Tendulkar says he'll retire after his 200th Test Match

Bored, so wrote a bit about this bloke...

I probably rate Tendulkar lower, as a batsman, than most. He's one of the best there's been but I don't think he's the best. I'm an England fan and when England have played India, he's rarely been the opponent I was most concerned about. In test matches, I've worried more about Kumble and Dravid. In limited overs cricket, Dhoni and Yuvraj.

I do, however, find Sachin's career quite astonishing. The length of time he's played well, at the highest level, puts him alongside people like Giggs and Maldini. But what sets him apart is the pressure he did it under. No one, athlete or otherwise, has ever faced anything like it. He represented a country that is absolutely cricket mad, with a huge population, and he was not just the most popular player, but to many, the player. No one's success has ever been enjoyed by so many people. Nor their failures mourned. So many people have never spent so much of their lives thinking about one person. We will fight them on the beaches… Sorry, lost my train of thought.

The pressure he has been under is, in itself, fascinating, to me. What makes it more so, is how he's coped with it. The fact that he has seemingly maintained a healthy view of himself, and everyone else, whilst being adored to the point of worship by so many, from a pretty young age. There are many examples of people losing the plot, due to relatively sudden fame and wealth. He has not only held himself together but by all accounts I've come across, has been largely unfazed by it.

I went into a newsagents, yesterday, and the old Indian guy running the place had the radio on, listening to commentary of the match. I asked him the score. He told me and added that the second wicket had just fallen. I responded "Sachin's just come in, then" and his face lit up. We then waited whilst the next ball was bowled, before he served me.

That's the effect the man has had. Millions of people stop what they're doing in order to hear about him.
 
Bored, so wrote a bit about this bloke...

I probably rate Tendulkar lower, as a batsman, than most. He's one of the best there's been but I don't think he's the best. I'm an England fan and when England have played India, he's rarely been the opponent I was most concerned about. In test matches, I've worried more about Kumble and Dravid. In limited overs cricket, Dhoni and Yuvraj.

I do, however, find Sachin's career quite astonishing. The length of time he's played well, at the highest level, puts him alongside people like Giggs and Maldini.


Its your opinion and you're entitled to it but its laughable that you don't rate him highly. He has been by far the best batsman in the last 20 years. His ability to tear bowling apart is legendary.

He isn't like Giggs. He is like a Messi who did it right for 20+ years.
 
Its your opinion and you're entitled to it but its laughable that you don't rate him highly. He has been by far the best batsman in the last 20 years. His ability to tear bowling apart is legendary.

He isn't like Giggs. He is like a Messi who did it right for 20+ years.
I don't think so. Messi scores more goals than everyone else. Sachin hasn't been constantly scoring more runs than everyone else, for 20 years. Nor doing so at a higher average. The longevity is amazing but not that many of the calender years are, on their own.
 
I don't think so. Messi scores more goals than everyone else. Sachin hasn't been constantly scoring more runs than everyone else, for 20 years. Nor doing so at a higher average. The longevity is amazing but not that many of the calender years are, on their own.

He is the highest run scorer in the last 20 years. His average is amongst the top 2-3 in the last 20 years.
 
Its your opinion and you're entitled to it but its laughable that you don't rate him highly. He has been by far the best batsman in the last 20 years. His ability to tear bowling apart is legendary.

He isn't like Giggs. He is like a Messi who did it right for 20+ years.


Yeah it's bit of a joke.

Here's a stat.

For 17 of 24 years, #sachintendulkar was among the top 5 batsmen in the world.

It's just incredible. That's Messi levels of consistency.
 
He is the highest run scorer in the last 20 years. His average is amongst the top 2-3 in the last 20 years.
Yeah it's bit of a joke.

Here's a stat.

For 17 of 24 years, #sachintendulkar was among the top 5 batsmen in the world.

It's just incredible. That's Messi levels of consistency.
Both these are points about his consistency, over a huge period of time. I have lauded such.
 
Also, I thought my post was more interesting, after the first paragraph. I'll be a bit gutted if it's only that bit that is deemed worthy of comment...
 
