of the fact that they admit these brilliant opposition supporters who they love to rim are on the windup most of the time.

Why is the man who winds people up and most of the time posts garbage to get a reaction somehow so amazingly superior to posters who actually support their club and just happen to be a bit biased as United supporters?

Windups and cretinous behavior (or even RESPONSES to the windups) are ok for the 'Superior' posters, but not for anyone else, who is a "spastic" or a "cretin".

The 'sensible' Mancs are just as Van says, the ones who are more interested in back scratching their witty e-friends and showing how much they can be 'neutral' than they are in talking about the football or supporting their team at all.

There are plenty of solid and wonderful opposition supporters (Spammy is the exemplar of this) who aren't a part of the amazingly 'clever' clique that has developed on here over the last few years. Would they be left out because they aren't part of the Neutral Gimp Coalition?

This whole thing is a massive hypocritical joke and is the result of some posters getting uncomfortable with being criticised or having their amazingly sophisticated, brilliant, witty and 'neutral' views challenged by the plebian United supporting scum.

YAWN.

Rubbish post. You're barely qualified for this forum let alone an elite forum.

 

[peterstorey]

Good on Geebs.

Ah was that it? Blunderbollox couldn't win the argument so uses his mod status to help himself along?

 

[Bearded but no genius]

Rubbish post. You're barely qualified for this forum let alone an elite forum.

There you go. Point proven.

You don't even try to argue any points, just like many of the other Elite Posters™.

Just throw in a random insult or claim someone knows feck all, and you don't actually have to debate anything substantive ever.

 

[Bearded but no genius]

Ah was that it? Blunderbollox couldn't win the argument so uses his mod status to help himself along?

Umm, Blunder wasn't in an argument.

Gillespie started on a rant about Blunder in spite of the fact Blunder did nothing.

By banning Gillespie Blunder was merely insuring that Gill was a man of his honor after he had said he would never be returning.

The fact you're attacking Blunder and defending Gillespie immediately after having a go at me for not being 'qualified' for RedCafe illustrates exactly my point yet again.

Thanks for that.

 

[antohan]

The observations were basically Gill's occasional United reviews that highlighted all the reasons we were finished, they were usually followed by a United comeback and a Gillespie business trip.

That's true. I say bring him back, let him gloat, wait for our run of wins and then see all these "not sensible" posters disappear. Sorted.

 

[hycool]

Can a mod please close this topic, Davo is spamming again.

spoony?

 

[noodlehair]

His spat with Noodles was in the second week of the season when Gillespie contributed a typically unbiased "Febregas is the new messiah" type thread in the football forum which Noodle repeatedly edited so the Gill's masturbatory frenzy appeared to be about a pair of shiniy new shoes he had bought. The thread was shit, the wind up was average the explosion by Gillespie was fecking hysterical.

To be fair, the thread wasn't even about Fabregas, it was about that new bloke they'd signed, whose name I can't even remember

 

[Bury Red]

To be fair, the thread wasn't even about Fabregas, it was about that new bloke they'd signed, whose name I can't even remember

I had my doubts when I typed Fabregas, knew it was one of the youngsters but the fact that neither of us can remember who the feck it was shows just how prescient Gill's views were again. IIRC he had nice shiny shoes though

 

[Top]

There are some on this forum who love to show how 'neutral' and critically thinking and superior to others they are that they bend over backwards to applaud the opposition and criticise United and their fans.

They bitch and moan about the 'cretins' coming in and ruining threads that are serious discussion (usually 'my you're such a witty genius') in spite of the fact that they admit these brilliant opposition supporters who they love to rim are on the windup most of the time.

Why is the man who winds people up and most of the time posts garbage to get a reaction somehow so amazingly superior to posters who actually support their club and just happen to be a bit biased as United supporters?

Windups and cretinous behavior (or even RESPONSES to the windups) are ok for the 'Superior' posters, but not for anyone else, who is a "spastic" or a "cretin".

The 'sensible' Mancs are just as Van says, the ones who are more interested in back scratching their witty e-friends and showing how much they can be 'neutral' than they are in talking about the football or supporting their team at all.

There are plenty of solid and wonderful opposition supporters (Spammy is the exemplar of this) who aren't a part of the amazingly 'clever' clique that has developed on here over the last few years. Would they be left out because they aren't part of the Neutral Gimp Coalition?

This whole thing is a massive hypocritical joke and is the result of some posters getting uncomfortable with being criticised or having their amazingly sophisticated, brilliant, witty and 'neutral' views challenged by the plebian United supporting scum.

YAWN.

It's very rare that I agree with Jason seeing as he is a bit of a spastic. But I must say that he's spot on this time imo - that's exactly how I also see this whole elite forum-thing.

