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Who will win the 3 match test series?

  • Interval to win 2-0

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  • Interval to win 3-0

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  • Anant/RD to win 2-0

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  • Anant/RD to win 3-0

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Welcome to the second match of the test draft!

  • Judge the players on their peaks excluding any 6-12 month purple patch.
  • Vote for the team you think will win a 3 match test series between these 2 sides based on the given nature of pitches.
  1. 1st test: Good batting pitch.
  2. 2nd test: Slow wicket which gets worse as the game goes on and will assist spinners heavily.
  3. 3rd test: Green top. Assists pace, seam and swing bowling.
 
Team Anant/RD:

Test 1 and Test 2:
Dennis Amiss
David Warner
Richie Richardson
Sachin Tendulkar
Michael Clarke (C)
Ian Botham
Rodney Marsh (WK)
Shaun Pollock
Harbhajan Singh
Rangana Herath
Danish Kaneria

Test 3:
Dennis Amiss
David Warner
Richie Richarson
Sachin Tendulkar
Michael Clarke (C)
Ian Botham
Rodney Marsh (WK)
Shaun Pollock
Harbhajan Singh
Rangana Herath
Matthew Hoggard


Dennis Amiss:
In Dennis Amiss, we have one of the finest openers who lacked neither courage nor technique. A fine 262 vs a fearsome WI highlighted just how good he was versus pace. In just 88 innings, he scored 11 100's and 11 50's- a conversion rate to these milestones higher than any opener eligible in the draft. Of Amiss's 11 Test hundreds, eight exceeded 150, a higher proportion even than that of Don Bradman. Among all the eligible openers, Amiss holds the highest average as an opener at 53.70.

Two great innings against West Indies, 262 not out to save the 1973-74 Kingston Test and 203 at The Oval in 1976, supplied ample evidence that Dennis Amiss lacked neither courage nor technique against fast bowling. In that Oval match Michael Holding took 14 wickets in an attack completed by Andy Roberts, Wayne Daniel and Van Holder. Strongly built, tireless and four-square at the crease, Amiss was harder to get out, once he had 40 on the board, than any batsman of his generation, including Geoff Boycott.

David Warner:
Who holds the 2nd highest as an opener, you ask? David Warner! A batsman who is a leech and sticks to the crease and tough to get out. A player who has scored a century in every 17% of his innings(highest among all openers eligible), highlights that he isn't just boom boom but has the controlled aggression in tests very few batsmen possess. In just his 2nd test, he carried his bat a feat that not even the legendary Justin Langer or Mathew Hayden could reach. His unbeaten 123 in Hobart could not prevent a historic New Zealand win, but his patience in challenging conditions showed a different side to his batsmanship.With an opening average of 51 and 16 hundreds to his name in just 51 matches, he is one of the most prolific batsman in any format of the game.

Richie Richardson:
At 1 down, we have a master player of fast bowling, a player who made no. 3 position his own. An average of more than 47 at no.3 position in a rapidly declining Windies side was an achievement that can't be matched by many others. An impressive 16 centuries and 27 fifties in just 146 innings highlighted his ability as a batsman.

He was a destructively brilliant batsman, particularly on hard pitches where he could throw the bat through the line with abandon, carving the ball square. He hooked willingly too, usually up, frequently for six. His 69 grafted out over four hours on a vile pitch at Edgbaston in 1995 was a masterly exhibition of bad-wicket play. He reserved his finest innings for the Australians: only Sachin Tendulkar and Jack Hobbs have bettered his nine centuries against them. The finest was at Georgetown in March 1991, when he blasted 182, including 106 in the final session of the first day.


