I'm certain most Muslims outside the region won't even know who he is. Going by what he's saying I'm glad he's no longer in office.
Teacher beheaded near Paris after showing cartoons of Prophet Muhammad
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I'm certain most Muslims outside the region won't even know who he is. Going by what he's saying I'm glad he's no longer in office.
Classic.
Are you sure you engaged your brain before posting?
Once again you're really living up to that user name. Have another go at the video, it might take a few watches to sink in.
Once again with an inane, moronic response. Keep it up, it's an ongoing record of 7 years it seems.
The western nations has as much sin in creating these extremist in the first place. Instigating war, political toppling of goverments, destabilizing middle east, war on terror but he wrong address, continuous occupation of foreign land. Yet you guys closes a blind eye on the sins of your government yet are quick to condemn when moderate muslims as much as defend their religion.
Them extremist arent born from normal cermon, they are especially targeted by islamic radicals cleric with deeper agenda. You blame the puppet master behind all the youth radicalism you'll be surprised on who and what sort of people and agenda behind it. They are terrorist who happened to have Islam as religion.
If you think this is only because of a simple cartoon you're too naive. Hebdo is just the trigger, the hate for the western world and whatever his gripe is lies much bigger than a simple cartoon
This is a very good point. People didnt just wake up one day in their luxurious mansion screaming death to the USA. Leaders prey on the fears and angers of the downthrodden who are rightly scared and angry. There's a very good reason the west is hated by large parts of the world and I dont think any of it is written in the Quran.
Spoken with the arrogance and ignorance only a person of true faith can muster without shame.
Killings in France trigger Bangladesh protests against Macron
Would also just like to add that yesterday a mentally ill person in Bangladesh was burned alive by a mob for allegedly mishandling a Quran.
https://www.thedailystar.net/country/news/mob-beats-man-death-hurting-religious-sentiment-1986573
Would also just like to add that yesterday a mentally ill person in Bangladesh was burned alive by a mob for allegedly mishandling a Quran.
https://www.thedailystar.net/country/news/mob-beats-man-death-hurting-religious-sentiment-1986573
I'm not a believer. I just don't like people going after innocent people who aren't at fault. It's extremely dangerous for society and what you expect from the extreme right wing nutjobs.Firstly thanks for following my work. I truly appreciate the fans who been here since the start. Secondly you might want to drop the whole annoying random Muslims on internet with you're mid 2000's new atheism shtick, not a great look tbh.
Right? They could just lie low for sometime till the hype dies down, like Glaston does, but they're out and about actively advocating on behalf of the terrorists.
https://www.republicworld.com/world...6LZXEQ3DVPnZXzDQJMPoDKvARguuC-bFZ8AxPn0n8qULU
Its funny how the regions where Islam has spread is more fanatic than where it originated.
Its funny how the regions where Islam has spread is more fanatic than where it originated.
You might want to check Saudi Arabia's penal system which is based on Sharia. They chop off more people's head's every year than anyone.
So you’re responsible for all crimes committed by non religious people?.....
70% plus of mass shooters in the USA are Atheist.
You need to stop them. They’re your people. DO SOMETHING!
Fair. Is this why even the so called moderate muslims and those living in the west are taking the side of the murderers by blaming Macron/cartoonists/etc, and pushing #boycottfrance? As they too hold this hatred to some extent?
Nothing wrong with my posting history. You're trying to intimidate people to prevent criticism on an ideology that promotes violence, war, imperialism, misogyny, slavery, obedience and threatens gays, jews, and everyone who doesnt follow their rules without questioning. Reminds you of anything? Who are you calling right wing extremists? People who want liberty, equality, fraternity, tolerance, peace, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, social cohesion, opportunity and beeing free from fear?
This is not about cartoons, this is about power. Another inch needs to be given, not just in a conflict between islam and the West, but also in a show off between different branches and movements of islam, they're competing in toughness like Latin-American drug lords. Every muslim leader has to be more offended than the other and 'every' muslim too, it's a competition in intolerance on several levels. France is having these battles at several fronts, in streets, schools, swimming pools and beaches.
I wanted to know what it is and it doesn't seem to exist. I don't deny there's racism that affects muslims, but your faith and the way you practice it is a choice you've made that can be judged, and ridiculed. I like to ridicule calvinists and other protestants, I like to ridicule catholics (still many of my family), but if I ridicule islam it's suddenly something akin to racism? You can't hide behind a fiction just because you came up with a word from criticism on what you stand for. Why is there no hinduphobia, christianophobia, buddhistphobia and zoroastrophobia? Has the racism or bigotry suddenly disappeared with often a lot darker skin colours, or might it have something to do with islam beeing the most agressive, violent, expansive, intolerant, demanding and hateful of them all and there's a lot of reason in fearing it?
No, i like to make it between Western values and the most backward of religions. Besides the by now regular stabbings and beheadings by some margin the largest group of victims of islam in Europe are the European musllims, especially the truly moderate ones. The system of oppression and submission targets them first, to keep in line, be the most muslim by beeing more conservative and strict. There are a lot of very conservative and agressive muslim men who see it as their task to guard the faith and practices by intimidation. There's always this force, this greater islam trying to hold them back, trying to make islam everything but just another religion practiced freely in the West.
