True, but I think this one is already a signed deal.
Tanguy Ndombele | Signed For Spurs
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True, but I think this one is already a signed deal.
What a load of rubbish. Coming with Glastonesque comment and then accusing others about being overly sensitive/defensive.Funny how players think about recent past and somehow think Spurs are better placed to win trophies when the last time they won was when the players were in their diapers and we are talking about league cup. Last time when Spurs won any meaningful trophy, these players were in their father's ballsack.
Also this is transfer forum, people always say "we should have signed him" for any player, including players who signed for Juventus, Madrid. If that is so offensive then you should stick to fightingcock forum.
Also well done with strawman arguments. Nowhere I said we are better placed than Spurs, we have lot of work to do but you post as if we are talking about player who is about to sign for Barca. At least coming from Liverpool, City fans it's fine, even Chelsea is fine going by what they won in last 5-6 years, but it's Spurs, club which won feck all.
The club have got to have contingencies lined up in the event that players do leave. It's the same reason we've apparently got deals agreed with Ben Yedder and or Dembele in the event Lukaku leaves
Erm hows that? UCL final aside you haven't competed for anything better than us. PL? Nope. FA Cup? The last time you were in the Semi Final of that we were the ones that beat you. League Cup? Ok I guess you did make the SF's last season whereas we didn't but the so called lesser of all domestic trophies is hardly going to swing anything when trying to convince a player to sign for you ahead of someone else
Sorry Squish but ?
You've not won anything in donkeys years, getting to the champions league final doesn't change that.
Cup runs are what they are, there's an element of random chance, there's nothing to say you'll get close to the final anytime soon.
Since Ferguson you haven't better competed for trophies, or 'top trophies' which to me is a weird concept anyway.
I don't think we'd just be able to take Ndombele off you if there's any truth in the signing, I don't think that would've been the case under Ferguson anyway, transfers aren't as simple as that.
But I do have to ask, what 'top
trophies do you have a better chance of winning than us? The league? Nope. The champions league? If you can repeat your feat from last season but even that's very unlikely.
Truth be told I'd argue neither of us are winning the league or champions league anytime soon, Iregardless of who gets Ndombele.
Funny how players think about recent past and somehow think Spurs are better placed to win trophies when the last time they won was when the players were in their diapers and we are talking about league cup. Last time when Spurs won any meaningful trophy, these players were in their father's ballsack.
Also this is transfer forum, people always say "we should have signed him" for any player, including players who signed for Juventus, Madrid. If that is so offensive then you should stick to fightingcock forum.
Also well done with strawman arguments. Nowhere I said we are better placed than Spurs, we have lot of work to do but you post as if we are talking about player who is about to sign for Barca. At least coming from Liverpool, City fans it's fine, even Chelsea is fine going by what they won in last 5-6 years, but it's Spurs, club which won feck all.
Oh waaaa did I say you're in the EL next season? How horrible and glastonesque of me. It was a joke in response to people constantly saying they couldn't believe you hadn't taken him off us.
Who cares? The last time Liverpool won a meaningful trophy most of these players would have been kids as well, then they got to a CL final and won it, and now they're one of the best teams in the world.
And that's all stupid as well, and I hate it from Spurs fans. The whole 'we should have got him' when you have no idea whether it was even possible is absurd. You have no idea whether United did enquire for Ndombele, or whether he just doesn't fit your plans.
He's not signing for Barca, but he's signing for a club who are pretty attractive to players in that age bracket who want to develop, for a number of reasons.
I sure hope so.
PL? Yep. We may not have gotten that close but we finished far closer to Leicester/Chelsea than you did to City. Those two 'title challenges' might have been crap ones, but they were better than anything United have put up since Fergie left. FA cup isn't a major trophy, neither the FA/league cup is swinging anything.
And reaching the UCL final is a pretty big deal. If you look at all the recent finalists, they've all gone on to do big things or are consistent trophy winners. It's pretty rare that a team will just fluke it all the way to the final.
Let's be honest... If any European club matched the offer on the table and offered another £40-50k a week that's the club he'd be at next season. Even £10k I'd argue.
I don't think it'll happen though as I can't see him and Pogba in the same team particularly. I imagine he's our option if Madrid put up £150m for Pogba (also unlikely).
I don't think it'll happen though as I can't see him and Pogba in the same team particularly. I imagine he's our option if Madrid put up £150m for Pogba (also unlikely).