Sachin Tendulkar:
At no. 4 we have GOD, not De Gea, but Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar. He, in my opinion, is the Michael Jordan of the cricketing world. He did the simple things right - his basics were so sound that he could do take on every bowler on any pitch in any condition anywhere in the world. Perhaps the most complete batsman and the most worshipped cricketer in the world, Tendulkar holds just about every batting record worth owning in the game. The cricketer with most matches, most 100s, 50s, most runs. Fastest to 10000 runs, and only player to reach 14000 and 15000 runs. Hell, He has scored more runs from no. 4 position than any other player has scored in their career. A fantastic straight drive:drool:, a fantastic player against Aussies, a player who haunted Warne in his dreams:D. How can anyone not like a 16 year old kid facing the Paki bowling attack! The kid who at 17 years scored a magnificent century versus Englishbut couldn't get the Champagne along with his MOTM award because he was too young to drink. The 194* vs Pakistan , the 241* vs Aussies at SCG, batting in a blood soaked Shirt vs Waqar in his debut series. The century vs SA in 2011 to secure a draw, the partnership with Yuvraj to set India to a chase of 387 vs England. I can go on and on as this has unleashed my muppet mode. From his backfoot punch to reverse sweeps, there was no weakness to his game. Also- He is a Man Utd Fan:smirk:.

Michael Clarke:
If there was a player, who can be called made for no.5, it will be Michael Clarke. 2nd highest average at this position at 60.81 with 110 innings at no. 5, Clarke was instrumental behind Aussies' dominance in Test cricket. 28 centuries, 27 50s, Clarke has one of the highest conversion rates to 50s or 100s in the world, and highest among players with over 100 tests to their name.
In Captain Courageous, we have one of the most successful captains in the draft, the 7th most to be exact in terms of % of matches won. He will lead this side because he was instrumental and captained the Austrailian side back to the #1 test ranking after he took over in 2011. Mostly he became known for his immaculate driving and slicing of the ball through impossible angles. His peak year was 2012, which brought 1595 runs at 106.33 and stamped him as the most in-form batsman in the world. The year began with a monumental 329 not out against India at the SCG and continued with 210 in Adelaide, where he joined Wally Hammond and Don Bradman as the only men to score a triple-century and a double-hundred in the same series. Later in the year came back-to-back double-centuries against South Africa in Brisbane and Adelaide.

On 22 November 2012, Clarke scored a double century at the Adelaide Oval, making him the only Test batsman to ever achieve four double centuries in a calendar year. His tally of 1595 Test runs in 2012 is the most for an Australian in a calendar year. He went past Ricky Ponting’s record of 1544 runs. He won the Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy, thereby winning the ICC Cricketer of the Year award 2013. He also won the Allan Border medal for the year 2005, 2009, 2012 and 2013.

Ian Botham:
After Clarke, our batting is still not done with one of the finest all-rounders of all time coming into bat. He scored 14 hundreds during his time and picked up 383 wickets. He is still date, England's best all-rounder. Ian Botham was the fastest to the double of 1000 runs and 100 wickets. An English icon, full of endless self-belief, he could change the course of a game in an afternoon. With him, England were a side to reckon with; without him they were abysmal. The most famous few weeks in English cricket history came when Botham led England to an astonishing Ashes victory with three performances - two with bat, one with ball - of mystical brilliance.

Every one led to victory and among them they caused a boom in support for English cricket that reverberated through the decade. By the end of it, sober judges were wondering if Botham had done more harm than good by making all England believe, as he did, that cricket matches are won by inspiration not preparation. His batting was based on sound principles and phenomenal strength.

A player with 14 centuries, 22 fifties, a high score of 208, 5200 Test runs under his belt and 383 wickets in 102 games are stats that make you wonder whether he was a batsman who could bowl or a bowler that could bat. His famous 149* vs Aussies in 1981 still ranks as the 4th greatest Test innings in the history of the sport as per Wisden. Ian Botham was equally good with the ball. A strike rate of just u
 
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Rodney Marsh:
Thick-set in build and combative in approach, Rodney Marsh remains one of the most respected wicketkeepers to have ever played international cricket. During a Test career which bridged a period of 14 years until his retirement in 1983-84, he collected a then world-record tally of 355 dismissals; the combination of his concentration, athleticism and highly skilled glovework earning him enormous admiration among spectators and fellow players alike. Marsh was nimble-footed and his capacity to move acrobatically to intercept errant deliveries and catches was a constant feature. He was an invaluable player for both Western Australia and Australia, and the inextricability of his association with the fast bowler Dennis Lillee - the dismissal "caught Marsh bowled Lillee" was recorded 95 times in Tests, a record between bowler and WKs - is one of the legends of cricket in their country. Apart from his wicketkeeping talents, he was also an excellent batsman in his own right, scoring three Test centuries, and his forceful strokeplay lay at the core of many stubborn Australian lower-order performance.

