If anything the doping makes it better. Bunch of absolute freaks running around whacking the ball at absurd speeds for 5 hours, it's great
Tennis 2015
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you're probably right, but it speaks more about competition, imo. I actually "hate" him, but I still think he deserves more. fecking Andy Roddick has had equally successful career and that's just crazy for me.
Roddick has 1 slam to his name(US Open). Murray has 2(US and Wimbledon) and a gold medal. So far Murray's had a very good career, the Wimbledon win puts his name in history.
I know. Roddick also have one davis cup and comparable trophy haul, 32 to Murray's 33. it's not really much between them even though Murray is twice the player Roddick ever was and he can only dream about number 1 spot because of competition. I still think he will finish his career with 4 or 5 slams.
hmm looking at the prospect of having Djoker the GOAT one day
will never happen. if he wins tomorrow, there's chance he will overtake Nadal though...
Roddick was a very good player who was unfortunate to be at his peak during the Federer years. He lost four Grand Slam finals to Federer. Murray is better but there's not much shame in having a comparable record to Roddick
Fair enough. I was only really counting number of Slams.
imo, Roddick would at best take Tsonga's or Berdych's place if he was playing today. people calling Murray "choker" sometimes don't even realise how well is he actually holding against Novak, Rafa and Federer.
Won't happen. He's well of Fed's slam mark and Connors' all time tournament wins, and frankly at 28, he's not got much time left at the top until the next young gun emerges out of nowhere to depose him.
If he takes RG, Wimbledon and U.S. Open this year, he'd already be on 11. He'd need 6 more, that's two per year by the time he's 30? Surely not impossible.
He won't be the greatest but Djokovic has the best return of serve I've seen. Even better than Agassi who was pretty damn good.
Sure. And if he wins the next 10 slams in a row then he will catch up in no time.
Well considering he won one slam last year, one the previous year, and one the year before that, it's not likely he's going to win 9 in the next two and a half years. For all we know, he may struggle to win more than 2 or 3 in that time since Tennis players lose form quickly once they get into their late 20s early 30s.
Djokovic won't overtake Federer. He's 28 and you saw last year when people were saying Nadal could get Federers record. And now that does not look likely. Also Federer has not even won a grand slam in his 30s. There's no guarantee Djokovic will be as great in his 30s.
Obviously it also depends on who is around then. But it's very rare for a player to win a grand slam in their 30s.
I also don't think Wimbledon will be a given for Djokovic. I'm hoping Federer can win one last Wimbledon.
Obviously it also depends on who is around then. But it's very rare for a player to win a grand slam in their 30s.
I also don't think Wimbledon will be a given for Djokovic. I'm hoping Federer can win one last Wimbledon.
Federer may still have a slam left in him. He's 33 but still number 2 and coming off a Wimbledon final last year. One slip up by Djokovic and Fed may nick one final slam.
Djokovic will end up somewhere around 13-15 at max. 15 is actually a stretch. Murray is getting better and will surely have a period with next 2 years where he wins 2-3 slams. I am more interested what happens when these guys cross age of 30. The younger ones have talent but have too many errors in them. So, it is difficult to see any one or two only of them dominating and Djokovic-Murray in that case can still win then. I will never write-off Rafa till he retires. He can still win one. Want Fed to win 1 more too but that is more of hope.
The hate for Djokovic is laughable though. Murray himself uses game slowing or other tactics, pretends to be unfit etc when things don't go his way. Also, Murray is no choker. He actually did very well to take it to 5 sets. Djokovic, when he retires is going to be among the GOATs. Murray, though a v.v.good player, is clearly a step below. Still he has done fantastically well to win 2 slams and regularly make later stages, so that should be appreciated. He should win 3 more slams and 5 slams after having played at peak of 3 GOATs is going to be good achievement.
The claim of 95% tennis players take drugs, without any factual backing or even some informative 'insider' article is ridiculous.
The hate for Djokovic is laughable though. Murray himself uses game slowing or other tactics, pretends to be unfit etc when things don't go his way. Also, Murray is no choker. He actually did very well to take it to 5 sets. Djokovic, when he retires is going to be among the GOATs. Murray, though a v.v.good player, is clearly a step below. Still he has done fantastically well to win 2 slams and regularly make later stages, so that should be appreciated. He should win 3 more slams and 5 slams after having played at peak of 3 GOATs is going to be good achievement.