So not sure why you are so worked up on that, when there are many fans who barely follow any news and think we should sign player xyz.
No you didn't say we are in EL next season, you said EL for 2 seasons running, that's when I asked are the results for next season out?
If you are comparing to Liverpool then they were not in CL 2 seasons ago and now one of the best teams in the world, that itself shows how quickly everything changes in football. So "if only player dreams about Europa league" is as laughable as others saying "we should sign him ahead of Spurs".
Oh please you call finishing closer to inferior sides an achievement? Spurs have never once been title contenders in the 20+ years the PL has been running
As for the UCL you're right it is pretty rare a team will just fluke it all the way to the final and yet that's what Spurs did or at least the reality is a lot closer to that than Spurs are about to become a domestic force and challenge City or Liverpool. As proved in the final Spurs are no where near Liverpool
Yes we have. We've reached a CL final and weren't miles behind Chelsea in 16/17, it was a rubbish title challenge but it's more than anything United have put up since Fergie.
I'd say we absolutely have a better chance of winning the league than you next season. Still tiny because of city/liverpool but we're more likely than United to make that step up based on recent history. And a team who reaches the final last season of the CL is well placed to go on and do well.
I think you're right that neither of us are winning the league/cl anytime soon, but if I had to pick between one of us it would be us. You might surprise everyone and suddenly get your act together as a club but you've been massively under-performing for a while now. And the instability at United isn't a great draw for young, talented players.
I'm not worked up .. I made a jokey EL comment about it, which you got worked up about.
I didn't say you would finish in the EL next season, I said there's a good chance that could happen with the current competitive nature of the top four and the situation you're in. That would be a big risk for a player like Ndombele going on to be 24/25 without having the chance to shine in the CL for a couple of seasons.
That's true, and of course anything could happen with United. But you're not exactly a safe bet to thrive in the next 3/4 seasons and hence why I think players like Ndombele would think twice before signing for you.
Oh please you call finishing closer to inferior sides an achievement? Spurs have never once been title contenders in the 20+ years the PL has been running
As for the UCL you're right it is pretty rare a team will just fluke it all the way to the final and yet that's what Spurs did or at least the reality is a lot closer to that than Spurs are about to become a domestic force and challenge City or Liverpool. As proved in the final Spurs are no where near Liverpool
I call it the semblance of a title challenge. Shit ones, and no .. not an 'achievement', but you wanted examples of us challenging more than you recently for top titles.
We didn't fluke shit. We put away Dortmund 4-0 and were a good match for City/Ajax, both ties could have gone either way but it wasn't Chelseaesque where we fluked the games.
And the final was a very closely matched game where a stupid moment from Sissoko put them in the driving seat.
Squish I can't take your champions league final away from you, but if we're going to discuss seasons in which most spurs fans couldn't wait to less us you were never in the title race anyway then I can't take you seriously.
The Chelsea season you were never winning it, and when Leicester won the league didn't Arsenal sneak past you on the last day?
If we're being honest neither of us has a chance of winning the league next season. We both have busted up squads in need of serious work, and I don't think either of our boards has the ambition to get us challenging next season.
The thing with United is we'll always be an attractive option to young, talented players. It was the same at Liverpool when they hadn't won anything in a long time.
Like I say, getting to the final of the champions league is great, but doing it whilst sneaking into the top 4 purely down to us and Arsenal being poor doesn't paint this picture of a team ready to make a great step up.
Liverpool did it after getting to the final, but they spent big, big money, I just can't see Tottenham doing that, as much as I wish you would.
And you failed to provide one. You finishing closer to Leicester and Chelsea is by no means comparable to how far we finished behind City. Remind me how far you finished behind City that very same season?
As for the UCL like I said the reality is it's closer to a fluke you getting there than you being on the cusp of domestic dominance
There is a good chance Spurs will be back to their normal level, Spurs winning a KO tie in CL is a rarity, not something that happens every year. Last season was your first KO win in many years, so save the "having chance to shine in CL" nonsense.
I believe it's too late for imagining any such thing and that the option no longer exists … assuming it ever existed in the first place.
But we got closer to the title than you did, right? I get that it's not a fair comparison to the year City won the league, 100%. But the fact is we were still closer to challenging for the title, yes that was because other teams were weaker than they are right now but that doesn't change the fact that in the last 5 years or so we've come closer than United have. It's not something to shout about, admittedly.