Shaun Pollock:
One of the most successful fast bowlers in the modern game, Shaun Pollock is one of the select bowlers whose peak rating reached 900+. A former rank 1 in test bowling and all rounders, Pollock was an immaculate, Hadlee-esque, line and length seamer. Perhaps the straightest bowler in world cricket, Pollock is able to move the ball both ways at a lively pace. He also possesses stamina and courage in abundance as in proved in Adelaide in 1998 when he toiled on hour after hour in blazing heat to take 7 for 87 in 41 overs on a perfect batting pitch. A player who scored 2 centuries in his international career including a fantastic 106 at Bridgetown just adds to his overall game as one of the finest players the game has ever produced.

Harbhajan Singh:
In Harbhajan Singh, we have a fantastic spinner, 4th most successful in terms of wickets and an instrumental part in ending Australia's 16 game unbeaten run in 2001, a series in which he managed to take 32 wickets including the 1st hattrick by an Indian. Purists might mutter about a lack of loop and flight, but he is very much a product of his times where short boundaries, heavy bats and shorter forms afford little latitude to slow bowlers. Bowling with a windmilling, whiplash action, remodelled after he was reported for throwing, he deals by varying his length and his pace, and can turn it the other way too. His deadliest ball, however, is the one that climbs wickedly from a length, forcing a hurried jab.
A player with 25 5 wicket hauls and 5 10 wicket hauls in just over 100 tests highlights his credentials as a top off spin bowler. Add to that 2 Test centuries showcase his credentials as an able lower order batsman

Rangana Herath:
The bowler holding the record for best figures by a left arm spinner, Herath could have been so much greater had there not been a certain Muralitharan in the SL team. Herath currently has 304 wickets from just 70 tests. As a left-arm spinner, his strengths are his accuracy and his ability to bowl long spells, but to that he has added a 'mystery' ball, a delivery that is quicker and darts back into the right-hander. His unrelenting accuracy, and his ability to subtly vary his pace and flight have made him a potent force even overseas, where conditions don't always favour spin bowling.

Danish Kaneria:
Pakistan's most successful wicket taking bowler but also their one of the most underrated spinners, Danish Kaneria was a wonderful leg spinner who used his height to get good bounce - though not always flight - and he could turn the ball significantly. Though the googly was overexposed, Richie Benaud once reckoned it to be among the best-disguised he had seen. Above all he had perseverance, and right or wrong, had served often as shock and stock bowler. Kaneria took 261 Test wickets in just 61 Tests but shall always be remembered for his role in spot fixing case.

Mathew Hoggard:
One of the best English bowlers this century, Hoggard was a disciplined but a deadly bowler. 248 wickets in just 67 tests at an impressive SR of 56 is one of the reasons he is still remembered as a fine talent.
Big, bustling, and with the sort of energy coaches kill for, Hoggard shapes the ball away from the right-hander at pace and is surprisingly slippery off the pitch.He grew into the senior bowler of the England quartet that swept all before them in an unbeaten year 2004. With just two Tests under his belt, Hoggard was chosen to lead the attack on an arduous tour of India in 2001-02, where he charged in obediently and accurately, and capped his winter with figures of 7 for 63 against New Zealand at Christchurch. By the end of the following summer he had been voted the bowler of the season by readers of Wisden Cricket Monthly. His moments when they came were worth waiting for - a brilliant hat-trick at Barbados in April 2004, and then a phenomenal 12-wicket haul at Johannesburg the following winter, where he single-handedly bowled England into a series-clinching 2-1 lead. And the following summer, he shrugged off a quiet start to the summer to contribute nine wickets at Trent Bridge and The Oval, as England sealed their first Ashes victory for 18 years. His batting is limited, but he has developed into a reliable tailend blocker and one of the most effective nightwatchmen in the game.
 
Batting:
Our batting is probably the strongest in the entire draft with proper batting all the way down to #8. No matter the bowling attack, we have enough players in our squad to play against any attack. We have the two best opening batsmen in the draft in the terms of average. A solid left and right hand combination will get our team going. Both batsmen are very consistent and have scored over double digit hundreds in a short period of time. Both batsmen are exceptional players of pace bowling and that is absolutely vital when opening an innings in a test match.