Also, I thought my post was more interesting, after the first paragraph. I'll be a bit gutted if it's only that bit that is deemed worthy of comment...

That's because we know the rest. We all know about the pressure and the importance of Tendulkar because we saw cricket in the 90s.

On the other hand, your alluding to him not being the best batsman around is a bit of joke. You laud him for consistency but say his average aren't the best. Well they are. He is amongst the top 3-4 top averaging players in the last 20 years. Which means he has been the best. And done so for 20 years. Thats not JUST consistency. That's consistently being Messi for 20 years. Name me three batsmen who are better and anyone who isn't a Tendulkar fan will name three different ones.

Not to mention that he has done it against the likes of Akram, Warne, Murli and not against the likes of Tino Best like batsmen nowadays do.
 
That's because we know the rest. We all know about the pressure and the importance of Tendulkar because we saw cricket in the 90s.

On the other hand, your alluding to him not being the best batsman around is a bit of joke. You laud him for consistency but say his average aren't the best. Well they are. He is amongst the top 3-4 top averaging players in the last 20 years. Which means he has been the best. And done so for 20 years. Thats not JUST consistency. That's consistently being Messi for 20 years. Name me three batsmen who are better and anyone who isn't a Tendulkar fan will name three different ones.

Not to mention that he has done it against the likes of Akram, Warne, Murli and not against the likes of Tino Best like batsmen nowadays do.
I didn't argue anyone was better. I said he isn't the best. The italitics is crucial. I don't think his record alone is enough to say he's better than the rest. Nor do I believe you can assuredly say anyone was better.

As for knowing all the rest... Pfft! I'm English, it's impressive that I know it! Also, it was quite nicely phrased and even had a Churchill joke. You underrate my post. It was amazing.
 
Bored, so wrote a bit about this bloke...

I probably rate Tendulkar lower, as a batsman, than most. He's one of the best there's been but I don't think he's the best. I'm an England fan and when England have played India, he's rarely been the opponent I was most concerned about. In test matches, I've worried more about Kumble and Dravid. In limited overs cricket, Dhoni and Yuvraj.

I do, however, find Sachin's career quite astonishing. The length of time he's played well, at the highest level, puts him alongside people like Giggs and Maldini. But what sets him apart is the pressure he did it under. No one, athlete or otherwise, has ever faced anything like it. He represented a country that is absolutely cricket mad, with a huge population, and he was not just the most popular player, but to many, the player. No one's success has ever been enjoyed by so many people. Nor their failures mourned. So many people have never spent so much of their lives thinking about one person. We will fight them on the beaches… Sorry, lost my train of thought.

The pressure he has been under is, in itself, fascinating, to me. What makes it more so, is how he's coped with it. The fact that he has seemingly maintained a healthy view of himself, and everyone else, whilst being adored to the point of worship by so many, from a pretty young age. There are many examples of people losing the plot, due to relatively sudden fame and wealth. He has not only held himself together but by all accounts I've come across, has been largely unfazed by it.

I went into a newsagents, yesterday, and the old Indian guy running the place had the radio on, listening to commentary of the match. I asked him the score. He told me and added that the second wicket had just fallen. I responded "Sachin's just come in, then" and his face lit up. We then waited whilst the next ball was bowled, before he served me.

That's the effect the man has had. Millions of people stop what they're doing in order to hear about him.


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I didn't argue anyone was better. I said he isn't the best. The italitics is crucial. I don't think his record alone is enough to say he's better than the rest. Nor do I believe you can assuredly say anyone was better.

As for knowing all the rest... Pfft! I'm English, it's impressive that I know it! Also, it was quite nicely phrased and even had a Churchill joke. You underrate my post. It was amazing.

Hah! Fair enough, DOTA. It was amazing on a re-read.

But us Indians who grew up in the 90s are PMSing a bit today. We've all lost touch with cricket as we've grown and Tendulkar remains the last touch with our childhood cricket loving days. I remember the times I used to wake up to watch Tendulkar bat and then be too nervous to watch him play lest he might get out. Hell, if someone just entered the room to watch the match and a wicket fell, he/she would be banned from watching the match when Tendulkar was batting.
 