 

[Bilbo]

The last time a collection of ego's lost their grip on reality on here, Red Republik was born. That was a bunch of 'elite' posters jerking off over each other, and it was shite.

If the Mods on here are actually considering this, and thus proving that they learnt nothing from that episode, then you all probably deserve the backlash an 'elite' forum would create.

If you want to improve the quality of this place, then tighten up on who gets promoted, and ban people who WUM consistently. No warnings, just ban them. Its that simple.

 

[sincher]

There are some on this forum who love to show how 'neutral' and critically thinking and superior to others they are that they bend over backwards to applaud the opposition and criticise United and their fans.

They bitch and moan about the 'cretins' coming in and ruining threads that are serious discussion (usually 'my you're such a witty genius') in spite of the fact that they admit these brilliant opposition supporters who they love to rim are on the windup most of the time.

Why is the man who winds people up and most of the time posts garbage to get a reaction somehow so amazingly superior to posters who actually support their club and just happen to be a bit biased as United supporters?

Windups and cretinous behavior (or even RESPONSES to the windups) are ok for the 'Superior' posters, but not for anyone else, who is a "spastic" or a "cretin".

The 'sensible' Mancs are just as Van says, the ones who are more interested in back scratching their witty e-friends and showing how much they can be 'neutral' than they are in talking about the football or supporting their team at all.

There are plenty of solid and wonderful opposition supporters (Spammy is the exemplar of this) who aren't a part of the amazingly 'clever' clique that has developed on here over the last few years. Would they be left out because they aren't part of the Neutral Gimp Coalition?

This whole thing is a massive hypocritical joke and is the result of some posters getting uncomfortable with being criticised or having their amazingly sophisticated, brilliant, witty and 'neutral' views challenged by the plebian United supporting scum.

YAWN.

This post highlights perfectly the point that noone will agree on who is sensible.

For example, some people seem to think you have to maintain perspective at all times, and never over-react when your team loses or plays badly or both... naming no names.

Others seem to think it's fine to do that, but not fine to make outlandish statements about your own team's capabilities or chances, and always to be rational when talking about opposition teams... also naming no names.

Fans get emotionally involved in football - they milk victories to a ludicrous degree, and wallow in defeats to an equally ludicrous degree. Both are legitimate reactions, but both can also be mocked or shouted down if they are ludicrous - preferably without getting personal about it.

But there are some threads that aren't like that - they are 'sit back' threads that try to analyse some points of the game. And, without being totally unfair, there are a lot of genuine fans who might be wonderful people, but who really can't contribute to those kinds of threads. Identifying them, though? Apart from a few obvious ones, no way I'd like to try.

 

[noodlehair]

The last time a collection of ego's lost their grip on reality on here, Red Republik was born. That was a bunch of 'elite' posters jerking off over each other, and it was shite.

If the Mods on here are actually considering this, and thus proving that they learnt nothing from that episode, then you all probably deserve the backlash an 'elite' forum would create.

If you want to improve the quality of this place, then tighten up on who gets promoted, and ban people who WUM consistently. No warnings, just ban them. Its that simple.

It'd be a forum for sensible football discussion, not an "elitist forum" for the purpose of collective arse kissing among established posters. You have hit the problem on the head though. It'd be nigh on impossible for it not to be viewed in that way, and to some degree that's probably what it'd end up becoming.

It'd cause bickering like hasn't previously been known, no doubt. It'd be hassle enough deciding who gets to decide who gets let in, let alone actually deciding who gets in.

I still like it as an idea though, personally.

If the elitist bit is the issue here, then it could just be a sensible football forum. Everyone gets access, and then people are turfed out as and when they prove incapable of contributing. It's all well and good saying "just clean up the Football Forum then" but there's a place for some of the banter, bickering and spasticity you get in there, and there's a place for sensible debate. The dissagreeing in this thread highlights that.

In anycase, it's not something that's just going to happen anytime soon. For a start, the bossman would have to make the call, and I think he was against the idea

 

[redmanc]

Demote all the retards and WUMS to the newbies, problem solved!

A lot of the non united regulars on here actually make the threads more interesting, so they're ok by me, its just the typical muppets you want to be getting rid of rather than setting up a new forum.

I mean cmon, chief reckons Henry is overrated...

 

[Bilbo]

It'd be a forum for sensible football discussion, not an "elitist forum" for the purpose of collective arse kissing among established posters. You have hit the problem on the head though. It'd be nigh on impossible for it not to be viewed in that way, and to some degree that's probably what it'd end up becoming.