At #3, Richardson was a destructively brilliant batsman, particularly on hard pitches where he could throw the bat through the line with abandon, carving the ball square. He hooked willingly too, usually up, frequently for six. His 69 grafted out over four hours on a vile pitch at Edgbaston in 1995 was a masterly exhibition of bad-wicket play. He reserved his finest innings for the Australians: only Sachin Tendulkar and Jack Hobbs have bettered his nine centuries against them. The finest was at Georgetown in March 1991, when he blasted 182, including 106 in the final session of the first day.

In the middle order, we probably have the best 2-down and 3-down batsmen in the entire draft when you look at the players in terms of the whole package - their averages, their hundreds, their consistency, their most crucial innings etc. Sachin averaged 54 runs with 44 of his hundreds coming from the #4 position, while Clarke averaged 61 runs with 20 of his hundreds coming from the #5 position. These lads didnt just show up for a test or two - but they were consistent because they played in their positions for more than 100 innings. They were excellent fielders as well and Clarke was one hell of a captain.

Then comes our WK, Marsh and Shaun Pollock who are very capable batsmen especially in the longer version of the game. They both have a few centuries to their name and are more than capable of standing their ground and holding their own. Even Harbhajan Singh who comes in after them is very capable of batting and has a couple of hundreds to his name. Thats batting till the #9 position.

Bowling:
To begin our bowling, we will have two absolute beasts of test cricket in Shaun Pollock and Ian Botham. Pollock has 421 wickets to his name with a SR of 56 and is South Africa's leading wicket taker. Ian Botham is one of England's one time best bowlers with 383 wickets to his name as well. Then we have always have the man called 'Turbinator' in Harbhajan Singh who is the 2nd highest wicket taker for India and the 4th most successfull spinner of all time. We will also start the 2nd highest wicket taking spinner from Sri Lanka in Herath. During the first two games we decided to go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners by throwing Kaneria into the mix, who is Pakistan's leading wicket taking spinner. That way we have variety in off spinners and leg spinners and that will come in handy in turning pitches. We also have Sachin and Clarke who can chip in with some overs. In the final test we will drop Kaneria and pick up Hoggard who has a very good SR of 57. That way we have 3 proper pacers for the greener, pacier track and still have 2 spinners.
 
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Team Interval:

Greenidge
Jayasuriya
Vengsarkar
Kallis
Border
Laxman
Bairstow
M Johnson
T Boult
Caddick/ Saqlain (Saqlain on the spin track and the batting track)
Chandrasekhar

Openers

Greenidge
Jayasuriya

Middle Order
Vengsarkar
Kallis
Border
Laxman
Bairstow

What I was aiming for:
Quality batsmen; adept at all conditions; very dogged and difficult to break-down; right-left combos happened by chance but will definitely help

Bowling in spinning conditions and batsman friendly pitch

Mitch Johnson
Trent Boult
Jaques Kallis
B Chandrasekhar
Saqlain Mushtaq
(Dollies by Jayasuriya)

What I was aiming for: Enough pace to be effective in slow conditions where the ball doesnt swing; Two high quality spinners (leggie+offie) with a left armer to add variation when required

Bowling in pacy conditions

Mitch Johnson
Trent Boult
Andrew Caddick
Jaques Kallis
B Chandrasekhar

What I was aiming for: Two pacy swing oriented left arms and two accurate right armers; will work in combos; make up the lack of apparent quality (compared to all time greats) by quantity; Chandra used to bowl at a pretty high medium pace which would be ideal for overcast conditions
 
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A word on Chandra since people may not know him too well;

A very good leggie; had a polio arm which made him unpredictable; even he did not know what side the ball was going to turn; Think of him as the olden age Anil Kumble (same avg, same SR, same economy)

watching these two videos will help; According to me, he is the best spinner in this match



 
A word on Chandra since people may not know him too well;

A very good leggie; had a polio arm which made him unpredictable; even he did not know what side the ball was going to turn; Think of him as the olden age Anil Kumble (same avg, same SR, same economy)

watching these two videos will help; According to me, he is the best spinner in this match





Their actions are so beautiful and elegant.
 