Hah! Fair enough, DOTA. It was amazing on a re-read.

But us Indians who grew up in the 90s are PMSing a bit today. We've all lost touch with cricket as we've grown and Tendulkar remains the last touch with our childhood cricket loving days. I remember the times I used to wake up to watch Tendulkar bat and then be too nervous to watch him play lest he might get out. Hell, if someone just entered the room to watch the match and a wicket fell, he/she would be banned from watching the match when Tendulkar was batting.


Spot on.
 
You never repped/liked my posts in the newbs, either.

Meanie!
Hah! Fair enough, DOTA. It was amazing on a re-read.

But us Indians who grew up in the 90s are PMSing a bit today. We've all lost touch with cricket as we've grown and Tendulkar remains the last touch with our childhood cricket loving days. I remember the times I used to wake up to watch Tendulkar bat and then be too nervous to watch him play lest he might get out. Hell, if someone just entered the room to watch the match and a wicket fell, he/she would be banned from watching the match when Tendulkar was batting.
This is what I find so interesting. How big a part of so many people's lives he has been.
 
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I don't think theres much debate that Tendulkar was the greatest batsman of the past 20 years and I think that anyone that says otherwise is being a little disingenuous to him. On stats alone I would have to go for Bradman as the greatest of all time, but the argument that the eras are different and its hard to compare is perfectly valid and I don't think that anyone that peddles that line of argument is necessarily wrong.

I think the debate as to who was the greatest cricketer of the past 20 times is far more interesting because it necessarily gets you to compare two different disciplines. For my money I'd take the package that Kallis gives you, he was undoubtedly an inferior batsman but when you factor in his bowling (at his peak probably good enough to be the 3rd seamer in any side in the world) it becomes a very tough choice for me.

It's a shame that of the true greats of the game we've had in the past few years, most are now gone. Kallis aside there's no one in that top bracket anymore (Although players like Clarke, Cook, Anderson, Chanderpaul, Smith, Amla, ABDV, Dhoni etc.. I'm not naming them all) will be remembered very fondly for a variety of reasons. (I'm sure I've missed out some really obvious great thats still playing).
 
Yup.

Kallis is the greatest cricketer in the last two decades. I love Tendulkar, but 10,000 runs and 300 wickets means Kallis takes it.

Still Tendulkar is the bigger legend and leaves a bigger legacy IMO.
 
Yup.

Kallis is the greatest cricketer in the last two decades. I love Tendulkar, but 10,000 runs and 300 wickets means Kallis takes it.

Still Tendulkar is the bigger legend and leaves a bigger legacy IMO.

Quoted. I hope you will be voting for me in draft on this factor alone :D
 
Yup.

Kallis is the greatest cricketer in the last two decades. I love Tendulkar, but 10,000 runs and 300 wickets means Kallis takes it.

Still Tendulkar is the bigger legend and leaves a bigger legacy IMO.


I think people forget how talented Kallis is. I'm no massive fan of all rounders (or at least the modern definition of them) but when you get one thats good, and I mean Kallis levels of good, they're phenomenal.

There's very few all rounders in the history of the game that are better than Kallis, if any, although an excellent case could certainly be made for Sobers, perhaps Imran Khan too. Other than that, the conversation is dominated by excellent bowlers who were handy batsmen with the exception of Miller possibly Dev and players that really were great, Botham and Pollock, but for a variety of reasons could have been a whole lot more.

I think it's the rarity of these players that makes them so special.
 
Imran was without a doubt a much better all rounder than Kallis.

Better, yeah. "..without a doubt a much better...?" No way. Kallis's record in batting is up there among all time best and his bowling in young days was lethal and is close to 300 test wickets. Add to that how great fielder he is. I will rate Imran Khan better than Kallis but Kallis is not too far off.
 
