That post match interview with our manager

I’m just curious, how many think Jose is still the right man to lead the club forward?

  • Yes he is, he’s a serial winner

    Votes: 36 27.7%

  • No, his methods are not the right fit for United

    Votes: 62 47.7%

  • I’m on the fence, I need another year to decide

    Votes: 32 24.6%
  • Total voters
    130
  • Poll closed .
But...he's right. Our squad is full of average players, and players who are apparently top class but blow hot and cold, can't be relied on at all.

Why protect a team that doesn't show nearly enough fight or team spirit? But when it suits them, will turn up. It's infuriating as supporters trying to make sense of it, god knows how the staff think.
 
simplyared said:
Just listened to the interview on sky sports and I cannot believe what Mourinho said regarding his own players.

You cannot go out in public and slag your players off like that. He just used his own players to give himself some slack and prove to everyone how right he is.

Then at the end he says we should be more than satisfied if we finish second. The only thing that was lacking in that comment was ” with these shit players I’ve got to work with”

Thought he’d gone too far in an earlier interview when he was in need of boosting his ego, mentioning previous defeats he had inflicted on the club, when he was manager elsewhere..

Certainly no one out there can justify a manager for Manchester Utd, representing our club, going out in the media with those comments? Views on this please!
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It's disgusting, he is so obsessed with trying to prove the journos wrong he is happy to put our players in the firing line. Horrible man, the anti Fergie.
Let's get this narcissist out of our club, he doesn't care about Manchester United, we are just a vehicle for his trophy hunt at this stage(and not the big ones).
I hate to say this btw but I can't believe the way he talks about the players to the media.
 
Frank Grimes said:
It's disgusting, he is so obsessed with trying to prove the journos wrong he is happy to put our players in the firing line. Horrible man, the anti Fergie.
Let's get this narcissist out of our club, he doesn't care about Manchester United, we are just a vehicle for his trophy hunt at this stage(and not the big ones).
I hate to say this btw but I can't believe the way he talks about the players to the media.
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Poor you. He's using you to win trophies, and he only wants to win the small ones. And he's a meanie too.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Yeah he needs to sell them now like he did with Salah and KDB. There's no way they're ever going to amount to anything just Look where Salah and KDB are now he was obviously right with them. Oh wait.
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That's right, everyone at the time could tell that DeBruyne and Salah were going to be world class and tear up the 17/18 league season. NOT. That's a lazy bullshit statement you made right there. Not one fecking person in the world gave a shit about those two players being sold by Chelsea and by all accounts it was there choice to leave. What must we think of SAF in getting rid of Pique and Ronaldo or even league winners Drinkwater and Simpson. How many players have the best managers sold or allowed to leave who have went on to be successful with another club. I bet most if not all of them. Mourinho has a lot of flaws in the game but transfer business at Chelsea is not one of them.
 
I couldn't care less whether it's the manager's fault or the player's fault. What it comes down to is this:

If you criticise the manager, the players will feel like they don't have to work hard. This is an inimical attitude.
If you criticise the players, they will feel worried and start to work harder. This is a beneficial attitude.

If Mourinho is subtle and Machiavellian and turning us on the players in order to deflect blame from himself, it doesn't matter. It helps the club long-term.

We should be with the manager right up to the time when we aren't. This way the players always look at themselves first. Anything else seems senseless.
 
:lol: Pointless thread because the views here will be divided. Some will agree with him that the players have been turning in abject performances way too many times and do not deserve to wear the badge. Others will vilify him needlessly for his no-nonsense nature and lack of tolerance for weak-minded individuals. He has always been one to divide opinion, afforded a healthy dose of skepticism even for the most prosaic of statements. This has made his detractors almost religious in their condemnation of him.

Am I doing this right? I'm not sure I quite hit the 'neutral comment filled with thinly-veiled digs demonstrating my own allegiance and contempt' sweet spot.
 
Frank Grimes said:
It's disgusting, he is so obsessed with trying to prove the journos wrong he is happy to put our players in the firing line. Horrible man, the anti Fergie.
Let's get this narcissist out of our club, he doesn't care about Manchester United, we are just a vehicle for his trophy hunt at this stage(and not the big ones).
I hate to say this btw but I can't believe the way he talks about the players to the media.
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He will win feck major all. Pool are in CL final and City broke most of the records in PL. Klopp is laughed at because of his yellow teeth, while City are cursed here for having owners from UAE. In the meantime, we still do not know what our best 11 is, what formation should we play, while it is everyone's bar JM's fault for fecking up in the league for 2 years in a row. Fecking Sevilla is also not his fault. The further he is at helm the less optimistic I am about our chances to win something big.
 