@Varun

My team
Greenidge
Jayasuriya
Vengsarkar
Kallis
Border
Laxman
Bairstow
M Johnson
T Boult
Caddick/ Saqlain (Saqlain on the spin track and the batting track)
Chandrasekhar
 
Its hard to find weaknesses in the opposing team. But here is my view on some that I can exploit

1. Botham at number 6 is not a full fledged batsman - The man's batting and bowling averages are divergent; in only one year in his career has he averaged more than 40 with the bat - but that year he averaged 37 with the ball; I'm not saying he was a Mitch Johnson type mug but he clearly isn't a full fledged bat

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2. Batting can be flaky: His batsmen are admittedly good (I don't know much about Amiss but basis what is posted, sounds great). But Warner, Richardson, Clarke are all aggressive, flakey types. Are prone to errors, which is what I will think will happen on pacy wickets; His tail can wag but that's as much as it is.

3. On pacy pitches, he will need to play two spinners: Who aren't getting much on it. If my batsmen can play out Pollock and Botham's opening spell, Hoggard, Harbhajan and Herath will struggle; Even on spinning pitches, I think my quality of spinner is just much better than his

4. My batting is superior: As much as they have written on Clarke being amongst the best middle order players in the draft, I don't think he is. Border is better and Laxman is better than Botham for batting; Yes, Sachin is the best batsman in the game, but Kallis is good too.
 
It doesn't make a big difference. I ll send in Marsh at 6 and have Botham at 7. Botham scored 5 hundreds from the 6 and another 6 hundreds from the 7 position. His average is 40 from the #7. And you can't argue all my batsmen are flaky. These are consistent players we are talking about. Only Richardson is averaging less than 50 runs and his average isn't bad at 47 runs. I mean every batsmen makes errors. Clarke averaged 61 runs from the #5. I don't think you can get more consistent than that. Border averaged 52 runs from the #5 and he played 40 less innings than Clarke. And your batting ain't superior. It's not even close.
 
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Its hard to find weaknesses in the opposing team. But here is my view on some that I can exploit

1. Botham at number 6 is not a full fledged batsman - The man's batting and bowling averages are divergent; in only one year in his career has he averaged more than 40 with the bat - but that year he averaged 37 with the ball; I'm not saying he was a Mitch Johnson type mug but he clearly isn't a full fledged bat

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2. Batting can be flaky: His batsmen are admittedly good (I don't know much about Amiss but basis what is posted, sounds great). But Warner, Richardson, Clarke are all aggressive, flakey types. Are prone to errors, which is what I will think will happen on pacy wickets; His tail can wag but that's as much as it is.

3. On pacy pitches, he will need to play two spinners: Who aren't getting much on it. If my batsmen can play out Pollock and Botham's opening spell, Hoggard, Harbhajan and Herath will struggle; Even on spinning pitches, I think my quality of spinner is just much better than his

4. My batting is superior: As much as they have written on Clarke being amongst the best middle order players in the draft, I don't think he is. Border is better and Laxman is better than Botham for batting; Yes, Sachin is the best batsman in the game, but Kallis is good too.

Amiss averaged 15 against Australia and was absolutely awful against Mckenzie, Lillie and Thompson. Wretched average considering how often he played them.

Most of his big knocks v the Windies was while they had an underdeveloped pace attack but he did manage one knock against Holding (a very young Holding) and Roberts, so he gets some credit for that.

He was also excellent vs spin and scored big against the Indian quartet on the sub-continent but his record against world class pace especially in light of the Australia record is questionable.

Clarke I don't find convincing as a cricketer in all honesty, I think against quality 90s bowlers he'd be found out. My issue is with your bowling attack, I don't think it is good enough to cause him big problems, so I will need convincing.
 
I'd disagree regarding the batting point as RD has already pointed out and has explained
Also, I actually find top order featuring Amiss, Warner and Richardson stronger than Greenidge, Jayasuriya, Vengsarkar. None of the 3 average close to 50. Its 45.11, 41.48 and 40.04 at the respective batting positions. All the 3 are great players and stats may not be enough to justify their talents, but a top order that can't score big runs will struggle IMO
 
@anant I think you have the flakier batting but a comfortably better bowling attack than his. He has a flaky bowling attack but on a turning track, Saqlain and Chandre will outdo Harbajhan in my opinion. Another tough game to call.
 