I don't think we're on the cusp of domestic dominance, but I do think if we bring in Ndombele and a couple of other signings we'll be best placed if Liverpool/City have an off year, which is all anyone can hope for right now.
There is a good chance Spurs will be back to their normal level, Spurs winning a KO tie in CL is a rarity, not something that happens every year. Last season was your first KO win in many years, so save the "having chance to shine in CL" nonsense.
Indeed wasn't last season Spurs' very first QF let alone getting to the final? If you want to talk history (which the Spurs fans love to do) history says last season was a freak
There is a good chance Spurs will be back to their normal level, Spurs winning a KO tie in CL is a rarity, not something that happens every year. Last season was your first KO win in many years, so save the "having chance to shine in CL" nonsense.
That comment means that we're a better bet for CL football. It literally says 'we're a better bet' to make the CL next season. Obviously United could do it.
Teams don't generally fluke it to CL finals, that's rare. The season before we topped a group ahead of the team who won it and went out on the narrowest of margins to an excellent Juve side who we were unlucky to draw in the first round.
And yet you are?
The short man syndrome is strong in this thread.
No, we got to the QF under Redknapp.
And since when do Spurs fans love to talk about history?
Exactly. Also they were favorites to end up in Europa league in last group game, Inter just fecked up at home against PSV. Before that Spurs won 1 tie in Europa league and that's their only win in 8=9 years.
No .. I'm saying that we're in a more stable position to challenge for honours than the current United side, and have been for a little while. Post-Fergie you've been in a very tumultuous position and aren't the best bet for upcoming young talents who will want to work under a consistent system.
You're literally using recent history to suggest who is the better placed side for a player
I stand corrected on the QF point though
What I say is hardly indicative of what all Spurs fans love. Our history for the last 10-15 years is mostly shit, you won't hear many of us shouting about it.
The last 4-5 years of 'recent history yeah, I think shows we're in a better place as a club than United.
Being in a more stable position is different to having been closer to challenging for major trophies (plural) which is the point I responded to. Unfortunately last seasons UCL aside for all your stability Spurs haven't challenged for other major trophies any better than we have despite our instability.
You could say the same about Liverpool as well, Napoli missed a sitter in extra time that would have knocked them out. We were overall unlucky to be in the situation we were in before the last group game in my view.
And what exactly did " I doubt Ndombele will want to be playing 2 seasons in a row of Europa League" mean then?
Also going by the last 5-6 years, in which Spurs in 1 KO tie (in Europa league vs Fiorentina), I would assume last season was special and not something that's regular occurrence.
Glaston also loves to throw out the recent history anecdotes as well so you're not alone
It's amazing how - just at the point when it's become clear that Ndombele will be playing for Spurs next season - an argument breaks out over how Spurs just "fluked" their way to the CL final.
God forbid we sign any more players coveted by United fans, or else "Spurs-will-crash-and-burn" posts will come churning out by the zillion.
God forbid we sign any more players coveted by United fans, or else "Spurs-will-crash-and-burn" posts will come churning out by the zillion.
"We signed player coveted by United fans" trophy is being placed in the trophy cabinet.
You're ignoring the sentence that came before it. The point was we're a better bet for CL next season than you, and the risk would be playing EL two seasons in a row.
Maybe, but we were good in the competition the year before but met an excellent Juve side in the first round. Had a very close tie with them, the signs were there that we're a dangerous side in Europe.
No what was said is that Spurs reaching a CL final is more on the scale of it being a fluke than them being on the cusp for domestic dominance
For what it's worth though, a goal away from being knocked out of the group stage, a few inches from being knocked out of the QF's and 30 seconds away from being knocked out of the SF's so you know...
Is Ndombele actually any good? I really have no idea, is he attacking/defensive?
If you do sign him you'll have to hope he takes the step up because your midfield struggled last season.
He's a box to box midfielder very much in the same vein as Dembele and Sissoko. Probably better than both of them but hardly the player who's going to transform Spurs into title contenders
On the scale of it being a fluke, but not a fluke … I see.
My point, however, concerned the timing of such posts.
Signs were there too that you would have been in Europa league had Inter didn't feck up against PSV at home in the last game.
I didn't ignore anything, what you said was very clear.
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