RedMilo said:
You can get players you dont want out of the club, without a public hanging. The team morale including the players he does want to stay must be thinking what the feck is he going to do next. He is a loose cannon, always has been, and he is no good for mufc in my honest opinion. He has spent several hundred million pounds trying to shape his team and he still cant accept his ways are at least in part to blame for poor performances like that. Some people on this forum are comparing if they do a shit job in there everyday job, then they deserve to be criticised which is fair enough but the key difference is that in their everyday job, they are not set up to fail, like Darmain, Fellaini, Martial & Rahsford were yesterday. They have hardly played for ages and then he uses it as a opportunity to try and get the moral highground on playing Lukaku all the time, the guy is a first class ********. I have bought season tickets for next year, so will support the team regardless but Id rather have someone else in charge. Sorry for my language...
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Poor performances like that happens every damn season no matter who manages us. Look at the table, we're literally having one of the best every season in terms of points. Remove City's outlier performance and everybody would be hailing Jose for what he has done and tolerate the football that's being played.

Would anyone honestly say that Jose has done a bad job if he won the league?
 
He is saying what we all have said in match day thread.
 
elmo said:
Poor performances like that happens every damn season no matter who manages us. Look at the table, we're literally having one of the best every season in terms of points. Remove City's outlier performance and everybody would be hailing Jose for what he has done and tolerate the football that's being played.

Would anyone honestly say that Jose has done a bad job if he won the league?
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If and buts do not work in reality. The fact is that we were out of title race before New Year for 2 seasons in a row and got knocked out of CL by first decent team we faced. We have 6-7 defeats which are the indicators of being second team in the league which we are. We are also potentially 19 points behind City. If there was no SAF, Wenger would have won more, if there was no Barca, Utd would have probably won a couple of more CLs, however, the reality is that City are here to stay as is Klopp with Pool playing in CL final. By the way, if you do believe that we should have won the prem, I am ready to bet that we won't win it next season even after spending more this summer. The loser of the bet fecks off from the Caf.
 
simplyared said:
Just listened to the interview on sky sports and I cannot believe what Mourinho said regarding his own players.

You cannot go out in public and slag your players off like that. He just used his own players to give himself some slack and prove to everyone how right he is.

Then at the end he says we should be more than satisfied if we finish second. The only thing that was lacking in that comment was ” with these shit players I’ve got to work with”

Thought he’d gone too far in an earlier interview when he was in need of boosting his ego, mentioning previous defeats he had inflicted on the club, when he was manager elsewhere..

Certainly no one out there can justify a manager for Manchester Utd, representing our club, going out in the media with those comments? Views on this please!
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I agree with this. Its almost as if he sent them out to fail so he can say "I told you so" to every fan who had suggested to rotate Lukaku with our other striking options.

Again I think of how he was portrayed in the media when he first came to England. How people let him off for his outlandish comments and behaviour because "he was deflecting from his team and protecting his players". But here he's the first one to stick the knife in to try and make himself look better.
 
Lose against Westbrom with the his own starting 11, he blames the players attitude.
Lose against Fecking Brighton with some squad players, he blames the quality of those players and compare it to the quality of the players who lost against West Brom.

We're never going to see him admit he was wrong with the tactics not even once.
I cant say how much i'm disappointed in the board for giving him a new contract.

The stupid board missed the chance to get Pep to sign this manager.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's one thing criticizing and another thing basically absolving himself of any responsibility for the loss. Saying shit like Now you see why these ones are always on the bench and Lukaku is always playing... a load of shit, considering we've had the same performance with or without these players and with our best 11 too. It's just Mourinho the one who avoids any blame for any defeat even though it's on him for failing to get them playing any sort of decent football.
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But he's been criticised by our fans and the media for never dropping Rom and not playing Rashford and Martial, so his response makes sense. Still goes a little too far but you can see why he said what he said.
 
M Bison said:
But he's been criticised by our fans and the media for never dropping Rom and not playing Rashford and Martial, so his response makes sense. Still goes a little too far but you can see why he said what he said.
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It is really hard to make sense a manager like Jose would care too much about the media. If true that he did it because of that, we will have a massive problem on our hand which is himself.
 
