Yes.FFS! Just landed at Singapore to find out Djokovic retired! I had money riding on Djokovic to win Wimbledon, does this means that I've lost my bets?
Tennis 2017
- Thread starter The Man Himself
- Start date
- Status
Bet will probably be void, I thinkFFS! Just landed at Singapore to find out Djokovic retired! I had money riding on Djokovic to win Wimbledon, does this means that I've lost my bets?
No it won't, not outright bets.
Overall winner? I don't think it'll be voided.
From my very limited experience. since I rarely ever bet on tennis, isn't it only voided for individual match?
Hewitt weak? Agassi? Ancient Federer isn't doing that badly ain't he?
Gonzalez was far from weak opposition in that AO, he dismantled Nadal and Haas in the QF's, SF's whilst also beating Hewitt, young Delpo and 5th ranked Blake on the road, only losing 3 sets till the final.
Baghdatis beat 3 top ten ranked opponents on the way to the final - Roddick, Ljubicic and Nalbandian in 2006.
Apart from Scud who was also in pretty good form in 2003 I wouldn't call any of those final opponents weak.
Funny to call Soderling weak as well as he was the first man to beat Nadal at RG..
@surf said "relatively weak". These guys I think are definitely in that category compared to what you usually have to play in finals in the last decade. Fed has aged brilliantly, Agassi really wasn't all that when he played Fed at the USO final. Got lucky at Australia with the draw when he won it at 30+. Bagdatis, Gonzo and Soderling are ofcourse weak opponents when you compared them to actual quality players. And yes Soderling beat a not so fit Rafa and we saw what happened in the final again when Nadal at his full fitness absolutely decimated him in the final.Hewitt weak? Agassi? Ancient Federer isn't doing that badly ain't he?
Gonzalez was far from weak opposition in that AO, he dismantled Nadal and Haas in the QF's, SF's whilst also beating Hewitt, young Delpo and 5th ranked Blake on the road, only losing 3 sets till the final.
Baghdatis beat 3 top ten ranked opponents on the way to the final - Roddick, Ljubicic and Nalbandian in 2006.
Apart from Scud who was also in pretty good form in 2003 I wouldn't call any of those final opponents weak.
Funny to call Soderling weak as well as he was the first man to beat Nadal at RG..
That's what I based it on. Never made a bet on someone to win a title but then they withdraw mid tournament through injury.
Cillic will be a threat. Don't rule him out.
I wish so mate, just when I thought my week couldn't get worse. I think the bet is counted as a loss as its an outright winner and he retired. I'm frantically trying to connect to a VPN here to get on Bet365 live chat. Federer better win it all now or I'm looking at a really heavy loss for this Wimbledon. FFS Nole you troll!
If he's struggling to beat Muller, he's not going to touch Federer.
Live chat won't help. It's in the rules. Only concession on outright tennis bets is nrnb.I wish so mate, just when I thought my week couldn't get worse. I think the bet is counted as a loss as its an outright winner and he retired. I'm frantically trying to connect to a VPN here to get on Bet365 live chat. Federer better win it all now or I'm looking at a really heavy loss for this Wimbledon. FFS Nole you troll!
Probably right, but if Cilic is at his best he's the only one I see capable of causing Federer trouble. I mean no one would have fancied him in the US Open a few years ago. Unlikely given Federer's for, but you never know.
Will have to see how he is against Querrey, who's now played two 5 set matches back to back.
Still not getting giddy yet. Berdych has already beaten Fed in Wimbledon once before, twice at Slams and he has a knack for unexpected out of the blue win once in a while. Put him away first.
Any out of Querey/Cillic will be a lesser threat in the final. Cillic won a Slam but the occasion this time with the whole of Centre Court behind Fed is a different animal.
Any out of Querey/Cillic will be a lesser threat in the final. Cillic won a Slam but the occasion this time with the whole of Centre Court behind Fed is a different animal.
All set up for Roger to reclaim Wimbledon again.
Hopefully he does it.
Hopefully he does it.
Erm, Agassi missed a lot of the tour in his early age due to drugs and other off court problems. He won most of his titles when he was 30 and above. He was finalist in the Canada Masters prior to the 2005 USO.
If you have watched Gonzo in 2007 he was far from weak.
He was red hot in that tournament could really beat anyone.
Soderling was 2 times FO finalist, and for a brief period of 2-3 years was solid in slams and also won the Paris Masters.
If you start putting asterisk to his wins you can easily do the same as in 2008/2009 Federer had mono, where most of his losses to Nadal came for example.
Beating a name doesn't necessary mean that that player was better in the tournament. Take Delpo for example, would Djokovic in 2009 USO be tougher opponent than Delpo? Highly doubt so.
Fav Gonzalez moment
Berdych is the biggest bottle job in the men along with Kei. He's got a horrible record against the Top players and I don't see him winning here either.
Anyone saw him winning in 2010 or 2012?
That's the big problem. He blows hot and cold but is a very dangerous player when he's feeling it. Need I remind you he took one set off Fed and only lost on tb last time they met while Nadal failed to do the same in the same tournament (Miami).
I of course still have Fed as the favourite, but he'll have to bring his A game.
Yes I saw the match in Miami and the minute he had the match on his racket he blew it in typical Berdych fashion. With Fed in form, I don't see this being much of a contest.
I do hope you are right
. I wouldn't want anything else but this Wimbledon title. It's the perfect conclusion to an illustrious career.I hope I'm wrong and someone beats Fed but I just don't see it happening!I do hope you are right
What does Nadal have to do with this? Why does every discussion regarding Fed that Nadal needs to be brought in. He's gone out the tournament.