Many of the modern left, contrary to their predecessors who were much more thorough in their analysis, has chosen denial over realism and pretends all these muslim immigrants will soon embrace their LGTBQ-agenda and change from their extremely intolerant background into the most tolerant as is unique to Europe just because some group of genderfluid environmentalists who believe the headscarf is a feminist statement smile at them and claim they're welcome. A huge part of the left has lost it's reason in more than one way but that doesn't justify calling a genuine reasonable fear a phobia.
Germany registers anti-semitic incidents automatically as extreme-right. In my view that's justifiable because there's very little difference between radical muslims and neonazi's, but not to paint the wrong picture. It's also not just about the numbers but also about the seriousness of cirmes. I don't want to downplay the neonazi threat in Germany but slashings and driving trucks through crowds are a bit different from waving flags and singing songs.
Why not? There are billions of people in the world who would like to live in Europe instead of their muslim country that usually has messed up. The union of employers was watering at the mouth at the sight of so much cheap labour, people were claiming it would solve the problem of the aging population despite the remarkably low percentage of wombs among the war refugees, a remarkably low percentage of people from a region in war too. It's not like the conservative and often rich muslim countries tried to keep all these highly educated muslims in the muslim world. No, they are ready to finance the extremely conservative and often radical islam in Germany and send hateful imams and contribute to dragging back muslims to fundamentalism and promote outbreeding the infidels by having more kids and have them younger. The latter is not to be underestimated when it comes to demographic change. It's not like the muslim world doesn't have plans for Europe and those don't involve the wishes of the infidels.
It's not like the German government said wait a minute, we have a social contract, we're a democracy, we have to serve the people as they are and do what's best for the Germans of now and for example take social cohesion into consideration. The German government didn't question it's own right to force a huge demograhpic change upon the Germans, nor did of course the EU. And it was not like they were in control, immigration was decided on by the immigrants by reaching the border, whether that was the EU's border or the German border. Of course this caused opposition, an oppositon that migh be a bit smelly, especially around the edges, but the rise of Pegida and AfD are part of the dynamic that forced the government to take back control, ironically helped by Orban who built a fence. Now the pace is slower but policy is still changing the demographic of Germany in the hope it will all magically work out this time with islam despite it never did anywhere before and muslims worldwide and in Europe have only become more conservative and radical since. Yes it worked out for lots of individual muslims, and it worked out with a lot of individual muslims, but in great numbers they always come with the troublesome ones. As a whole, mass muslim immigration has caused trouble everywhere and the country with the most muslims who've been there the longest has the most problems. The French are not perfect but name one country that managed to make it a success.
It's not a simple as that, as in once there is a muslim majority they will vote for sharia and then we're all living like in Iran or Saudi-Arabia or whatever. Islam doesn't work democratically. A fanatic minority has a huge impact, it already has, because it doesn't stick to the rules of functioning legal and executive authorities, who often don't function when it comes to islam btw. Islamisation is also self censorship out of fear of kalashnikovs and getting beheaded. It's a very simple choice, do I make that joke, draw that cartoon or write that piece and have to look over my shoulder all the time, or do I just do something else so my life doesn't get difficult? You can't hardly blame them, is that islamophobic? The continuous fanaticism wears the functioning legal and executive authorities out, and other institutions also. Try to teach a class with a majority muslim kids about the holocaust, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, gay rights and tolerance, that's going to be a very difficult lesson and in the evening you have to answer to the parents and other family members. It's a constant fight and you can't expect teachers or other parents to keep that up all the time and they don't. Many very progressive 'welcome refugees' parents are giving up, the school is not the multicultural paradise they envisioned, but dominated by a multicultural group that tells their kids they'll burn in hell, can't eat porc on their sandwiches and boys and girls can't touch. When it comes to their own kids they're suddenly forced to face the reality of islam in Europe and change schools.
There's a lot more to be rationally and reasonably scared of than a muslim majority democratically imposing the sharia.
You have the same ideology as the Christchurch shooter and people like yourself and Islamic extremists feed off each other, and innocent Muslims and non religious are stuck right in the middle of it.
Those are their laws. At least they have the guts to condemn someone who's outside the law both theirs and those of the west instead of just seeing the religion.
I see you are in a jolly mood again. Who's potentially dangerous?Also potentially dangerous
Based on the answer, I'll decide if I report you.
Wow, people are even making excuses for Saudi-Arabia now, one of the most evil regimes in the world. That tells me everything I need to know about you, ThatsGreat.
"Those are their laws"? Are you for real?
This doesn't make sense. You'd see how ridiculous it was if you tried to apply the same logic to other communities and groups.
Excellent point.
If you don’t like the look that’s an endorsement. Cheers!
I was born a Muslim. I'm not practicing but my family is. They are good people. And not responsible for what murderers do.
Legally I've never had that charge of accessory to murder put on me, so thankful your dumb opinion on my culpability stays with you.