The man seeks attention and publicity and thrives on being in the limelight. It's all well planned by the man himself. So when he kicks off his career with utd he goes out in public and oozes praise over Fellaini. Nobody expected that of course. He wants to market himself as the nice guy. Can anyone tell me the point of bringing on McTominay off the bench against Brighton. Certainly not what we wanted at that point in the game. A totally pointless substitution. He did it to make a statement backing himself up for what he said earlier about the player. There are multiple examples of him acting inconsistently, making statements in the media. He does it for himself not for the club. Just like he threw Rashford and Martial into the team together. He did it to prove a point: Not for the team or the good of Man utd. Problem this time is he overstepped his mark in the post match interview where he almost admitted what the real intention was with his team section. Are people so naive that they believe his methods should act as a motivation to his players, when in actual fact they have an adverse effect!
 
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Why is everyone moaning,the players were fecking woeful against Brighton and a few of them have been quite often this season.
 
As much as part of me wants to criticize him for laying on the players like that, I say "feck them" because honestly they're too coddled anyway. I 100% agree with him on this. They're letting him down badly
 
Just watched it; enjoyed him telling the media they should be disappointed after asking why some players aren't starting.
 
Joseunited said:
Why is everyone moaning,the players were fecking woeful against Brighton and a few of them have been quite often this season.
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Think you answered your own question there.

This is Utd , we should have high expectations given our size,history and tradition. Instead we have on several occasions played like mid table side whose only ambition is Premiership survival. Fans have a right to moan and criticise.You don't have to agree with all sentiments
 
I think the issue and where it gets all muddied is that we don't know what they're doing behind closed doors. On the pitch it doesn't seem evident that we are drilled in a way that best suits the attacking players that we have. It's been said countless times that certain players would probably fail here, like Salah. So it's hard to distinguish which players are good enough, but just aren't the right fit for the "style" of of football we play, and which players are just not good enough or lack proper commitment. So it's either stick by the manager and hope his experience is enough to win us titles by weeding out the players that he deems not good enough, and it may be the case they aren't good enough, or we stick by the players that maybe are good enough just not under Mourinho. It's a tough choice, but something needs to change.
 
To all you guys who are saying our players are shit and they are divas and should be sold etc. So you want to get rid of Rashford, Martial, Pogba to name just a few. If Chelsea had followed that sort of advice Hazard and Fabregas would not be playing at the club and they wouldn't have won tha PL.
 
Too often managers come out and give excuses as to why they performed poorly or lost. "The referee did this or that", "the wind was strong", "the pitch was too wet/dry".

I think hes right to criticise, evidently he had taken them in at half time and tried to change things - his reactions just prior to half time showed he was far from happy - and still they came out with a lacklustre 2nd half.
 
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kouroux said:
As much as part of me wants to criticize him for laying on the players like that, I say "feck them" because honestly they're too coddled anyway. I 100% agree with him on this. They're letting him down badly
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This. Some of the players can barely trap the ball half the time.
 
simplyared said:
Just listened to the interview on sky sports and I cannot believe what Mourinho said regarding his own players.

You cannot go out in public and slag your players off like that. He just used his own players to give himself some slack and prove to everyone how right he is.

Then at the end he says we should be more than satisfied if we finish second. The only thing that was lacking in that comment was ” with these shit players I’ve got to work with”

Thought he’d gone too far in an earlier interview when he was in need of boosting his ego, mentioning previous defeats he had inflicted on the club, when he was manager elsewhere..

Certainly no one out there can justify a manager for Manchester Utd, representing our club, going out in the media with those comments? Views on this please!
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He is right, we have many terrible players who no one knows how they managed to be here
 
Jose is absolutely spot on.

Some of you need to stop hugging and protecting our crybaby players otherwise they will become harry kane.

Remember that, besides being a sport, football is a job, like politics. When you go into it, you accept that you ll become a public person.

Well hello, if you re hired in a public and media based job like football, expect to be criticised by your boss in that environment if you absolutely suck at your job.

Also, some players can not be arsed in some games so Jose is giving them the tough love treatment. He hopes they ll be ashamed publicly and raise their level ; with some it works, with some it doesn t.

What you need to understand is that every job has people that work hard and people that are lazy fekers. Have you seen him criticising Lukaku, or Alexis for their attitude? No, because even if they have an off game, they still run their buts off and try to do their job.

So, imo, he can do whatever he likes in press conferences, even if it s not elegant. It s time people at this club see the coach as a Fergie figure and they don t contest anything he says and work their ass off.

Hopefully it works and some of the lazy ones fekoff to China.
 