Berdych isnt a big threat. Just look at his record against the big four. He's had his moments against them granted but at the end of the day he lost. Does that make him a bad player? No because he's losing consistently to three of the all time greats.
If Söderling hadn't gotten ill, forcing him to effectively retire at 27, he might well be competing with Wawrinka in the rankings. He just might've taken one or two of his slams. The guy was fearsome when he was in form. A bit of a mean attitude towards a player who got robbed of possibly his best years.
Not to mention that Gonzo was like a more consistent Fognini, as Nadal felt in that match at the AO. Not great, but always dangerous.
It's just specifically for @wr8_utd . He has a knack for underrating players outside of the top 4. I used Nadal because he happened to be the one Fed ended up beating in a clean 2 set there. Still going to shit myself if they meet again despite the recent wins.
I don't dispute the sentiment of the rest of your post. Albeit I'd say a 18-6 career h2h against the GOAT isn't a big blemish. He has a decent enough h2h against Murray as well, it's only with Djoker/Nadal that he really struggles.
I think Sorderling and Stan did have some similarities with big serves and a lot of power but I don't think Soderling would have gone on to win Slams. I think he'd have been similar to Berdych in terms of reaching a Slam final or two but not really winning.
Berdych just never strikes me as a player who believes he can beat the big guys. I'd gone to watch him play vs Fed in London and he was just so utterly awful in that match and it was exactly what I'd expected from him. Players like him and Kei have talent but don't seem to have the mentality to actually go one step forward and actually win stuff.
Different animal to the whole of Arthur Ashe being behind Fed? I'm surprised those Berdych wins seem to have scarred you more than the Cilic one, I know Berdych is dangerous but Federer's recent record against him is good. With Cilic all we've got since that beat down in New York is the quarter final from last year which Cilic should have won (albeit Federer wasn't the player he is this year).
I think there's nowhere Fed is more comfortable mentally than the Centre Court at Wimbledon, and it's very daunting to play against a supremely confident opponent with the crowd on his side. I wouldn't say Berdych scarred me but he seems to just annoyingly popped out occasionally with a win no one expected. That kind of streaky player is harder to predict than Cilic, who is the better player obviously but you know what to expect from him most of the time.
Why would you want someone to beat Fed if it's not Nadal. I am a Fed fan and still didn't mind Nadal winning his 10th RG. Why are you so bitter towards perhaps the GOAT?
Perhaps supporting the underdog? Happens a lot in sports, your team or player goes out and you back one of those less likely. Plenty other plausible reasons too.
You're not automatically bitter just because you're not supporting Federer lol
I understand why Nadal fans don't want Federer to win. I don't want Nadal or Djoko to win simply because I don't want to see them surpass Federer's total no. of GSs.
Why?
I'm not really bothered about all this. If Federer wins Wimbledon then I'd be delighted for him because he's proven the doubters from the last 5 years wrong. The only issue I had with Federer was his arrogance and his wife. He's never been as gracious in defeat as Nadal or humble. I remember when he was taking shots at Murray after he lost to him. But I rather Federer win the tournament but I was hoping he'd play one of the other big four members atleast as a tennis fan. These matches with Berdych or Cillic/Querry do not excite me. Would have been nice if Murray or Djokovic went through.
I want these guys to play each other as much as possible in the next few years because we all going to miss it when it ends in a few years.
Because he is a favourite of mine and I want him to go down as the undoubted GOAT. I like Djoko and Nadal too. Both are terrific players and personalities. I just have always loved Federer. I honestly think his alleged arrogance has been overstated anyway.
I agree that a final against one of the other big 4 would be great, but not a lot you can do about injuries and poor form.
Supporting the underdog happens when you are neutral. He is not neutral here. He obviously seems to have some sort of bitterness towards Federer. His reaction would have been the same had it been a prime Djokovic facing Federer. He would not have been rooting for the "underdog" Federer then.
The only viable reason seems to be that Federer is climbing higher on the ladder of GOAT leaving behind Nadal and he cannot take it.
You jumping to his defense was funny though.
Maybe he just doesn't like Federer.
Last edited:
Hence why I asked why. Is it only because he is Nadal's rival and a better player than Nadal?
I never liked Nadal, and not sure why. And that's way before I cared about Federer either, or much of tennis. Guess his superiority played a big part in it. Guess it could be similar with Federer dislikers. All three of them.
Both I guess.
Every time Nadal fans tend to put Nadal as a better player just because of having a winning H2H against Federer, but in reality it is pretty skewed due to their clay meetings and Nadal obviously being the better player on clay. I mean - 15 out of the 37 meetings happened on clay.
With Nadal winning the RG he also closed on the slam count, although I don't see him matching Federer even if he stays at 18.
Hopefully Nadal will stay strong in the tail end of the season (especially since Murray and Djoko seems injured) so he can meet Federer in his preferred surfaces - fast outdoor hard (Cincy/Canada/USO) and the indoor season, where he's a huge favorite and can bring the H2H even closer to the 14-23 as it is now.
The h2h isn't skewed. Nadal was leading on hard courts up until this season. It was 2-1 on grass to Fed and 13-2 to Nadal on clay. Hardly Nadals fault that he's superior on Clay. Federer didn't show that dominance on his favourite surfaces.
How many times Nadal flunked out of HC or grass tournament in Fed's prime prior to the final? Fed often upheld his end of the bargain reaching the final in RG and Clay master to be beaten by Nadal, who is undoubtedly the better player on that surface.
- Status