Teacher beheaded near Paris after showing cartoons of Prophet Muhammad
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Can you please explain your thinking here, specifically the islamophobia part?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-knife-attack-at-french-church-idUSKBN27E17D
3 dead. 1 Woman beheaded.
This is on the Islamic countries that whipped up a storm following macrons stance against Islamic extremism.
People who get more worked up about Cartoons about a certain religion than beheadings in the name of the same religion need to check their priorities.
It's amazing how quickly and successfully some people can be brainwashed into brutally murdering innocent people. What makes this particularly scary is that you can't really blame it on 'war' or 'peer pressure'.
Absolutely sickening
Erdogan better go hide in some cellar now.
They would rather keep the subtle threat of violent retaliation than condemn it. Can’t see how this can be resolved, it’s only going to get worse.
When you give up on reason and logic and choose to 'believe' instead then all bets are off. As long as religion is around people will do crazy things in its name.
The details of this particular are horrendous. This is gonna get a lot worse 
Interesting quote from the mayor of nice. Not sure what it means? ‘This is war’ maybe?
“Enough is enough,” Estrosi said. “It’s time now for France to exonerate itself from the laws of peace in order to definitively wipe out Islamo-fascism from our territory.”
“Enough is enough,” Estrosi said. “It’s time now for France to exonerate itself from the laws of peace in order to definitively wipe out Islamo-fascism from our territory.”
Horrific. Absolutely sick reading this.
Good luck with that. He'll pin it on Macron riling up devout Muslims which caused a few people with screws loose to go overboard.
Have to say i agree, when i seen yesterday all those anti France protests around the world i seen this coming.
The Islamic world needs to have a serious think about how not to react so extremely to things.
When the teacher was brutally murdered I thought it might've an opportunity for a lot of people/groups within Islam to enter a process of some self reflection and think about what can be done to stamp out this mindless extremism. But sadly it went the other way now it’s lead to another sickening attack.
Cartoons drawn about prophets raises peoples anger. God is the greatest shouted before murder.
They then say that this is nothing on the religion. That's just delusional.
They then say that this is nothing on the religion. That's just delusional.
I understand it's very likely to be human nature to dislike people who have caused misery against your fellow workers. Easier said than done, I admit. However, there's a certain thought instilled into our brains called reasoning. We do not go around hating, disliking or being Islamophobic due to the monstrosity of certain individuals.Not seen it, but regardless, haven't they got a pretty damn good reason to be Islamophobic?
I’m not sure what the end game is here. Hundreds of French civilians have died just in the last few years alone. What’s it going to take to stop this?
Crazy.
Presumably the rest of Europe is watching to see how this shakes out as they could be next in line.
Crazy.
Presumably the rest of Europe is watching to see how this shakes out as they could be next in line.
Btw. I haven’t seen anything yet wrt to what was so blatant anti Islam about the erdogan cartoon. Did that poster just disappear?
Religious fanatics suck. Can we at least agree on that part?
Saying all religion is bad because of it makes no sense, but saying it has nothing to do with religion makes even less sense if you ask me. Misguided followers of a religion, sure, but religious nonetheless.
Beheadings, feck me.
Saying all religion is bad because of it makes no sense, but saying it has nothing to do with religion makes even less sense if you ask me. Misguided followers of a religion, sure, but religious nonetheless.
Beheadings, feck me.
Quickly? It's 12 centuries of brainwashing.
So they're recruiting vampires now?
How long as this beheading in the streets of western countries been going on?
This might provoke a French govmnt backlash. What form that takes is a doubt and tbh I’m not sure what the best thing to do is.
If they give in its curtains.
If they lash out more French will die, at least in the short term.
Do they have the stomach to deal with this?
If they give in its curtains.
If they lash out more French will die, at least in the short term.
Do they have the stomach to deal with this?
It makes perfect sense. Religion is mainly about population control.
Former Charlie Hebdo staff member on Islamic fascism and the term islamphobia.
This is ultimately about a very small minority of Muslims and the ruling elite in France wanting to win this so-called argument of freedom of speech and censorship with the combination of murder, toughness, insensitivity, intolerance, and triumphalism. Basically, both sides are just out to prove my dick is bigger than yours. Sadly, this doesn't end well for anybody.
I think that comparison is a little bit unfair, Sultan. You're comparing fundamentalists who kill innocent people with... what? Bad politicians? This is both-sides-ism worthy of Trump.
I think you're so far off here and it's surprising to see. There's always a balance to everything in life but one side is certainly showing insensitivity, intolerance and murder. The other isn't.
Also a culture is not defined only by a ruling elite.
Fair enough Sults.
If the French let this one go then what’s the next issue they’ll have to deal with?
It got me thinking about other countries and specifically the UK and how they’d deal with this.
What’s the solution?
If the French let this one go then what’s the next issue they’ll have to deal with?
It got me thinking about other countries and specifically the UK and how they’d deal with this.
What’s the solution?
We Muslims have rent-free space in @Shamana head.
This is quite a bad post.
It's not just France either. We've just had an islamic terror attack in Germany in which a Syrian refugee stabbed two tourists (one of them subsequently died), allegedly motivated by homophobia.
Weird, don't recall Erdogan being as verbal on the plight of the Uighurs in China. Even with some reports claiming he has extradited Uighurs back to China. Macron speaking out about a terrorist attack gets a comment.
Nuance is hard in the face of such horrific atrocities but "both siding" a woman being decapitated in a church is borderline insane.
Nuance is hard in the face of such horrific atrocities but "both siding" a woman being decapitated in a church is borderline insane.
You're suggesting the brainwashing is very new and different? Same religion, same texts, same violence as for centuries.
Including the occupation of large parts of Europe many centuries ago? Otherwise at least for 15 years allthough not every beheading might have been fully completed.
What are the freedom of speech laws in france ? Is hate speech and inciting people also part of freedom of speech or not ?
Freedom of expression is enshrined in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. As for freedom of the press, it is enshrined in the law of 1881. But this freedom has limits: racism, anti-Semitism, racial hatred, and justification of terrorism are not opinions. They are offences.
@Abizzz @utdalltheway
Now you're conflating criticism (reasonable) with Islamophobia (unreasonable) which are different.
I may have got annoyed last night and articulated the point poorly but just like this mental degenerates target innocent people to carry out abhorrent acts, legit Islamophobia which is a lot more widespread and for some reason acceptable in society also ends up targeting a pretty large group of people who through no fault of their own get associated with the degenerates. People get attacked, made to feel like the other on the street and public transport, at work places and even affect job opportunities. But naawwww who wants to acknowledge that!! 2 billion backward cnuts need to sort their shit out grrrr!! Not in these words but its not even like you have to try read in-between the lines, it's fecking obvious.
Take issue with me losing my shit fair do's but if you use it to brush the broader point I was making then whatever.
I think I'll stay out of this thread, I was in here with patience and intent to try get a few of the forum Islamist experts to challenge their views but thats not what they want, they just want to use every moment and incident they can to continue to undermine good people and ultimately the faith of a quarter of humanity. Some of the stuff that the mods let fly round here blatantly encourages ignorance and bigoted ideas, if it was the Jews or any other group it would get called out but cos its Islam its 'criticism even if the logic is absolutely moronic. The double standards and hypocrisy is insane.
Don't know why I even bother.
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