I'd disagree regarding the batting point as RD has already pointed out and has explained
Also, I actually find top order featuring Amiss, Warner and Richardson stronger than Greenidge, Jayasuriya, Vengsarkar. None of the 3 average close to 50. Its 45.11, 41.48 and 40.04 at the respective batting positions. All the 3 are great players and stats may not be enough to justify their talents, but a top order that can't score big runs will struggle IMO

Its not about averages though, you have to take into account their opposition and the context in which the runs were made. People can bang on about Clarkes averages all they like and he is definitely talented but as a england supporter, I never feared him like I would a Waugh or a Border (before my time). They had a grit to their batting, a tenacity which allowed them to challenge the greatest bowlers on very difficult surfaces away from home.

For me Clarke on a home pitch, brilliant.. nice fast and bouncy wicket, he is fine and he is also superb against spin, but away from home on a seaming pitch with alot of swing, he is definitely weak and against a top top class bowler he would get found out. That said, I reckon Mitchell Johnson etc are bowlers he would face comfortably.
 
It doesn't make a big difference. I ll send in Marsh at 6 and have Botham at 7. Botham scored 5 hundreds from the 6 and another 6 hundreds from the 7 position. His average is 40 from the #7. And you can't argue all my batsmen are flaky. These are consistent players we are talking about. Only Richardson is averaging less than 50 runs and his average isn't bad at 47 runs. I mean every batsmen makes errors. Clarke averaged 61 runs from the #5. I don't think you can get more consistent than that.
That's not what I meant, mate. of course it matters how good your number 6 is. Marsh himself isn't as good a batsman as Laxman.

And I wasn't alluding to consistency. I was talking about planting your bat down when shit hits the fan (as it will happen in 2 out of 3 matches when pacers and spinners run merry).

Now I'm not 100% sure whether these are the correct metrics to find crunch situations but see below - my team, on an average, comes through much better in 3rd/ 4th innings of matches and away from home (which typically don't suit batsmen)

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I'd disagree regarding the batting point as RD has already pointed out and has explained
Also, I actually find top order featuring Amiss, Warner and Richardson stronger than Greenidge, Jayasuriya, Vengsarkar. None of the 3 average close to 50. Its 45.11, 41.48 and 40.04 at the respective batting positions. All the 3 are great players and stats may not be enough to justify their talents, but a top order that can't score big runs will struggle IMO

I think Greenidge is amongst the best openers in the draft (barring Sunil and someone else I'm forgetting). And you're completely ignoring the middle order for runs where mine is better than yours.
 
Two very good teams, very strong batting lineups and plenty of variety in bowling. Despite that, I don't think either team has the firepower to punch through the other's batting twice on the batting pitch, so it will come down to the other two matches for me.

Interval's middle order is beastly, and it shades his batting over Anant/RD's for me, but it's pretty close. I need to take a closer look at how the two attacks will fare in spinning/seaming conditions.
 
@anant I think you have the flakier batting but a comfortably better bowling attack than his. He has a flaky bowling attack but on a turning track, Saqlain and Chandre will outdo Harbajhan in my opinion. Another tough game to call.

I don't think he has a comfortably better bowling attack. He has better pacers. But think about what will happen on pacy tracks. He will have Pollock, Botham, Hoggard, Harbhajan and Herath (Herath is useless in pacy conditions; averages 45+). So once I get through the top 2, it should be okay. On the flipside, he will have to contend with Johnson, Boult, Caddick, Kallis and Chandra. His drop off after his first two is huge. I dopn't have a bowler of Pollock's caliber, but its not like they're completely rubbish.

On spinning tracks, Saqlain and Chandra are better than anything he can offset.

Its not about averages though, you have to take into account their opposition and the context in which the runs were made. People can bang on about Clarkes averages all they like and he is definitely talented but as a england supporter, I never feared him like I would a Waugh or a Border (before my time). They had a grit to their batting, a tenacity which allowed them to challenge the greatest bowlers on very difficult surfaces away from home.