It'd cause bickering like hasn't previously been known, no doubt. It'd be hassle enough deciding who gets to decide who gets let in, let alone actually deciding who gets in.

I still like it as an idea though, personally.

If the elitist bit is the issue here, then it could just be a sensible football forum. Everyone gets access, and then people are turfed out as and when they prove incapable of contributing. It's all well and good saying "just clean up the Football Forum then" but there's a place for some of the banter, bickering and spasticity you get in there, and there's a place for sensible debate. The dissagreeing in this thread highlights that.

In anycase, it's not something that's just going to happen anytime soon. For a start, the bossman would have to make the call, and I think he was against the idea

One thought I had was: Why not create a sub-forum to the football forum then? Kind of like a general forum for football topics. If threads go off the chart, and turn into slagfests, move them there.

Not sure that would work really. In fact I don't think the problem is solvable. Just keep locking shit threads, and banning shit posters. In a few months people who want to WUM would get the message, and the overall quality should improve.

 

[Salvation]

Davo is Davo, he doesn't give any ground as a rule, it's part of his schtick... I reckon if he posts on the Liverpool forums he's probably a bit more critical, at the risk of being accused of back-scratching I think you have to acknowledge that on a rival board you will tend to defend your own... especially when 75% of the posters spend the whole time banging on and on at you with a tedious range of retarded rejoinders.

Dunno how that should have a bearing on the running in here

Anyways, I *** find Davo or any of the other slated lot, like DJS annoying. There are a fair amount of annoying debates in the forum, but it doesn't really drive me insane. Maybe it's just me not taking things as seriously as you

Come to think of it, you do need your exiles from time to time. Bet you think of what I've posted in here while boning your bird a la Munich (the movie)

 

[Davo]

So who should be the judges of who gets to be a part of the elite-forum?
Some of you who wants this elite-forum automatically assume that you are self-written as part of the elite.
But that's not always the case, and Plech you said so yourself a while back that your reputation regarding football knowledge is no longer that good, so why should you be picked ahead of someone else if we go by reputation?

Re selection, either start small and let the senior posters pick an initial population or let everyone in, and just kick out the bellends as has been mentioned. It may be the case that the muppets don't post in such a forum if they realise daft responses aren't going to be tolerated.

Pletch's reputation re football is criticised because he doesn't tow the party line of not agreeing that everything Man Utd related is great, this has been referred to as being "back slapping" and "overly neutral" in this thread. The idea that it could actually be an objective viewpoint isn't one that's favoured

What happens when people want an Elite MUFC forum or General?

You've effectively got an "elite" general in the shape of the current events forum, which works fine. You're never going to get the same issues in the manc forum, as arguments are only going to spill out as to who's the best fan

Take for example something Davo posted earlier. He called Dudek 'a useless cnut'. Obviously he's had this opinion a while, given Dudek has been shit for some time, but do you think Davo would have admitted this say, six months ago whilst he was still a Liverpool player? Of course not, because his instinct is to stick by his team and not lose face.

Rubbish example given that I've viewed Dudek as pointless since the Arsenal games, but yes..I obviously lean towards my lot. A sensible type forum wouldn't have the same level of us vs them, given the spazzy posts wouldn't be allowed

Just throw in a random insult or claim someone knows feck all, and you don't actually have to debate anything substantive ever.

That wouldn't happen in the proposed forum, a clear step forward. You're as bad as anyone at the moment re posting rubbish in the football forum

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If the elitist bit is the issue here, then it could just be a sensible football forum. Everyone gets access, and then people are turfed out as and when they prove incapable of contributing. It's all well and good saying "just clean up the Football Forum then" but there's a place for some of the banter, bickering and spasticity you get in there, and there's a place for sensible debate. The dissagreeing in this thread highlights that.

Exactly. I'm glad you exist Noodle

At the end of the day, we've currently got a football site without a forum which allows for decent debate...yet we've got one for current events. No one seems to know what the score is with the football forum at the moment, including those who are supposed to be modding/cleaning it up....which is the point. You can't go too far or you'll lose the banter element and the traffic, and if you do feck all you're left with the nobends who derail any half decent thread with their ignorance and/or general spasticity.

All the admins who've expressed a view seem to be in support, as do the senior posters. What's the harm in giving it a go? If it doesn't work it can be canned...

 

[Spoony]

I have to say Davo, you never criticise Liverpool.

 

[Davo]

I probably don't start off on the attack, given that I'm normally responding to OTT attacks from other posters - so naturally I take a largely opposite rule.

I'm not beyond being critical when I think it's required mind....e.g. the attempt to sign feckin Heinze

 

[WeasteDevil]

Do you want to start a new forum then? RNSA?