Test Cricket draft: paulscholes18 vs RedTiger @ SSC, Colombo

Who will win the test match?

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    28
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Mani said:
Most here under rating Saqlain's ability to take wickets, he's specialist who attacks batsmen and commit them to mistake.he can turn matches on his own.
Best eg. has to be his tour of India 1999, though Wasim,Akthar had there own share of wkts, this guys was completely unplayable, Indian batsmens( Dravid, sachin laxman, Azar ganguly ) all best players of spin struggled to get runs against and in fact lost their wkts .We played 2 test, Saqlain's figure of 35-10-94-5Wkts( Dravid, Sachin and Azar) IInd innings 32-8-93-5(Sachin,Azar and Ganguly) He had 10 wkts in match, picking price wkt of sachin wkt twice,In fact we lost the match with sachin going down at 136.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63828.html

2nd test though India had won this,Once again Saqlain claiming match figure of 10 wts in the match

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63829.html

Also If i'm not wrong he won the MOS.

Just assume if this guy can do it the worlds best on the track that help spinners as this game is played at SL where pitch should be either flat or turner friendly, i'm not going to tell you that he's not going to dominate batsmen each time when he's a ball ,what i say is he can break well set batsmen's going on their 50+ or even at 0's.new batsmens and tail end's will certainly suffer if they no going to apply them self.
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I certainly wouldn't call him Underrated. He was a top notch bowler, one of my favourites at that time. But it's hard to judge these things based on one test series. For example, In the 3 matches he played in Sri Lanka, one was at the SSC and whilst he did well in the second innings (with Mushtaq's help of course), he struggled in the fourth and that was also against a Sri Lankan team very comfortable with spin.

Edit: Not saying he won't scalp a few. Just that PS18's men can just as easily hold their own.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I certainly wouldn't call him Underrated. He was a top notch bowler, one of my favourites at that time. But it's hard to judge these things based on one test series. For example, In the 3 matches he played in Sri Lanka, one was at the SSC and whilst he did well in the second innings (with Mushtaq's help of course), he struggled in the fourth and that was also against a Sri Lankan team very comfortable with spin.

Edit: Not saying he won't scalp a few. Just that PS18's men can just as easily hold their own.
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One series > One Match
Best players of spin vs Average (least in sub continent pitches)Though i don't see Botham and Yousuf as average,bowler like Saqlain just need one ball to upset.
You decide.
 
Akshay said:
More than seven hours so plenty of time yet. Boycott and Varun haven't voted yet either.
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Is it from the time the thread is created or when Rado creates the polls? Coz I remember there was a significant delay in the other R16 match.
 
RedTiger said:
Saqlain Mushtaq 5/94 & 5/93 Vs India 1999 Chennai

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So you are digging in.
1st test ,defeat was painful, Wkts of Dravid by Wasim( one of the best delivery i had seen) and Sachin's 136 going in vain as our lower batting line was clueless and not good enough to score some 40 odd runs
 
Mani said:
One series > One Match
Best players of spin vs Average (least in sub continent pitches)Though i don't see Botham and Yousuf as average,bowler like Saqlain just need one ball to upset.
You decide.
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That would make Mendis world class.

Saqlain was decent enough but once the the surprise element was gone, he struggled. My lasting memory of him is being slaughtered by Sehwag when he made his comeback.

Mushtaq Ahmed was a better bowler I feel. In fact, I loved everything about his bowling from the action to his googlies:drool:
 
Akash said:
That would make Mendis world class.

Saqlain was decent enough but once the the surprise element was gone, he struggled. My lasting memory of him is being slaughtered by Sehwag when he made his comeback.

Mushtaq Ahmed was a better bowler I feel. In fact, I loved everything about his bowling from the action to his googlies:drool:
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We are speaking about the bowler at prime and that will apply here.
You better need to watch that video.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Is it from the time the thread is created or when Rado creates the polls? Coz I remember there was a significant delay in the other R16 match.
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24 hours after poll is created.
 
After a lot of thinking, I have gone with RTs team. The quality of bedi and Saqlain in these conditions is what swings it for me. Ashwin isn't in the same class. Very close though, hadn't voted this long because the teams are very close.
 
Varun said:
After a lot of thinking, I have gone with RTs team. The quality of bedi and Saqlain in these conditions is what swings it for me. Ashwin isn't in the same class. Very close though, hadn't voted this long because the teams are very close.
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Ashwin's got a great record in the subcontinent though. I get your point overall though. If this had been at the Premadasa I would have voted RT.
 
I caught only the tail end of Saqlain's career. Why is his average 29+ if he's so good? It's 28 in Asia.

Ashwin averages 20 in Asia versus 25 overall.
 
Akshay said:
He was just acting out, wanting to prove he's his own man and what not. Back in line, now.
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:lol:
You have to handle your Giggs's well these days. Else they will take matter into their own hands.
 
Akshay said:
Ashwin's got a great record in the subcontinent though. I get your point overall though. If this had been at the Premadasa I would have voted RT.
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Don't think we should be that specific regarding the exact stadium, it's just meant to be an indicator of the condition in that region.
zing said:
I caught only the tail end of Saqlain's career. Why is his average 29+ if he's so good? It's 28 in Asia.

Ashwin averages 20 in Asia versus 25 overall.
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Could it have something to do with the quality of support bowlers? If you have a good bowling attack, number of wickets picked per game definitely goes down. Could it be the same with averages as batters will try to score off you as well unlike in ashwin's case where they are very happy to not score much because runs are to be had from the pie checkers at the other end?
 
Saqlain got found out. That's why his average isn't that great. A bit like Mendis, except Saqlian did it for a bit longer.
 
Varun said:
Could it have something to do with the quality of support bowlers? If you have a good bowling attack, number of wickets picked per game definitely goes down. Could it be the same with averages as batters will try to score off you as well unlike in ashwin's case where they are very happy to not score much because runs are to be had from the pie checkers at the other end?
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But Ashwin has a great strike rate (31) in SL as well. So it's hardly like he's slogging away and taking wickets eventually because no one else will. If batsmen are playing defensively against him then that strike rate is all the more impressive.
 
Akash said:
Saqlain got found out. That's why his average isn't that great. A bit like Mendis, except Saqlian did it for a bit longer.
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This for me too. He was depending on stuff like doosra teesra and all. And once that was ineffective he went off grid.
 
Akshay said:
But Ashwin has a great strike rate (31) in SL as well. So it's hardly like he's slogging away and taking wickets eventually because no one else will. If batsmen are playing defensively against him then that strike rate is all the more impressive.
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31? That's nice. How many tests does he have there? I was just proposing a theory in that post, as you can see from the "?" I used.
 
Comparing saqlain with Ashwin :lol:,stats never tell you the complete answer.Can someone come up with the average maintained by Warne or Murali for that matter.
In my mobile sorry.
 
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