For me Clarke on a home pitch, brilliant.. nice fast and bouncy wicket, he is fine and he is also superb against spin, but away from home on a seaming pitch with alot of swing, he is definitely weak and against a top top class bowler he would get found out. That said, I reckon Mitchell Johnson etc are bowlers he would face comfortably.

See chart above, mate! I was trying to make the same point :lol:
 
Two very good teams, very strong batting lineups and plenty of variety in bowling. Despite that, I don't think either team has the firepower to punch through the other's batting twice on the batting pitch, so it will come down to the other two matches for me.

Interval's middle order is beastly, and it shades his batting over Anant/RD's for me, but it's pretty close. I need to take a closer look at how the two attacks will fare in spinning/seaming conditions.
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I think my batting more than shades his because of Botham. But I'll leave it up to you.

I also think people are overlooking Jayasuriya because of his averages. He started off as a bowler and played too late into his career. For eight years (and I'm picking eight years and not a one-two-three year patch) between 1996-2004 he averages 45+ and was a top scorer in a more than decent SL team
 
Its not about averages though, you have to take into account their opposition and the context in which the runs were made. People can bang on about Clarkes averages all they like and he is definitely talented but as a england supporter, I never feared him like I would a Waugh or a Border (before my time). They had a grit to their batting, a tenacity which allowed them to challenge the greatest bowlers on very difficult surfaces away from home.

For me Clarke on a home pitch, brilliant.. nice fast and bouncy wicket, he is fine and he is also superb against spin, but away from home on a seaming pitch with alot of swing, he is definitely weak and against a top top class bowler he would get found out. That said, I reckon Mitchell Johnson etc are bowlers he would face comfortably.

I think he has faced such bowling in England and SA. He averages a decent 40-41 in both these countries. He faced some top class bowlers in Anderson, Steyn, Ntini, Pollock in these venues and did decently well
 
Well, one point in his favour re: batting is that his has more depth than yours, as Pollock is pretty handy too. And obviously, there's Tendulkar.

I do like Jayasuriya though, especially on the slower wicket.
By depth, its just Shaun Pollock. But then again, Bairstow is a better bat than Marsh. And VVS is also better than Botham. I'd also like to point that Greenidge is better than any opener he has. I'd like to go as far as to say he is amongst the best openers in the draft.

Will give you Sachin though. He is the best batsman in the match. But Kallis is not far behind. Averages wise, Kallis is much better but obviously Tendulkar has that factor which Kallis doesn't.
 
That's not what I meant, mate. of course it matters how good your number 6 is. Marsh himself isn't as good a batsman as Laxman.

And I wasn't alluding to consistency. I was talking about planting your bat down when shit hits the fan (as it will happen in 2 out of 3 matches when pacers and spinners run merry).

Now I'm not 100% sure whether these are the correct metrics to find crunch situations but see below - my team, on an average, comes through much better in 3rd/ 4th innings of matches and away from home (which typically don't suit batsmen)

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Regarding the table, I'm not sure where you got those stats from, but they aren't correct as per howstat. I just checked 1 because Clarke's average seemed ridiculously low and Clarke averages 53 in 2nd innings.
 
I think people are seriously underestimating my bowlers especially Bhajji. Botham has 27 five-wicket hauls. He is 6th ALL TIME in that category and Bhajji has 25 five-wicket hauls. Bhajji was a dominant spinner during his peak years and I think he picked up 5 wickets in a row for 5 innings straight and that is something not even the best bowlers have done. And if Im not mistaken he picked up 32 wickets in ONE series against the Aussies.
 
By depth, its just Shaun Pollock. But then again, Bairstow is a better bat than Marsh. And VVS is also better than Botham. I'd also like to point that Greenidge is better than any opener he has. I'd like to go as far as to say he is amongst the best openers in the draft.

Will give you Sachin though. He is the best batsman in the match. But Kallis is not far behind. Averages wise, Kallis is much better but obviously Tendulkar has that factor which Kallis doesn't.
Just Shaun Pollock? He is coming at #8 ffs. What do you expect as good a batsmen like Sachin down at #8? Pollock has 4000 test runs to his name. His average is above 30. You would expect proper bowlers/tailenders to walk in at 8. I have a player who can actually bat at #8.
 