I don't promote values like that. The religion that my friends and family practice isn't a death cult. I've challenged people I know when we have disagreements on social issues, but the one common thread even amongst the most religious of my friends/family I've never encountered is justification of violence. I'm teaching progressive values of tolerance etc to my youngest daughter and my wife wants her to be brought up a Muslim, I don't see those two things as antithetical.
You should be able to tell from some of the reactions of what you said in here how nonsensical your point of view is. You won't though.
Secular and rationalist spaces have mollycoddled dumb views about religious people and religions for ages now in online discourse so those views are embellished. I see it and hear it in ex-Muslim spaces. Zero introspection, insight or sense and yet lecturing others on rationality.
It’s a joke. Get over yourself!
Car crash of a post. Is the bolded actually based on anything other than bigoted opinion?
There is.
Antisemitism being one of the most notable, but you chose not to mention it as it doesn't fit in with your post. Where these religions you mention are a minority you'll find examples of varying severity , of discrimination against them. If you had cared to actually look.
I don't think the left defend Muslims because they think they identify with them or will, but rather out of the principal of standing with the minorities and weaker in society. Unlike the right wing that always seems to be galvanized by hatred of a minority.
That, again, is just your opinion.
wow
Perfect post, agreed on basically everything.
You say its nonsensical but there seems to be an awful lot of good people suggesting the west should just stop drawing cartoons if they don't want to be beheaded. This is taking the side of the murderers, supporting and justifying their actions. If only fractionally, its enough to justify the opinion.
There's good people in this thread suggesting these murders are the fault of Macron, the fault of Hebdo, etc.
This 'dumb' opinion is only going to become more and more widespread as western europe grows less tollerent of religion
And of course, Saudi Arabia condemning Turkey has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Sauds being concerned about Erdogan becoming one of the most influential members in the Islam world.
France needs the moderate and educated Muslims to shout down the Muslims that condone these attacks or try to deflect from condemning them by pulling out the old islamophobia, racism, imperialism, cards.
As soon as these loons surface they should be bombarded so to speak with logic and reason until they get the message.
If not, the French in particular are going to continue to have a problem.
As soon as these loons surface they should be bombarded so to speak with logic and reason until they get the message.
If not, the French in particular are going to continue to have a problem.
Anyone really blaming those barbaric murders on C.Hebdo or Macron or even trying to relativize them, needs to get their head checked. Clearly something wrong with them.
So you actually meant to mock Muslim posters on here as being a potential threat to society. Thanks for clarifying, I've reported it.
And they’d rather deflect than step back, take pause and really dig deep into what the issue is at heart here.
Absolutely not. It was a joke in the context of extremism. Have you not been reading this thread?
Anyway, you got your wish. Hopefully others don’t take offence to it and see it for what it was. A joke, even if it wasn’t a good one!
See this is my point.
Creating reactionary strawmen does not help the conversation.
There will be crazy people justifying the murderer's action. Most of the mainstream Muslim organisations I know (and I cited the French one) condemned it.
What I think the issue is is the same post-Charlie Hebdo issue with the kind of Douglas Murray thinking about lets have everybody drawing cartoons and outlaw any criticism of said publication.
Muslims have every right to say we're offended by that. Much in the same way veterans would say they might be offended if somebody en masse burned poppies to make some point. Publishing cartoons does not make a subversive anti-theist, pro-speech point. Its purpose is to cause a clash of civilisation that many are desperate for.
Saying that, if somebody was to publish them, I don't think there is any justification that any violent action should happen to said people, and I think that would be the view of a lot of British Muslims. You'll have voices there blaming Macron, Hebdo for the murders, thats wrong. But you'll have people who don't like those cartoons being printed, the conflation of the latter as being extremist is unfactual and counterproductive.
The problem is that being anti-drawing isn't pro-violence. That nuance is lost though among the crowd demanding what Muslims should and should not do otherwise they are terrorist sympathisers.
I get some of your frustration though. Must be hard trying to get other people to come around to your anti-Muslim propaganda
There was a long time where the bullshit of Bridgette Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Douglas Murray went unchallenged. Barring some within the atheism plus movement who embraced intersectionality there wasn't a lot of pushback so it led to many brainworms. Its not original, I've heard it before. And so have other people. Very strange that some so-called freedom-loving, rational brains espouse the very same talking points that led to the Christchurch shootings and get annoyed when Muslims, even secular ones like myself dare to argue back.
I'm not living in the West on someone's charity, I was born in the UK. I have rights. You don't get to tell me terrorism is my fault or demand that its my responsibility to prevent crimes.
There was a long time where the bullshit of Bridgette Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Douglas Murray went unchallenged. Barring some within the atheism plus movement who embraced intersectionality there wasn't a lot of pushback so it led to many brainworms. Its not original, I've heard it before. And so have other people. Very strange that some so-called freedom-loving, rational brains espouse the very same talking points that led to the Christchurch shootings and get annoyed when Muslims, even secular ones like myself dare to argue back.
I'm not living in the West on someone's charity, I was born in the UK. I have rights. You don't get to tell me terrorism is my fault or demand that its my responsibility to prevent crimes.