Mourinho has an authority as the manager to hold players responsible for their faults./
But what he also has, is a responsibility to shoulder those criticisms, especially when we play football it seems we aren't being coached at all. He isn't doing that, instead he blames players, abuses Legends, and literally doesn't contribute anything.

If it wasn't for De Gea, we'd be in a very difficult position right now, probably even outside top 4.
 
kouroux said:
As much as part of me wants to criticize him for laying on the players like that, I say "feck them" because honestly they're too coddled anyway. I 100% agree with him on this. They're letting him down badly
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Agreed. They were a disgrace on Friday night, considering they're all playing for a spot in the FA cup final in a World Cup year, they should be ashamed.

How dare our manager make people accountable for their lack of effort and shit performances. Some of our 'fans' on this forum are an absolute joke, I'm embarrassed for them.

You could drive a bus through the gulf in quality between our first 11 and second string.
 
King.of.Red said:
I agree with Jose.
our players except De Gea need to do better.
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Luckily de Gea doesn't largely have to deal with Mou's tactics affecting his performance. Then again, everyone comments on how bad de Gea's distribution is now a days, even though when we signed him he had a reputation for being good with his feet. Oh and he seems to have no problem with his distribution when he LVG was here or when he's on international duty with Spain.
 
Quite a few seem fine with performances like friday night from players who can't be arsed or are not good enough. Because it's all on Mourinho, right?

Darmian, Shaw, Martial, Mata, Fellaini, Rash (deserved a slapping) Four of those should leave tbh.

I'm not in the Mou "camp" btw.
 
In Rainbows said:
Luckily de Gea doesn't largely have to deal with Mou's tactics affecting his performance. Then again, everyone comments on how bad de Gea's distribution is now a days, even though when we signed him he had a reputation for being good with his feet. Oh and he seems to have no problem with his distribution when he LVG was here or when he's on international duty with Spain.
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Speaking sense here. Definitely resolve the players of all responsibility.
 
Red Katie said:
Quite a few seem fine with performances like friday night from players who can't be arsed or are not good enough. Because it's all on Mourinho, right?

Darmian, Shaw, Martial, Mata, Fellaini, Rash (deserved a slapping) Four of those should leave tbh.

I'm not in the Mou "camp" btw.
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A lot of people's problem is based on him being a coddled millionaire. He can never take blame and he's a hypocrite. His player Sanchez was allowed to give crap performance after crap performance and we did not hear a word on how crap he was from Mou. Lukaku at the beginning of the season did not get dropped, nor did he get criticized by Mou when he was putting up a run of 11 stinkers in a row. 2 of which he contributed to two own goals.

It's fine if he wants to criticize players, but do it consistently throughout the squad. Otherwise he has no point and is just playing favorites.

For those of you who like to point out how players were crap under different regimes, how does that apply to Rashford and Martial? Does that not apply to Ashley Young and Fellaini? Why the inconsistency?

Red Katie said:
Speaking sense here. Definitely resolve the players of all responsibility.
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I probably wouldn't if I didn't think Mou's tactics had United playing good football. And I probably wouldn't if Mou actually put blame on himself once in a while. And I probably wouldn't if Mou was not playing favorites.
 
Interestingly enough, I was watching a documentary on the rivalry of Sir Alex and Arsene Wenger ans it was pointed out how SAF blamed everyone but his players in defeat in order to draw the attention away from them. Criticize them privately, not publicly. You can quite easily lose the trust of your players if you throw them under the bus in public. That’s one reason for Mourinho not being able to remain at a club for an extended period of time.
 
Mou isn't completely right. Just a short while ago United lost to West Brom with different players starting. Adding to this, it's better to keep these things within the dressing room instead of criticizing them in public.
 
LordSpud said:
Too often managers come out and give excuses as to why they performed poorly or lost. "The referee did this or that", "the wind was strong", "the pitch was too wet/dry".

I think hes right to criticise, evidently he had taken them in at half time and tried to change things - his reactions just prior to half time showed he was far from happy - and still they came out with a lacklustre 2nd half.
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Actually Chelsea fanbase was also split and had pro-Jose factions wanting to sell Hazard and Costa for not fighting for the team. Didn't follow Madrid off the pitch but the Mourinhistas v Madridstas phase sounds a similar episode. What's happening with us now, it's the same movie that's played at his previous two clubs.
 
Ooooh the players named Fellaini and Matic as our centremid 2. Only a fecking donkey would do that. Dave Sexton played extremely entertaining football with his team compared to this selfobsessed twat
 
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