Additionally, Greenidge is 37.59 in 2nd innings. Sachin is 55.26 in 2nd innings, and I have stopped checking further
 
I think people are seriously underestimating my bowlers especially Bhajji. Botham has 27 five-wicket hauls. He is 6th ALL TIME in that category and Bhajji has 25 five-wicket hauls. Bhajji was a dominant spinner during his peak years and I think he picked up 5 wickets in a row for 5 innings straight and that is something not even the best bowlers have done. And if Im not mistaken he picked up 32 wickets in ONE series against the Aussies.
On pacy wickets, you're going in with two spinners - Harbhajan and Herath both of whom have an appaling average (close to 40 or 40+) in away conditions. Your bowling bar Pollock and Botham is lopsided.
Just Shaun Pollock? He is coming at #8 ffs. What do you expect as good a batsmen like Sachin down at #8? Pollock has 4000 test runs to his name. His average is above 30. You would expect proper bowlers/tailenders to walk in at 8. I have a player who can actually bat at #8.

Again, that's not what I meant mate. I meant, that your depth advantage (which is true, I'm not denying it) is only the one additional player who can play better than my number 8. My claim is that that is negated by better number 6 and 7

Regarding the table, I'm not sure where you got those stats from, but they aren't correct as per howstat. I just checked 1 because Clarke's average seemed ridiculously low and Clarke averages 53 in 2nd innings.

Its from espncricinfo, mate. And it's second team innings; not the second inning of the match. The numbers are accurate

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4578.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
 
I think people are seriously underestimating my bowlers especially Bhajji. Botham has 27 five-wicket hauls. He is 6th ALL TIME in that category and Bhajji has 25 five-wicket hauls. Bhajji was a dominant spinner during his peak years and I think he picked up 5 wickets in a row for 5 innings straight and that is something not even the best bowlers have done. And if Im not mistaken he picked up 32 wickets in ONE series against the Aussies.

I don't think anyone is understimating your bowlers. I love your bowling attack and have pointed out it is comfortably superior in my opinion although I agree with Interval, he has two cracking spinners for the turner pitch so that match up is a tough one.. but seamer wise, no contest. Botham and Pollock are superb.
 
On pacy wickets, you're going in with two spinners - Harbhajan and Herath both of whom have an appaling average (close to 40 or 40+) in away conditions. Your bowling bar Pollock and Botham is lopsided.
Yes but I have three pacers in the side for pacy wickets. I mean are you seriously going to go into a test match with no spinners?
 
I don't think anyone is understimating your bowlers. I love your bowling attack and have pointed out it is comfortably superior in my opinion although I agree with Interval, he has two cracking spinners for the turner pitch so that match up is a tough one.. but seamer wise, no contest. Botham and Pollock are superb.
Herath has only played 70 tests and he has picked up more than 300 wickets with 23 five wicket hauls. I think he is in the top 10 regarding the hauls. But he comfortably picks up over 4 wickets in a game. I mean he has a lower average than Saqlain but his SR is better. I still have Kaneria to come as a 3rd spinner. Its not as straight forward as you say it is for to win on that spinning track.
 
Yes but I have three pacers in the side for pacy wickets. I mean are you seriously going to go into a test match with no spinners?
You need to calm down. You have three seamers. But the drop off in quality is remarkable for a pacy pitch. You admit that after the first spell of 14 overs you will need to introduce Hoggard and Harbhajan and Herath? The latter two are poor on a pacy track. You typically go with 1 spinner on a pacy track.

I don't think anyone is understimating your bowlers. I love your bowling attack and have pointed out it is comfortably superior in my opinion although I agree with Interval, he has two cracking spinners for the turner pitch so that match up is a tough one.. but seamer wise, no contest. Botham and Pollock are superb.
Again, Raees. You're right. But see my point above. On a pacy track, what happens after Pollock and Botham? He is playing 2 spinners, both of whom average close to 40 in away conditions. Whereas I have no let up as Johnson+Caddick+Boult+Kallis+Chandra leaves no room for a let up.

I'm off now. Will try and check in later.