What makes him special is not runs he scored or his flawless technique, not even the fact that he is far and above, the classiest sportsperson I've ever seen.It's because somewhere in between scoring all those runs he gave me many a wonderful memory, which I would cherish for the rest of my life. Mind you, these were not just the matches he played in ,and the delirium or dismay,which came with his performance in those matches, it's the never ending discussions I had with my friends where we discussed everything from his game to his commercials, things i used to do to watch him play, the pride in holding a bat with an MRF sticker on it, the pure joy I felt when my friends compared a shot I played to one Sachin had played few days ago, my dad using the way Sachin responded to sledging as an example to teach me how to handle criticism and not getting provoked, the list is endless. Sachin is one of the major positive influences that shaped my childhood, and that is what makes him special to me. And no amount of statistics will ever change my mind. He is and will be the greatest sportsperson I've ever known!!
 
Some of the tributes have been beautiful and connect instantly with some one who has spent his life watching Sachin.

Quite liked this one :

Fifteen years from now, if a young boy or girl were to ask you about Tendulkar what would you tell them?
Even as a writer, I wouldn't be able to. Not sufficiently. No numbers suffice. No quotes from his peers will do. I have about seven-eight books on Muhammad Ali on my bookshelf. He fascinates me. I will read everything on him. But I wish I lived in his time, through Vietnam and his ban, I wish I had experienced him. And it's the same with Tendulkar. He was an experience. You were either there or you were not.
 
How can anyone not be a fan of Kallis :lol:

Only cricketer who can compete with Bradman and Sobers for best ever.
 
How can anyone not be a fan of Kallis :lol:

Only cricketer who can compete with Bradman and Sobers for best ever.
He's a bit overrated. Someone who does better in terms of statistics than otherwise.
 
How can anyone not be a fan of Kallis :lol:

Only cricketer who can compete with Bradman and Sobers for best ever.


:lol:

If you are counting Kallis, you must count the other great all-rounders. However, what the likes of Tendulkar and Lara have done already places them above Kallis.
 
:lol:

If you are counting Kallis, you must count the other great all-rounders. However, what the likes of Tendulkar and Lara have done already places them above Kallis.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and statistically Kallis is great but I never felt he was up there with sachin and Lara personally. That ability to suddenly turn it on, take control of games and turn them, he didn't have it IMO. You can call it x factory if you want to be cheesy or whatever. Warne had it for me as well.

Sachin is just a very unique sportsman for me. In terms of his longevity, the unreal pressure, the performances, and the class with which he has conducted himself, he stands out alone in my personal view.
 
And let's chuck the comparisons. I'd rather celebrate this stunning career.
 
A couple of things. He was one of the most forward thinking players too. I think he was eithe the first or one of the first to start smashing bowlers in the opening 15 overs in one day cricket. And he started the paddle sweep too. I remember back in the day he used to play some shorts that only he could. The "uppar cut", the "paddle sweep" and the backward sweep behind the keeper were shots at least I didn't see others play at the time.
 
A couple of things. He was one of the most forward thinking players too. I think he was eithe the first or one of the first to start smashing bowlers in the opening 15 overs in one day cricket. And he started the paddle sweep too. I remember back in the day he used to play some shorts that only he could. The "uppar cut", the "paddle sweep" and the backward sweep behind the keeper were shots at least I didn't see others play at the time.

He also started envisaged that you don't need to loft the shot in T20 and score through sixes. Composed cricketing shots also work
 
Kallis being the best cricketer of last 20 years? That's complete rubbish IMO. I would have Sachin, Lara, Warne, Akram, Mcgarth over him any day of the week.
 
Kallis being the best cricketer of last 20 years? That's complete rubbish IMO. I would have Sachin, Lara, Warne, Akram, Mcgarth over him any day of the week.

would agree with that. I'd put Ponting in that list, as well.

Kallis made no one dream, didn't make anyone come to the stadium or switch on the TV. And if he single handedly won anything for SA, no one remembers it.
 
would agree with that. I'd put Ponting in that list, as well.

Kallis made no one dream, didn't make anyone come to the stadium or switch on the TV. And if he single handedly won anything for SA, no one remembers it.

Yeah, Pointing and possibly Dravid makes it as well.
 
Agreed.

Back to sachin, should he have really been an all rounder?