The claim of 95% tennis players take drugs, without any factual backing or even some informative 'insider' article is ridiculous.
Also, Serena stahppp!!! I don't want her to surpass my sweetie Steffi Graf 
No way. How does winning 8 take him past Nadal?
It will be very difficult for any of them to win post 30. Federer is actually playing pretty brilliantly week in week out for a 31 year old but in the grandslams it shows up every time. It's very hard. The maximum I expect any of them to do in that phase of their career is nicking one slam when everything falls your way. Otherwise the slower courts these days with the extra running involved gives younger legs the advantage.
I don't think Djokovic can reach Federer but Nadal possibly can. On the other hand I can see Djokovic catching nadal if he has two or three years of pure domination now, and Nadal falling away.
Federer for me has his one last shot this Wimbledon. He's looked a spent force agiant the better players in grandslams but in general has a good level. So it's not as if he's playing horribly but it's never looking like enough. On grass, if he turns it on for a fortnight you never know. I'd love it if the great man signed off in style.
hmmmm, my tought was - if he wins today, he can eventually catch Nadal before the end of career, not Federer...
Fed's 33, not 31. Being ranked number two is damn impressive for his age though he hasn't looked like winning a slam apart from Wimbledon for a long time now. I felt his 5 set loss against a below par Djokovic last year in the Wimbledon final was his last chance but you never know.
Absolutely. Yeah forgot his age for a moment. Very impressive indeed.
He's nearly 34, actually.
So at this point in 2009, when Federer was 28 and had 14 slams......all but Fernando Gonzalez were younger than him in the top 10. Hell only Roddick was within 2 years of the other 8.
In comparison, only Roanic and Nishikori are younger than Djokovic. I don't think Djokovic has half as much to worry about in comparison to Federer competing in his 30's as long as his body keeps up. Nishikori and Roanic aren't going to become all court dominaters the way the Big 4 all did.
EDIT - Cilic as well, thought he was going to drop out, but that was if Tsonga made final. So essentially 4 of the top 12 younger compared to 9 of the top 12 in Feds.
In comparison, only Roanic and Nishikori are younger than Djokovic. I don't think Djokovic has half as much to worry about in comparison to Federer competing in his 30's as long as his body keeps up. Nishikori and Roanic aren't going to become all court dominaters the way the Big 4 all did.
EDIT - Cilic as well, thought he was going to drop out, but that was if Tsonga made final. So essentially 4 of the top 12 younger compared to 9 of the top 12 in Feds.
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Federer is 33 btw, soon to be 34. In August
Like Sampras, he will probably win the last one when everyone will least expect him to.
If there was doping, it'd be in in the interest of the less efficient doppers or non-doppers to tattle-tale but this has yet to happen. So...
We are giving Stan the man no chance? I thought he played a brilliant match against Federer and will give Djokovic more than a run for his money.
Djokovic has a good chance of breaking Federer's record for weeks at number 1, he's about 150 weeks behind at the minute and obviously miles ahead of everyone else in the current rankings... Assuming he stays fit then I don't see him being challenged for it over the next couple of years.
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Definitely has a chance given the way he's striking the ball right now.
Amazing mental strength from Wavrinka to take the second set
God the French crowd is just awful. They'll boo for anything.
In terms of tennis crowds they are by far the worst.
Stan is playing stunning tennis at the moment. Can he capitalize and take charge of the 3rd?
Wawrinka has become such a good player over the last two years.
Stan really needs to improve his break point conversion if he wants to win this.
At least he is putting Djokovic under serious pressure on his serve. Nadal didn't do that. Murray did it late on but he should have done more earlier.
Hoping he can take the third set.
Wawrinka's aggressive baseline play and the groundstrokes are joy to watch.
Yeah true, I just feel like he might not get many more opportunities later on. Hope I'm wrong though.
Wawrinka on fire at the moment. Needs to take this set.
These backhands
These backhands